Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

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  • bikezappa
    bikezappa Posts: 2,463
    edited April 2009
    DarqueKnight wrote: »
    Guys, I know that eradicating the scourge of premium power cables from the world is a worthwhile cause, but this is a speaker cable thread.

    Are you naysayer cultists so desperate for attention that you have to try to promote your agenda in every thread?:confused:

    So sad.

    It's sad that you won't use you EE background to help people not to buy equipment based on **** science.

    Should I comment on your fuse thread?

    More name calling.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    bikezappa wrote: »
    Thanks for the logical support in a world of **** science.

    You know I have read a bit about the placebo effect and have found that the suger pills in some cases actually change the body chemistry sometimes. It seems that the mind can change the chemistry of the body. Or maybe the mind and the body are one in the same. I hope that isn't consisdered religious.

    I can ceratinly iunderstand paying $500 for a line cord and feeling good about it and and enjoying music more with it.

    I would not feel good about spending $500 on a power cord when I am raising two girls with a very limited income, but I am not so brass anymore to dismiss what others have tried because I am jealous that I can't afford a very high resolution setup. I will however reiterate(I don't know why I bother) that a Ferrari v12 dropped in a pinto doesn't make sense.
    Rock on Seafart Jr. BTW I drink McDonald's coffee on the run opposed to Star Bucks, because the extra coin is not in my budget for the minimal gain.
    Ben
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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited April 2009
    bikezappa wrote: »
    Should I comment on your fuse thread?


    Damn, man....say whatever you want to say about anything I've written. I don't care.

    I'm just asking you and your power cable hater goons to take it to a more appropriate thread or start your own PC hater thread.

    Is that not a reasonable request?
    Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country!
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    At least I did. Thank me! Now back to listing to some music on my inferior SC-07 and Polk Monitor 70's.

    I feel real bad for your employer:(
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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited April 2009
    bikezappa wrote: »
    It's sad that you won't use you EE background to help people not to buy equipment based on **** science.

    There's no fun in that.

    However, xcapri79 says he is an EE. Why don't you guys team up and save the world from the Corrupt Conspiratorial Cable Cartel? I'll sell one of my power cables and send you the proceeds to go towards the purchase of your superhero costumes. Honest.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,398
    edited April 2009
    HA....HA....HA....HE......HE.....LOL

    Cable naysayers are such a funny bunch. I think I'm getting more entertainment in the last 20 or posts than in the beginning. The more absurd the naysaying arguments are the higher the entertainment value. Too bad I'm going out tonight..........I'll catch up later this evening.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    heiney9 wrote: »
    HA....HA....HA....HE......HE.....LOL

    Cable naysayers are such a funny bunch. I think I'm getting more entertainment in the last 20 or posts than in the beginning. The more absurd the naysaying arguments are the higher the entertainment value. Too bad I'm going out tonight..........I'll catch up later this evening.

    I am disappointed at you finding entertainment in ignorance:(
    Have fun Bro. Stay safe.
    Ben
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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited April 2009
    I'm going out tonight also.

    But H9 and Ben, would you guys give a little thought to a good name for a crime fighting team that's dedicated to eliminating the Corrupt Conspiratorial Cable Cartel (4C)?

    How about Kable Krusher and Sparky?
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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited April 2009
    ben62670 wrote: »
    I am disappointed at you finding entertainment in ignorance:(

    You're no fun anymore.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    DarqueKnight wrote: »
    I'm going out tonight also.

    But H9 and Ben, would you guys give a little thought to a good name for a crime fighting team that's dedicated to eliminating the Corrupt Conspiratorial Cable Cartel (4C)?

    How about Kable Krusher and Sparky?

    Eh. These guys don't need to be titled;)
    Take care DR. And many thanks for seeking documental proof on what you have heard. Guys like you are few and far between.
    Ben
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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited April 2009
    Good night Ben.

    Don't spend too much time ridin' that Bike and drivin' that old Capri.;)
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    DarqueKnight wrote: »
    Good night Ben.

