Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,569
    edited April 2009
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    It is a wonderful hobby, so what is the point of a $500 power cable with no, or at most questionable improvement to our audio listening pleasure? The only person who gains is the seller of such a product.

    Using your logic, the Bose Wave radio would be the height of audio reproduction. :rolleyes:
    Now you can learn to organize your ignorance.

    Hilarious, coming from the queen of ignorance.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,569
    edited April 2009
    The frequency domain of audio electronic circuits are well understood and predictable.

    So Peter, are you saying that one can predict how a piece of audio gear is going to sound mearly by the frequency domain of audio electronic circuits?
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,569
    edited April 2009
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    Hmm who brought the subject up in this post first?
    Dont bring it up and cry about it later my friend.

    Geez, are you really THAT stupid!?! Rhetorical question.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited April 2009
    I have unsubscribed from this thread because it has gotten venomously repetitious and thus the entertainment value is now equal to the information value, which is zero.

    I have also upgraded the status of certain naysayer cultists in order to provide a more efficient forum viewing experience.

    Carry on.
    Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited April 2009
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    . They will believe anything!

    I believe what I hear................you should try it sometime. You might actually get some enjoyment out of this hobby if you actually took the time to experience things for yourself. Myself, I agree with many on here not because they say so.........but because I have experienced the differences myself.

    I just had some very, very expensive cables here for demo (I/C's and speaker cables) retail around $1700 or more. I have cables that cost about $700 or so when new and are about 6-7 years old.

    Guess what???? I preferred the lesser expensive older cables in my system. According to part of the logic of your naysayer cult I should have preferred the more expensive cables because they cost more.

    You are really, really dense.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited April 2009
    DarqueKnight wrote:
    I have also upgraded the status of certain naysayer cultists in order to provide a more efficient forum viewing experience.

    Carry on.

    What took you so long? The only problem I have is when some posters use the quote feature when responding to the trolls. It negates the usefulness of the IL somewhat. (note: I did a double blind test and I can quantitatively measure the decreased value of the IL at 76.43879% - I will be publishing a paper in the near future).
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited April 2009
    One question before I abandon this thread...has anyone ever defined a Spearker? I looked, but I may have missed it. Of course one of the IL posters could have tried to define it and I would have not seen it unless they were quoted...although in those cases I try to go into manual IL mode.
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    I am still waiting for the Xster to say something intelligent... Anything inteligent...
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,788
    edited April 2009
    Don't hold your breath, Ben.
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited April 2009
    ? of the day.....


    How many dicks can post in one thread?
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    OK we give you actually hands on experience, and you search the internet for data that "supports" your argument.
    Still waiting...

    Edit: Trust your ears fool
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
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    Ben
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  • a1adjz
    a1adjz Posts: 32
    edited April 2009
    I am new to all this but, I will say this about IC's and speaker cables. I was a nay sayer about the topic before I took some advice from some of the senior members of this forum and I am so glad I did. I originally had very inexpensive cables. I then moved to AQ DB's and ended up with KC's . I started with AQ type 4 and moved up to Gibraltar and the differences were very apperent to me. The overall sound was smoother and much less fatigueing to listen to as opposed to the other cables. I may not be an engineer however, I am a critical listener and I could appreciate the differences. I didn't pay a huge amount for my cables, I bought them used from friends and other members.
    Main theater : Pan 54 G10, Onkyo 805, UPA 7, Carver TFM 45, Sony BDP 350, Polk SDA 2 s, Polk CSi A6, Polk RTi4 (X 4 ), Velo CHT 10 (X 2), APC H15.

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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited April 2009
    I love it how, because Polk decided to place labels for post count, the noobs seem to believe they are, in fact, true.:rolleyes:
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
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  • Hillbilly61
    Hillbilly61 Posts: 702
    edited April 2009
    ND13 wrote: »
    I love it how, because Polk decided to place labels for post count, the noobs seem to believe they are, in fact, true.:rolleyes:

    Hey, hey, hey! Postwise, I'm a n00b and I've seen a lot of dumb **** said by high post count CP members. :eek: As a n00b, I have license to say dumb ****, take a know it all stance on all issues and generally be obnoxious! :p
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited April 2009
    Okay, Okay, the Noobs that seem to believe that post count matters....BETTER!!!

    Plus I saw your post, so that should tell you that you're not on my ignore list.

    I like Hillbillies.
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
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  • bikezappa
    bikezappa Posts: 2,463
    edited April 2009
    F1nut wrote: »
    So Peter, are you saying that one can predict how a piece of audio gear is going to sound mearly by the frequency domain of audio electronic circuits?

    No I'm not.

    The sound in the room is caused by mechanically moving air.

