Roger Russell FOS or legit?

WilliamM2

Face wrote: »

Compared to what was known then...

He retired in 1992, long after those were designed. Apparently McIntosh never realized the mistake they made in hiring him.

Knucklehead

NJPOLKER wrote: »

I am not saying that everyone should have hi-fi cables. I am saying low-fi cable are perfect for some.

well said.

hearingimpared

NJPOLKER wrote: »

It's simple, he has none.
I'll tell you what. I would be skeptical if I had not heard for myself what cables can do for a system. Of course if you have a **** system a system of "whatever connections" would be sufficient.

I am not saying that everyone should have hi-fi cables. I am saying low-fi cable are perfect for some.

I tend to disagree Bro. I think if you have a half decent system better ICs and speaker cables will improve the sound over the crap cables & wire that comes with the gear.

hearingimpared

WilliamM2 wrote: »

He retired in 1992, long after those were designed. Apparently McIntosh never realized the mistake they made in hiring him.

What did he do, buff the cabinets?:D

DarqueKnight

hearingimpared wrote: »

Well I see you are eager to display your google experience. What about your cable experience.

NJPOLKER wrote: »

It's simple, he has none.

You guys are mean.:(

hearingimpared

DarqueKnight wrote: »

You guys are mean.:(

Let the truth be told!;)

hearingimpared

xcapri79 wrote: »

My Polk Audio LSi's sing beautifully using shielded RCA interconnects from Radio Shack and Lowes (made by GE) and Radio Shack 16AWG Cu speaker wire connected to wonderful Emotiva amps and Pioneer AVR's.
So what do you think of that!

Indeed. But why don't you try to get more out of your Emotiva amp and Pioneer AVR's and try some better wires. However my friend the above doesn't show experience with trying better wires.

xcapri79 wrote: »

Why do you take the Lord's name in vain during Christmas as your signature?

I finally agree with you on something!

F1nut

So what do you think of that!

Not much.

NJPOLKER

hearingimpared wrote: »

I tend to disagree Bro. I think if you have a half decent system better ICs and speaker cables will improve the sound over the crap cables & wire that comes with the gear.

OK, since you are being a pain in my **** I will explain in more detail. Either they or their systems can't tell the difference between
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?cablintr&1267147037&/MIT-Oracle-MA-X--Proline-balan and http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1152377/2/istockphoto_1152377_coat_hanger.jpg&imgrefurl=http://agonist.org/sean_paul_kelley/20091113/coathanger_petition&usg=__tXiNuSxgt2-Bd0QcSXjHfdQigYA=&h=253&w=380&sz=11&hl=en&start=13&tbnid=WXlGr-IpriJS3M:&tbnh=82&tbnw=123&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcoat%2Bhanger%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG
Does that make sense?

DarqueKnight wrote: »

You guys are mean.:(

I am a real mean guy
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Face

Hypocrite much?

http://www.ids25.com/literature.htm#Summary%20of%20Advantages%20of%20the%20IDS-25

halo71

ding ding....is this round two in the cable debate? I mean, I am still new to CP. Maybe its round 4, 5, 6 ?

I gotta say that link made for an interesting read.

hearingimpared

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Nailed . . . and Cardas wire to boot!

NJPOLKER

xcapri79 wrote: »

My Polk Audio LSi's sing beautifully using shielded RCA interconnects from Radio Shack and Lowes (made by GE), and Radio Shack 16AWG Cu speaker wire connected to wonderful Emotiva amps and Pioneer AVR's.
This is consistent with the recommendations from Polk Audio and Roger Russell.
So what do you think of that!




Why do you take the Lord's name in vain as your signature and why in particular during Christmas?

Capri,
I don't know you nor do I have anything against you. I am trying to help you find another level of enjoyment in your listening experience.

Now I can easily see why you have taken the stance you have. Your system and your ears probably could not tell the difference between Hi-Fi connections and Low-Fi connections.

My suggestion to you is to work a little harder and/or smarter so you can save some money to play with the big boys. Then when you graduate to HI-Fi connections you will have a leg to stand on.

This advice applies to William and the other guys who just don't get it. Some guys just never get it and for whatever reason never will. Thats sad for them because deep down in every non believer is a human that really wants to believe.

DarqueKnight

NJPOLKER wrote: »

Thats sad for them because deep down in every non believer is a human that really wants to believe.

Now, you know that's gonna leave a mark.:eek:

DarqueKnight

Mr. Russel concludes his anti-high performance cable polemic with this:

We have been told by advertising that the exotic speaker wires offer fabulous advantages over ordinary lamp cord. It would seem reasonable that using this same wire for lamps would also enhance their performance. In the same vein as wire literature, you can have your lamp reproduce light with the full spectrum color fidelity of natural daylight, finally allowing you see light the way it should be seen and bring out the natural performance of your lamp. It could offer greater warmth, detail, brilliance, definition and speed by providing wider bandwidth and reduced skin effect. It can provide a distortion free illumination that reduces eye strain, resulting in clearer vision and optimal color perception. It can allow you to work for longer periods of time with less visual distraction or fatigue. Just imagine what it might do for your electric razor or microwave, etc.!

Mr. Russel said this to ridicule, but when we think about this in terms of a well engineered power cable with good line noise filtering properties, it is not difficult to understand how common appliances might perform better and last longer if they are fed a power signal with less noise content.