    Don't spend too much time ridin' that Bike and drivin' that old Capri.;)

    Na. I am going to watch a movie with the kids. When you go out to eat please don't let the waiter tell you that two dishes will taste the same do to calories, temp, and fat content being the same:p

    Take care:)
    Ben
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  • seafire
    seafire Posts: 459
    edited April 2009
    Good evening all.I also have been out tonight.Just got back and there were 2 pages extra!.DK I really was genuine with my questions.Thank you for your reply but gee wizz already keep it calm!! :D.I now realize that your speaks have been updated all along.With regards to your hearing I never said it was inferior just maybe different.Again thank you for your reply!.Having consumed a couple of alcoholic toots tonight I can honestly say...this thread still rules :D.In this plain old boring day of age nothing better than some different opinions.I would say I am 50% convinced.Still I mantain that I can get close too or equal to the same results with home engineering.But hey that's just my take on the situation.KEEP ON TRUCKING YE ALL ;););)
    ps I said that DK was meticulous with his replies :)
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  • polkie4life
    polkie4life Posts: 231
    edited April 2009
    seafire wrote: »
    Good evening all.I also have been out tonight.Just got back and there were 2 pages extra!.DK I really was genuine with my questions.Thank you for your reply but gee wizz already keep it calm!! :D.I now realize that your speaks have been updated all along.With regards to your hearing I never said it was inferior just maybe different.Again thank you for your reply!.Having consumed a couple of alcoholic toots tonight I can honestly say...this thread still rules :D.In this plain old boring day of age nothing better than some different opinions.I would say I am 50% convinced.Still I mantain that I can get close too or equal to the same results with home engineering.But hey that's just my take on the situation.KEEP ON TRUCKING YE ALL ;););)
    ps I said that DK was meticulous with his replies :)

    Now we're talking. What sort of home engineering?
    In terms of audio, i truly feel sorry for the visually impaired. How can they know what they like if they cant read google?


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  • seafire
    seafire Posts: 459
    edited April 2009
    polkie4life wrote: »
    Now we're talking. What sort of home engineering?
    Playing with different cable setups etc.I am not even going to say the word/words :).Bottom line is that we are all in the same crazy hobby and the love for music.To each man his own ;););)
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  • polkie4life
    polkie4life Posts: 231
    edited April 2009
    seafire wrote: »
    Playing with different cable setups etc.I am not even going to say the word/words :).Bottom line is that we are all in the same crazy hobby and the love for music.To each man his own ;););)

    I've yet to try swapping out speaker cables but have played around with a couple of different I/C's between power amp and HT amp. I'm looking forward to trying different speaker cables and if the differences are as noticeable as with the interconnects it should be good. I'm not talking uber expensive cable swapping either, we're talking a'quest sidewinders and straightwire chorus....
    In terms of audio, i truly feel sorry for the visually impaired. How can they know what they like if they cant read google?


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  • Flash21
    Flash21 Posts: 316
    edited April 2009
    bikezappa wrote: »
    There is even a rule in science that states that you can never know the exact position and momentum of very small objects because the very act of measuring them distrubs them or changes them. This has no practical relationship to audio that I know of however. It realy states that some part of things are somewhat random and there maybe free will.
    Hey, a quantum physics reference, I've been waiting for that one... :p
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,796
    edited April 2009
    CoolJazz wrote: »
    This often quoted logic of a 100 miles (or whatever distance) of power line coming to your house is really, really silly and ignores basic facts!

    There is a power transformer just about right outside your house. It's a stepdown transformer. There are also other points in the grid where stepdown occurs. Noise and other disturbances are stepped down at that point, not to mention that the transformer naturally rolls off higher frequency information.

    And, very importantly, the transformer secondary presents a low impedance source to your home service. The closer you can keep yourself to that low impedance, the less noise you will have. Which is why circuit separation and load balance are important.

