17yr old shot dead next street from me

MrNightly

This thread isn't worth the time it takes to respond... anyone who says they have safety training with a firearm, and doesn't aim center mass is a liar. End of story. If you squeeze the trigger you are trying to kill. End of story.

The kid should have been shot. No one really knows the full story. If it's a drunk kid, (how old? 17 is not a kid. 12 year olds kill people these days) and he breaks into a house (And yes, entering an unlocked door is still called breaking and entering) he deserves to be shot. There is always more to the story than we know.

Regardless, anyone claiming to have "safety training" in firearms and aiming for a leg or arm is a liar.

MrNightly

Matt34 wrote: »

As an LEO we are taught you have 21ft to react, draw and fire your sidearm before the average person will get to you at a run. Look up some videos online to see what a 12ga with either 00 buckshot or slugs will do to a human apendage at close range. Torso or not, they are going to bleed out quick.

As far as the legality of the shooting, who knows for sure. If the homeowner feared for his life and/or his family he has a leg to stand on. That being said the perp isn't here to testify against him.;)

Exactly. 21 feet is the distance of reaction as well we were taught at the academy, because they can close that gap with a knife before you can react at that footage.

george daniel

slowpolky wrote: »

well like i said , he was shot at point blank range

hard to miss then:D

slowpolky

are you saying i.m a liar ? because i know how to handle guns and that i would try to maim and not kill? ... doesnt make sence, nor does taking a life

VR3

If someone broke into my house, I would find anything and everything to beat the **** out of them. No questons asked.

ShinAce

Since you're so amazing with sense, tell me something that does make sense.

He was 17, and drunk....hmmm, that's wrong

He walked into the wrong house and was asked to leave, and didn't.....nope, not cool

He apparently rushed someone in their own house who was holding a gun..."Hello, Darwin!?"

This kid won't be remembered as a genius, that's obvious.

I won't remember the homeowner as a murdered either.


My $0.02 , as a dual citizen. Since when did your place of birth change the fact that all humans experience fear.

ben62670

Another stupid thread where none of us have all the facts. I certainly wouldn't want to live with the fact I killed some drunk kid, but f I truly felt my family was in any sort of danger the kid would have been shot. It would have been nice if they could have talked it out, but nobody here was there so blow smoke. SlowPolky you have experience with people coming at you and you carefully maiming them, or you can handle a gun on the range?

Ricardo

If the OP owns a gun, I just hope his gun handling skills are better than his writing skills.

Kex

If this happened in our house, the wifey would have beat the cr@p out of the guy in seconds, and then we would have called the Police, to pick up the guy ... and I'm probably not exagerating! He he he ... she's very useful that way, and for lots of other stuff too. He would be alive though ... but like Ben says: we don't know all the facts, including how big or threatening the intruder may have appeared to the resident; whether the resident had a premeditated policy of shooting any intruders first, regardless, and asking question later, etc. etc. ...

slowpolky

spelling isnt the issue here ric , opinions are! If i had a shotgun aimin at some1 ,then if they charged i would drop it a couple of inches and go for the legs ,its that simple

zarrdoss

I guess its easy to say what you would try and do but a split second will decide what you will do.

Matt34

slowpolky wrote: »

spelling isnt the issue here ric , opinions are! If i had a shotgun aimin at some1 ,then if they charged i would drop it a couple of inches and go for the legs ,its that simple

To accomplish what exactly? Best case scenerio you maim him, he lawyers up and takes you for everything you got over the next decade or so while your serving time.....or you use deadly force correctly (that is what a firearm is considered in the levels of forces) aim center mass, and end the threat immediately.

If your going to own a firearm and feel the situation calls for you to arm yourself with it, you better damn well be prepared to use it for it's intended purpose! Trying to intentional maim someone will get you in a heap of crap

Kex

zarrdoss wrote: »

I guess its easy to say what you would try and do but a split second will decide what you will do.

Definitely true. I'm not that confident with my fighting skills that I would have time to think how hard I'm going to hit an intruder under the influence of adrenaline and fear for my family. I'm just going to whack him as hard as I can and hope it stops him in his tracks before he has time to whack me back. If he's dead, I'll be really upset about it, but it will have been an accident.

ben62670

Slow you are too funny. If you shot anyone in the leg/legs with a shotgun they would either bleed to death, or they would have owned your **** for the rest of your life.

TECHNOKID

hearingimpared wrote: »

What would you do if someone invaded your home?

I would surely defend my self but not resume to killing unless it is the last resort?

slowpolky

+ 1000000000000 on what kex said, ive been in many life threatening situations before, ive always found that the mind is the most powerfull weapon, also like its been said,who knows what exactly happend for sure Its all speculation thus far and i will give you guys a full quote from tomorrows newspaper

zarrdoss

I had to shoot a 350 pound bear that attacked my dog, before I even really comprehended what I had done the bear rolled over and died. It happens fast! and I did not intentionally shoot to kill but instinctively did. Still feel bad about it though.

TECHNOKID

Kex wrote: »

If this happened in our house, the wifey would have beat the cr@p out of the guy in seconds, and then we would have called the Police, to pick up the guy ... and I'm probably not exagerating! He he he ... she's very useful that way, and for lots of other stuff too. He would be alive though ... but like Ben says: we don't know all the facts, including how big or threatening the intruder may have appeared to the resident; whether the resident had a premeditated policy of shooting any intruders first, regardless, and asking question later, etc. etc. ...

