SVS PB-13 Ultra Subwoofer

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  • edoggrc51
    edoggrc51 Posts: 584
    edited August 2010
    http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=diy&action=display&thread=13065

    Here ya go! :)
    Denon 4311ci
    MINIdsp OPEN-DRC
    XPR-5
    LS6 Line Arrays
    LS-C Center Channel
    A/V-1RS Surounds
    Quad DIY LMS Ultra subs (powered by dual IPR-7500 amps)
    Panny AE-8000u
    2:35 110in Screen
    Oppo BDP-103
    Belkin PF60
    Harmony ONE

    2ch: Emotiva Stealth 8's, Airport Express
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited September 2010
    edoggrc51 wrote: »
    http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=diy&action=display&thread=13065

    Here ya go! :)

    Thanks..........Great looking Sub!!!
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
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  • edoggrc51
    edoggrc51 Posts: 584
    edited September 2010
    Thanks man. :) The driver sure is a thing of beauty. My cabinet on the other hand, could use some work. LOL! I do have plans on having one built professionally though. Probably in a rosewood veneer to match my speakers, A/V stand, & rack. :)
    Denon 4311ci
    MINIdsp OPEN-DRC
    XPR-5
    LS6 Line Arrays
    LS-C Center Channel
    A/V-1RS Surounds
    Quad DIY LMS Ultra subs (powered by dual IPR-7500 amps)
    Panny AE-8000u
    2:35 110in Screen
    Oppo BDP-103
    Belkin PF60
    Harmony ONE

    2ch: Emotiva Stealth 8's, Airport Express
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  • ecod123
    ecod123 Posts: 379
    edited September 2010
    Hey E,
    Congrats! Took a peek over at the emotiva thread. Your DIY sub is taking shape and looking great.
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  • edoggrc51
    edoggrc51 Posts: 584
    edited September 2010
    Thanks bro!

    You playing with tubes yet? :)
    Denon 4311ci
    MINIdsp OPEN-DRC
    XPR-5
    LS6 Line Arrays
    LS-C Center Channel
    A/V-1RS Surounds
    Quad DIY LMS Ultra subs (powered by dual IPR-7500 amps)
    Panny AE-8000u
    2:35 110in Screen
    Oppo BDP-103
    Belkin PF60
    Harmony ONE

    2ch: Emotiva Stealth 8's, Airport Express
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  • ecod123
    ecod123 Posts: 379
    edited September 2010
    BTW E,
    8 power tubes arrived but the amp is on the slow boat arriving probably late next week. :( Yep, it's quite the torture to stare at tubes but no amp to use them in! Curse the shipper!:D
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  • ecod123
    ecod123 Posts: 379
    edited September 2010
    Edogg,
    Seems like a prominent piece of tube equipment is missing from your equipment list.:D
    UMC-1
    UPA-1 (x2)
    XPA-3
    LS6's
    Mirage OMD-5
    18" LMS Ultra DIY Sub
    Panny AE-4000u
    Panny BD60
    Onix XCD-99
    Belkin PF60
    Harmony 890
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  • edoggrc51
    edoggrc51 Posts: 584
    edited September 2010
    ecod123 wrote: »
    BTW E,
    8 power tubes arrived but the amp is on the slow boat arriving probably late next week. :( Yep, it's quite the torture to stare at tubes but no amp to use them in! Curse the shipper!:D


    Lol! Thats sucks!

    All in due time my friend. :)
    Denon 4311ci
    MINIdsp OPEN-DRC
    XPR-5
    LS6 Line Arrays
    LS-C Center Channel
    A/V-1RS Surounds
    Quad DIY LMS Ultra subs (powered by dual IPR-7500 amps)
    Panny AE-8000u
    2:35 110in Screen
    Oppo BDP-103
    Belkin PF60
    Harmony ONE

    2ch: Emotiva Stealth 8's, Airport Express
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  • edoggrc51
    edoggrc51 Posts: 584
    edited September 2010
    ecod123 wrote: »
    edogg,
    seems like a prominent piece of tube equipment is missing from your equipment list.:d

    fixed!! :D
    Denon 4311ci
    MINIdsp OPEN-DRC
    XPR-5
    LS6 Line Arrays
    LS-C Center Channel
    A/V-1RS Surounds
    Quad DIY LMS Ultra subs (powered by dual IPR-7500 amps)
    Panny AE-8000u
    2:35 110in Screen
    Oppo BDP-103
    Belkin PF60
    Harmony ONE

    2ch: Emotiva Stealth 8's, Airport Express
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited September 2010
    Who's using their Ultra-13 in the Seal mode???
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited October 2010
    danz1906 wrote: »
    Who's using their Ultra-13 in the Seal mode???