The turntable motor of my VPI 16.5 record cleaning machine ran quieter and smoother with better power cords (measurements given after figure 12 in this thread). This didn't affect the cleaning performance, but I expect that a cleaner power signal translates to less stress on the motor and therefore longer motor life.

vmaxer

xcapri79 wrote: »

Last time I looked this is the Polk Audio forum.
If Polk Audio's top of the line LSi's aren't good enough for you, well too bad for you.
Save us from the high-brow rant, because thanks to Roger Russell, Polk Audio, and others the audio myths have been exposed.

Shall we break out the popcorn??? Seems this is going to heat up a bit;)

F1nut

xcapri79 wrote:

With this, it is pretty much game, set, and match for Mr. Roger Russell.

What's sad here is that you don't even understand what he said.

xcapri79 wrote:

because thanks to Roger Russell, Polk Audio, and others the audio myths have been exposed.

The only thing that has been exposed is your complete ignorance of the subject matter.

Knucklehead

xcapri79 wrote: »

Why do you take the Lord's name in vain as your signature and why in particular during Christmas?

I was quoting someone in my sig to make a point. Dont question my beliefs of religion, I should report your sorry ****, you have more doo doo come out of your mouth than your a$$! You need help.

Knucklehead

That the best you got troll?

PolkThug

"Hearing is believing." -Roger Russell

concealer404

xcapri79 wrote: »

With this, it is pretty much game, set, and match for Mr. Roger Russell.

Uhmmm..... what?

I'd say you missed the point, and then turned backwards and ran the opposite direction a few miles.

concealer404

xcapri79 wrote: »

My Polk Audio LSi's sing beautifully using shielded RCA interconnects from Radio Shack and Lowes (made by GE), and Radio Shack 16AWG Cu speaker wire connected to wonderful Emotiva amps and Pioneer AVR's.
This is consistent with the recommendations from Polk Audio and Roger Russell.
So what do you think of that!

I think it would sound far better if you put some cable of a similar quality of the rest of your gear on there.

The fact that it sounds good now is not the point, and has absolutely nothing to do with what Roger Russell says, since you have NOT tested anything further to even see if he is correct.

concealer404

xcapri79 wrote: »

Last time I looked this is the Polk Audio forum.
If Polk Audio's top of the line LSi's aren't good enough for you, well too bad for you.
Save us from the high-brow rant, because thanks to Roger Russell, Polk Audio, and others the audio myths have been exposed.

Polk Audio has not said that all wire and cables are the same, so what exactly are you trying to insinuate here?

Last you looked, you should have noticed that a LARGE number of people here have moved on from Polk products. Are you saying that there is nothing better than Polk products and that we will hear no improvement or change moving to anything else, either?

All cables sound the same? All speakers sound the same? All amps sound the same? All cd players sound the same?

concealer404

PolkThug wrote: »

"Hearing is believing." -Roger Russell

Heh heh heh....

Face

concealer404 wrote: »

All amps sound the same? All cd players sound the same?

There are people out there who believe this too. :rolleyes:

concealer404

Face wrote: »

There are people out there who believe this too. :rolleyes:

Yes... i wouldn't be surprised if X is one of them. Of course, pairing some LSi15s with that Emo amp then, would make sense.

Knucklehead

concealer404 wrote: »

Polk Audio has not said that all wire and cables are the same, so what exactly are you trying to insinuate here?

Last you looked, you should have noticed that a LARGE number of people here have moved on from Polk products. Are you saying that there is nothing better than Polk products and that we will hear no improvement or change moving to anything else, either?

All cables sound the same? All speakers sound the same? All amps sound the same? All cd players sound the same?

What!!!???? You have no Polk gear!? Shame on you!:p

heiney9

Roger Russell's entire dissertation is so general that the conclusions drawn don't hold water and most of his evidence and studies are hopelessly outdated. I mean really.........damping factor articles from the 60's........Pffffftt, give me a break.

He's a charlatan.

DarqueKnight

Face wrote: »

Hypocrite much?

http://www.ids25.com/literature.htm#Summary%20of%20Advantages%20of%20the%20IDS-25

Face, I don't think they heard you the first time you said it, so I want to expound on it a little more.

Let me make sure I have this straight:

Roger Russel ridicules high quality, high cost wire here.

Then, when he decides to design and offer a pair of $18,900 loudspeakers, "ordinary speaker chassis wire" isn't good enough? He needs to use Cardas Premium Golden Ratio Chassis Wire which costs between $3 and $5 per foot depending on thickness? From the IDS-25 loudspeaker enclosure and wiring page:

"Eighty one feet of high grade Cardas™ chassis wire is used in each system to interconnect all of the drivers. Cardas™ is one of the leaders in manufacturing high quality parts for the audio industry. All connections are wrapped and soldered to eliminate any contact resistance or corrosion problems. Cardas™ terminals are used to connect wires that go to the power amplifier. They are solid copper and plated with gold."

I would expect that Mr. Russel's high dollar speakers would offer the perfect opportunity to debunk the "premium cable hoax".

Rather than finding that shocking endorsement and utilization of Cardas chassis wire, I would have expected to find something along the lines of:

"We tested several of the premium chassis wire offerings from well respected high end wire brands and NONE of them performed any better than common industrial grade chassis wire that is available for a few dollars per 50 foot spool compared to the several dollars per foot cost of the high end wires."


I wonder if Mr. Russel will sell the IDS-25 with "regular", but good quality, wiring for those who don't want to pay the several hundred dollars per speaker cost for the Cardas "Golden Ratio" wire?;)

Such good cable.

Face

Are you really that slow?