I much prefer your alternative I'd love to see this, wifey beating the crap of the intruder (great memories afterward ) (I sure would hang by her side just in case intruder tries to harm her but if safe, let her have her fun ). Correct, many of the facts are missing! However, I'm really glad gun owning isn't that simple in Canada nor the right of use for such use! I personnally think good safety measures (unlocked homes are simply inviting the devil in even if not welcomed) and living in the right nebourghood (while not a garantee). My doors are always locked in or out, no body gets in unless invited (I will NOT open my door to any un-invited strangers!). The important people that do have business in my home have their own keys anyway!

CaligulaPolk

why cant homeowners own taser gun and shoot intruders? itd better than killing anyone. I dont think anyone will able to move if tasered. unless on PCP!

so what happens to that guy who shot the boy? whats the latest update?

exalted512

Sherardp wrote: »

I would have shot him with a pistol, not sure if I would have pumped his chest with a shotgun. I'm a former Marine also, and was taught my safe zone is one arm's distance away, anything closer is considered you planning to harm me. But the home owner was protecting his family, so he really did no wrong in that.

just saying...youre not going to have time to react. "Hmmm, should I get my shotgun, 9 mm...nah, how bout the .40...well, it is close range, ill stick with the shotty, cant miss"

Here in Texas, a guy shot and killed 2 people running away from his neighbors house after they broke in. Got away with it.

You know, if people started thinking they had a legitimate chance of dying for breaking into a house, there would be less break ins. I have absolutely NO problems with that. If someone broke into my house, I would love for my neighbor to shoot them dead.
-Cody

SKsolutions

slowpolky wrote: »

\ ive always found that the mind is the most powerfull weapon,

If that's the case, you must be very familiar with the feeling associated with bringing a Popsicle to a gun fight.

nooshinjohn

Originally Posted by slowpolky
\ ive always found that the mind is the most powerfull weapon...

I actually agree with this statement, as it is the minds of great men/women that gave us guns so that the masses can defend themselves, and the ships, tanks, aircraft and missiles that defend our freedoms.

The mind truly is as terrible thing to waste.:p

ShinAce

TECHNOKID wrote: »

I much prefer your alternative I'd love to see this, wifey beating the crap of the intruder (great memories afterward ) (I sure would hang by her side just in case intruder tries to harm her but if safe, let her have her fun ). Correct, many of the facts are missing! However, I'm really glad gun owning isn't that simple in Canada nor the right of use for such use! I personnally think good safety measures (unlocked homes are simply inviting the devil in even if not welcomed) and living in the right nebourghood (while not a garantee). My doors are always locked in or out, no body gets in unless invited (I will NOT open my door to any un-invited strangers!). The important people that do have business in my home have their own keys anyway!

Even in Canada, you can find hunting. It's not uncommon to have a shutgun locked up in the basement.

You come beating on my door and yelling, I very well might load up some 20 ga. buckshot. If you're in my house and I have a gun in your face, you should leave. If you do not leave, I don't plan on letting your hands touch the gun.

It's never safe to break into peeps cribs and scare the **** out of them. It doesn't matter how wasted or feverish you might be; a lethal threat is a lethal threat.

Ender

ShinAce wrote: »

He apparently rushed someone in their own house who was holding a gun..."Hello, Darwin!?"

I love how people keep referring to Darwin when Darwin basically didn't know squat. Current evolution theory is so far beyond the scope of Darwin that he wouldn't even know where to begin studying. Survival of the fittest isn't really a solid theory.

Same thing with Freud... He was almost a raving lunatic.

Sorry for the derail, but it just kind of annoys me when people use Darwin as some kind of qualifying evidence or support.

slowpolky

i remember watching the news on tv , this guy wakes up in the middle of the nightand alerts his wife, in the spare bedroom theres a guy sitting naked and bleeding surfing **** ,bleeding . they called the cops and it turned out he was in the military and had some kind of post trauma **** going on lol ,Imagine how scared the couple was!!! they never shot him though

snow

Its not like the kid wandered in and then was shot instantly, according to your original post he was asked to leave he refused got rowdy then charged the couple in a threating manner. I have no problem with someone shooting someone like that.


I would have most likely beat the fellow then hancuffed him until the police arrived but im not your average homeowner.

Perhaps this was some crazed kid drunk or on meth or both and the owner was an overweight middle aged fellow not wanting to take the risk of getting his **** beat by some crazy acting fool. As far as im concerned he has every right to defend his home in any way neccesary.



REGARDS SNOW

dfranks

jimmydep wrote: »

Just throw a kitchen knife on the floor next to him......case closed.

I second that !

nooshinjohn

snow wrote: »

I would have most likely beat the fellow then hancuffed him until the police arrived but im not your average homeowner.

hmmmm.. and why would you have a set of handcuffs in the house?....... wait, I don't even want to know:eek::p

JohnLocke88

bobman1235 wrote: »

One of the first things they teach you in any of those courses is if you are in a situation where you're going to fire a weapon, you aim for the biggest part you can, the torso. Any instructor who tells you otherwise shouldn't be instructing.

Should this kid have been shot for wandering into someone's house? No. But at some point he refused to leave and got belligerent. He was a trespasser. I don't know what "unlocked door" means to you, but it is in no way an invitation to come in, and it's certainly not an invitation to come in and then be an aggressor to the rightful homeowners.

It's not "cowboy" thinking, it's people who realize it's a crazy world and survival of the fittest is a law of nature.

Did these f*cks ever call the police? Is it that hard to hold a gun on someone whose unarmed when someone else calls the cops?

Presented with the facts on hand, I have no problem seeing the shooter go to prison for murder, or at least manslaughter.

slowpolky

thats messed up john ,but totaly seems to be similar to what happend imo