    Anyone?
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
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  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited October 2010
    I did for awhile and preferred it for many applications. I changed back after a few months due to a couple of wicked hot BDs that distressed the sub at high volume. You lose about 5dbs down low in sealed mode, but for music it's better. For movies, sharper attack, but you lose some of the visceral subsonic signature. I think it was The Hulk and Valkyrie that prompted me to change back.

    Combo rig:

    Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
    SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
    PB13Ultra RO
    BW Silvers
    Oppo BDP-83SE
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  • rubin
    rubin Posts: 565
    edited October 2010
    Ron Temple wrote: »
    I did for awhile and preferred it for many applications. I changed back after a few months due to a couple of wicked hot BDs that distressed the sub at high volume. You lose about 5dbs down low in sealed mode, but for music it's better. For movies, sharper attack, but you lose some of the visceral subsonic signature. I think it was The Hulk and Valkyrie that prompted me to change back.

    What did you notice that made you believe the sub was stressed, Bottoming/popping?
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  • edoggrc51
    edoggrc51 Posts: 584
    edited October 2010
    danz1906 wrote: »
    Who's using their Ultra-13 in the Seal mode???

    I ran my Ultra-13 sealed when i had it. It was great!! I did lose output but i had a second sub to help make up for that. ;)
    Denon 4311ci
    MINIdsp OPEN-DRC
    XPR-5
    LS6 Line Arrays
    LS-C Center Channel
    A/V-1RS Surounds
    Quad DIY LMS Ultra subs (powered by dual IPR-7500 amps)
    Panny AE-8000u
    2:35 110in Screen
    Oppo BDP-103
    Belkin PF60
    Harmony ONE

    2ch: Emotiva Stealth 8's, Airport Express
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  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited October 2010
    rubin wrote: »
    What did you notice that made you believe the sub was stressed, Bottoming/popping?
    No, nothing like that, the driver just didn't sound happy, right at it's limits. I'm probably going to go with the new Sledge amp when it's available for a swapout. It will allow you to run at limit without distress, as well as, a db or 3 more output. After, I will probably keep it in sealed mode.

    Combo rig:

    Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
    SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
    PB13Ultra RO
    BW Silvers
    Oppo BDP-83SE
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited October 2010
    Ron Temple wrote: »
    No, nothing like that, the driver just didn't sound happy, right at it's limits. I'm probably going to go with the new Sledge amp when it's available for a swapout. It will allow you to run at limit without distress, as well as, a db or 3 more output. After, I will probably keep it in sealed mode.

    The New Amp looks impressive, any word when it will be available???
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited October 2010
    danz1906 wrote: »
    The New Amp looks impressive, any word when it will be available???

    And cost ?
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
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  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited October 2010
    I was told 6-9 weeks about a month ago, but I think it's slipped. Cost...no idea.

    Combo rig:

    Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
    SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
    PB13Ultra RO
    BW Silvers
    Oppo BDP-83SE
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited October 2010
    Ron Temple wrote: »
    I was told 6-9 weeks about a month ago, but I think it's slipped. Cost...no idea.

    Thanks
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
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  • Ericw2431
    Ericw2431 Posts: 228
    edited October 2010
    as for the new sub i think there will be no ultra look at the specs of the plus!!!! =O
    Room Theater:
    Fronts:RTIA3
    center; CSIA6
    AVR: Onkyo 709
    panasonic 55"plasma
    Ps3 slim 250gb
    surrounds.Fxia6
    Sub...svs pc13 ULTRA
    Amp:Emotiva xpa3
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  • colossus
    colossus Posts: 9
    edited October 2010
    I am in the process of buying two subs for my cinema room. I am mixed up between these two:

    a) Dual Klipsch KW-120 THX + Emotiva XPA-2 amp OR
    b) Dual SVS PB-13 Ultra

    I have a Klipsch THX Ultra2 9 Channel Speaker Step up in the cinema room. Of course my heart beats for the Klipsch subs but after reading through the forums, they say that the PB-13s are mightier in both HT and music.

    I only managed to find the Freq vs SPL chart of the DUAL KW-120s and SINGLE PB-13. What about DUAL PB-13s ? Is there a chart ?

    Money wise, they will cost me the same brand new ........ so my door is open for both !!

    Thanks for your opinion guys !!
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited October 2010
    colossus wrote: »
    I am in the process of buying two subs for my cinema room. I am mixed up between these two:

    a) Dual Klipsch KW-120 THX + Emotiva XPA-2 amp OR
    b) Dual SVS PB-13 Ultra

    I have a Klipsch THX Ultra2 9 Channel Speaker Step up in the cinema room. Of course my heart beats for the Klipsch subs but after reading through the forums, they say that the PB-13s are mightier in both HT and music.

    I only managed to find the Freq vs SPL chart of the DUAL KW-120s and SINGLE PB-13. What about DUAL PB-13s ? Is there a chart ?