    So lower your "mileage" by about 99.99 miles and inject some common sense into your arguement!!

    Cool Jazz

    Just catching up here. Jazz Nailed it with this one. Sure there are variables in the transmission of primary power from station to drop point to TX. But it is at the Tx secondary that you have the best chance of picking up EMI, RF or any other of the wee-beasties that can plague clean power. The 120/240v that is in your house is even more vulnerable to interferance, microwave ovens, computers etc. Bad grounds in a circuit can cause problems! I, myself cannot hear the difference between a $100 PC and a $500 PC. But I can hear a difference between stock and some of the beeter quality aftermarket cords,IC's and speaker connects. My hearing starts to roll off around 10Khz.
    Do I SEE a difference from a bench test view of data? Sure. Do I HEAR anything better? Not really.
    Science this... Lemmings that... You're stupid for not buying the most expensive cable... You're stupid for doing so.... We can piss on each others boots all day long and never come to a solid, fact based, written in scripture end to this.
    We hear what we hear with what we have. If you don't like what you hear, change something. If it sounds better to you, love it.
    But don't expect everyone to agree with what you have found. Offer them the chance to try it and don't get upset if they don't like it.


    Trust your ears and just listen to the music...Music, the ORIGINAL reason why we're all here in the first place.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    DarqueKnight wrote: »
    I'm going out tonight also.

    But H9 and Ben, would you guys give a little thought to a good name for a crime fighting team that's dedicated to eliminating the Corrupt Conspiratorial Cable Cartel (4C)?

    How about Kable Krusher and Sparky?

    Well things just pop into my mind. I certainly didn't want to give any title to a troll, but it was just too easy. Well some hero's that have been around for a long time are the Xmen. Well X-Crap was just way too easy. Maybe X-crap can save the word of Higher end audio with some help from other HiFi audio insurgents?
    Hope your evening went well.
    Ben
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  • bikezappa
    bikezappa Posts: 2,463
    edited April 2009
    Nature bats last.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited April 2009
    RT1 said it best.
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    6 C's, Crusaders Combatting Corrupt Conspiratorial Cable Cartel has a ring to it.

    LOL. Yeah we are conspiring to get people to waste money on cables:rolleyes: Again ignorance at its best.
    Rock on.
    Ben
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    What is "our" agenda. Please continue to promote your blatant ignorance.
    Polk Audio stays out of cable debates. If you preach that you are a Republican, Christian, or other group you have then just alienated yourself from a large percentage of close minded people that will choose another product just because said person disagrees with what a company says about something that is debatable. Was that simple enough for you to understand?
    Thanks
    Ben
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    Please keep posting. You are a great source of laughs.
    Again many thanks
    Ben
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,398
    edited April 2009
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    I would like to see the peanut gallery stay quiet and allow for some intelligent discourse on this.

    So I guess we won't be hearing from you again for awhile. :rolleyes:
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    I am patiently waiting for X-crapper to post something intelligent. I have been waiting a long long long time. June 07 is how long I have been waiting for the Xster to post something intelligent, and still nothing:rolleyes:
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    He had to edit his posts how many times.:rolleyes:
    I think he is mad because he hasn't made any friends yet:(
    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/member.php?u=81019
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,796
    edited April 2009
    Keiko wrote: »
    You're going to be waiting for forever and a day Ben. Just a hypothesis, but I bet 79 Ford likes peanutbutter PIE. :rolleyes:

    I'll fire up the oven, Mike.
    Do you know if he likes whipped cream or not?
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    Keiko wrote: »
    You're going to be waiting for forever and a day Ben. Just a hypothesis, but I bet 79 Ford likes peanutbutter PIE. :rolleyes:

    OK maybe I was a little rough. I'll even make it a little easier.
    X-crappie please just say anything intelligent. It doesn't even have to pertain to audio if that helps.
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    Ben
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    lightman1 wrote: »
    I'll fire up the oven, Mike.
    Do you know if he likes whipped cream or not?

    Three stooges style:D
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