    There is an electrical to mechanical transfer of energy that is always problematic at best. Grin.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    OK great minds. Here is a fun example. I'll list it so it doesn't confuse simple folk.

    Two speakers(with me so far?Good.)

    Both are very accurate to +-1db from 35hz-20khz

    One set of speakers has aluminum drivers, and the second set has paper and textile drivers(still simple enough?).

    OK I will restate that both sets of speakers have the same exact frequency response(still with me here?).

    Please tell me that both speakers sound identical because of scientific data they measure exactly alike.

    OK please go slap and sterilize yourself.
    Thanks again for some of the infinite wisdom posted by great minds.
    You guys are just too damn easy. ROTFL
    Ben

    Again something intelligent please.
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
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    Ben
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  • Terra S
    Terra S Posts: 74
    edited April 2009
    ben62670 wrote: »
    OK please go slap and sterilize yourself.
    Thanks again for some of the infinite wisdom posted by great minds.
    You guys are just too damn easy. ROTFL
    Ben

    Again something intelligent please.

    It's rather entertaining reading all the "non" intelligent comments! :rolleyes:
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  • Erik Tracy
    Erik Tracy Posts: 4,673
    edited April 2009
    Terra S wrote: »
    It's rather entertaining reading all the "non" intelligent comments! :rolleyes:


    Yeah...from both sides...;)

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    Terra S wrote: »
    It's rather entertaining reading all the "non" intelligent comments! :rolleyes:

    OK please entertain some of your wisdom here.
    Thanks
    Ben
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    Please reply I am so anticipating responses.
    Ben
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
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  • tcrossma
    tcrossma Posts: 1,301
    edited April 2009
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    What is Polk Audio's official position on this? With all their engineering expertise in audio equipment, would they recommend this as an upgrade for their products? I would like to see the peanut gallery stay quiet and allow for some intelligent discourse on this.

    I'm pretty they have a position to some degree, since this is from their Support / FAQ page:

    http://www.polkaudio.com/education/showanswer.php?question_num=80

    A quote:
    Your choice of wire can effect the sound quality of your system and we recommend better-quality branded wire such as Monster Cable, Kimber Kable, AudioQuest or the like.
    We recommend that you get stranded cable that is specifically designed for use with speakers, not just lamp cord or (heaven forbid) telephone wire.

    I read this as: Not all wire is created equal and it does matter what you get.
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited April 2009
    tcrossma wrote: »
    I'm pretty they have a position to some degree, since this is from their Support / FAQ page:

    http://www.polkaudio.com/education/showanswer.php?question_num=80

    A quote:





    I read this as: Not all wire is created equal and it does matter what you get.


    I can't believe they put Monster Cable in there! I personally don't care much for the way the Monster cables sound.
    madmax
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  • Hillbilly61
    Hillbilly61 Posts: 702
    edited April 2009
    Face wrote: »
    Cable advice from xcapri is like getting sex advice from a 40 year old virgin.


    Oh, come on! Maybe, it is more like having sex with a 40 year old who likes to have sex. It may be personally meaningless, but when it is happening it is still good! Give Xcapri a break (provided he/she does not get baited into a troll circle jerk).
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    I am still waiting...
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited April 2009
    tcrossma wrote: »
    I'm pretty they have a position to some degree, since this is from their Support / FAQ page:

    http://www.polkaudio.com/education/showanswer.php?question_num=80

    Good catch.

    I can't wait to see the trolls response to this.:rolleyes:

    I'm sure they'll find some way to frame it as a conspiracy...Polk getting paid off by the cable companies they mentioned or something to that effect...lol
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,775
    edited April 2009
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Imagine what differences can be heard with even better cable on even better resolving systems.

    So it is just your imagination.;)
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,775
    edited April 2009
    tcrossma wrote: »
    I'm pretty they have a position to some degree, since this is from their Support / FAQ page:

    http://www.polkaudio.com/education/showanswer.php?question_num=80

    I read this as: Not all wire is created equal and it does matter what you get.

    Or if you read the article X linked to above, you might read it another way. A quote from the article:
    Polk Audio, a well respected manufacturer of loudspeakers in Baltimore, no longer makes cables but declined an invitation to set up a listening test in its laboratories. One reason it gave was that the test could affect relationships with audio stores. "We would be hearing from every retailer in the country," said Paul Dicomo, communications director for Polk Audio.

    They don't want to piss off their dealers.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    Still waiting...
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,775
    edited April 2009
    ben62670 wrote: »
    I am still waiting...

    For what? Why don't you list these identical measuring speakers? But we will need more information. Do they measure the same at all volume levels? Same on axis and off? Same dispersion characteristics? Same distortion levels at all volumes?
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