    Money wise, they will cost me the same brand new ........ so my door is open for both !!

    Thanks for your opinion guys !!

    would suggest emailing SVS. I have emailed them with my questions and got responses quite quickly and with more than enough info.
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited October 2010
    colossus wrote: »
    I am in the process of buying two subs for my cinema room. I am mixed up between these two:

    a) Dual Klipsch KW-120 THX + Emotiva XPA-2 amp OR
    b) Dual SVS PB-13 Ultra

    I have a Klipsch THX Ultra2 9 Channel Speaker Step up in the cinema room. Of course my heart beats for the Klipsch subs but after reading through the forums, they say that the PB-13s are mightier in both HT and music.

    I only managed to find the Freq vs SPL chart of the DUAL KW-120s and SINGLE PB-13. What about DUAL PB-13s ? Is there a chart ?

    Money wise, they will cost me the same brand new ........ so my door is open for both !!

    Thanks for your opinion guys !!

    Since you have the Thx Ultra2 speaker setup, I would say go for the KW-120
    subwoofers and the KA-1000 THx amp.
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
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  • colossus
    colossus Posts: 9
    edited October 2010
    Personally I don't mind buying the dual PB-13s even though I have a Klipsch THX Ultra2 setup. Just want to know which is the best.

    Dual Klipsch KW-120 specs:
    130dB @ 30Hz, 122dB @ 20Hz, 112dB @ 15Hz 1/8 space, 1m (2 enclosures side-by-side per THX Ultra2)

    Dual PB-13s ???
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  • colossus
    colossus Posts: 9
    edited October 2010
    EndersShadow wrote: »
    would suggest emailing SVS. I have emailed them with my questions and got responses quite quickly and with more than enough info.
    Yes I will email SVS and hopefully get an answer from them.
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited October 2010
    colossus wrote: »
    Yes I will email SVS and hopefully get an answer from them.

    Both are great sub-woofers, I think you would be very happy with
    either one. The Thx Ultra2 KW-120 may be a better match for your
    Thx speakers.
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
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  • colossus
    colossus Posts: 9
    edited November 2010
    EndersShadow wrote: »
    would suggest emailing SVS. I have emailed them with my questions and got responses quite quickly and with more than enough info.
    SVS reply:
    For dual, co-located subs you can add simply add 6dB onto the single measurements.

    By the facts displayed in the Freq vs SPL charts, it seems that the Klipsch subs are more dynamic and powerful.

    But that does not convince me. I want to know the opinion of someone who experienced both !!

    Anyone ???
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  • colossus
    colossus Posts: 9
    edited November 2010
    danz1906 wrote: »
    Both are great sub-woofers, I think you would be very happy with
    either one. The Thx Ultra2 KW-120 may be a better match for your
    Thx speakers.
    Check the SVS PB-13 Ultra FREQ vs SPL Chart from 1 foot away:
    http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_3/svs-pb13-ultra-subwoofer-9-2007-part-3.html

    This sub can go maximum to 100dBs (1 foot away). Adding another sub, will go to 106dBs. What do you conclude guys ? Need your help.

    KW-120s are THX certified therefore the results are 100% true.

    Danz you heard both ! Need your honest opinion PLEASE :smile::smile::smile:

    You seem to like the PB-13 Ultra more ...... hehehe
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited November 2010
    colossus wrote: »
    Check the SVS PB-13 Ultra FREQ vs SPL Chart from 1 foot away:
    http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_3/svs-pb13-ultra-subwoofer-9-2007-part-3.html

    This sub can go maximum to 100dBs (1 foot away). Adding another sub, will go to 106dBs. What do you conclude guys ? Need your help.

    KW-120s are THX certified therefore the results are 100% true.

    Danz you heard both ! Need your honest opinion PLEASE :smile::smile::smile:

    You seem to like the PB-13 Ultra more ...... hehehe

    My vote goes to SVS because its got the amps built in for you so it saves you some rack/entrainment center room...that and I really really like SVS..

    Or get both and return the one you dont like (SVS has 30 day return, so does Emotiva, not sure about Klipsh)
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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  • colossus
    colossus Posts: 9
    edited November 2010
    Hello again guys.

    After extensive research about the Dual KW-120 THX and Dual PB-13 Ultra I came to a conclusion (after seeing numerous charts and reviews) that the PB-13 Ultra is better than the KW-120.

    If you compare the subs from frequency 20Hz+, they are practically the same. But if you compare them from 20Hz down, then you see the magic in the PB-13 Ultra.

    Therefore if you are looking for the dynamic punchy bass of the KW-120s but you want also the extra deep deep bass of 10-20Hz, then go for the Dual PB-13 Ultras.

    This is of course my personal opinion based on the research I have done.
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