Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

mrbigbluelight

GV#27 wrote: »

I disagree and think your science is flawed.That is clearly a Hilbert Transform...er.;)

Gawd ..... that was ...... GOOD ! Take a $5-spot from the cash drawer on that one.

xcapri79 wrote: »

I would absolutely agree that with your guitar to amplifier connection that you could definitely hear a difference between different cables.

NO WAY !! Copper is copper, Guitar Hero Fan Boy.

xcapri79 wrote: »

Similarly you will hear a difference in cables between a preamp output to amplifier input. It is with these low level signals that noise and signal loss can become a real problem.

NO WAY !! (see previous)

ben62670 wrote: »

What ever.
Here is a pic of my butt...
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh83/ben62670/butt.jpg

Ben, you slutting ..... **** ! :eek:



...... for anyone else thinking about clicking on that link, don't bother....... photo's been removed..........

ben62670

Seeing we can't edit I had to post a link to where I could;)
I was scared to leave the pic up. I didn't want anyone busting in my back door:eek:

Kex

comfortablycurt wrote: »

I've got something here that might help with the "cables make a difference" point of view ...

You call yourself something "curt", and you make a post like that?! I couldn't fit it on my screen. My brain is swimming. I think I might be in a coma.

You do know what's going to happen now, because of that long post, don't you? The RAS is going to have their way with you the next time they meet!

cnh

comfortablycurt wrote: »

I've got something here that might help with the "cables make a difference" point of view.

I'm a guitar player, I've been playing for about 10 years now. These days I play mostly acoustic, but up until about 2 years ago I played electric almost all the time.

My electric rig isn't exactly what you'd call entry level...I have somewhere in the neighborhood of 4000 dollars invested in it. It's very capable of resolving the slightest little miniscule nuances.

I'm running a Mesa/Boogie Dual Rectifier Solo amp head, with the matching Mesa/Boogie Rectifier 4x12 cabinet. This is an excellent sounding, very desirable guitar amp. I also have an original '69 Fender Stratocaster, a Fender American Deluxe Fat Strat and several other guitars, all of which are very capable instruments.

About 3 years ago, I was getting the itch to upgrade something in my electric rig, because I hadn't in quite a while. There wasn't really much I could upgrade to as far as the amp goes without spending upwards of 10,000 dollars...all of my guitars were, and still are, just fine. I decided I'd get some higher quality aftermarket cables to replace the basic 12.99 cables I was using at the time.

I tried several different cables, and noticed huge differences between each one. The first one I tried was a Dimarzio Steve Vai signature cable. I got two of the cables, one between my guitar and amp head, one between the amp head and the 4x12 cabinet. I turned the amp on, let the ole tubes warm up...and started playing. Immediately I noticed that when playing rhythm parts on the clean channel with a lot of chord usage the sound got really muddy. Progressions between chords were a lot duller and less defined, the individual strings within the chords were harder to pick out from the rest.

Moving onto some overdriven lead parts, I actually found some big improvements. The sustain was vastly improved, bends came through a lot smoother and more defined, fast tremolo picking sounded a lot less choppy than it did before. I was happy in those respects.

After a few weeks went by, the muddy sounding rhythms were really bugging me, so I decided to try something else. The next cable on the list was a -cough-Monster Cable-cough-. The cable I chose was the Monster Cable Studio Pro 1000 Instrument Cable.

This cable failed to impress me in pretty much any area...the rhythm parts sounded quite similar to the Dimarzio Cable I'd tried previously...muddy sounding overall, less definition within chords etc. Switching to overdriven lead parts once again, I was thoroughly upset at having wasted almost 200 dollars on these cables. All of the sustain that I'd come to love from the Dimarzio over the past few weeks was gone...definition within lead progressions was gone. Fairly consistent with Monsters general reputation.:rolleyes: This was before I even knew about Monsters shoddy business practices, so I wasn't even biased due to that.

Moving on from my huge disappointment with the Monster, I tried a 3rd, and final cable, the Evidence Audio: Lyric HG instrument cable.

This cable impressed me on all counts. It simply blew the other two out of the water. Clarity was vastly improved over all of the frequency ranges, no matter what style I was playing. The rhythm parts I'd been having trouble with previously are sounding fantastic now. I've never heard chords so warm(except from my acoustic;)). The definition if the individual strings within the chords is excellent...each string is sharply defined, and yet they all blend together perfectly. Lead parts are sounding fantastic...higher notes are nice and bright. I also noticed with this cable, that my normal practice volume dropped quite a bit. Before the cable uprades, when practicing, my average volume was around 2(out of 10). My average practice volume now, is closer to 1.5. That may not sound like a big difference, but I can assure you there is a huge difference in my amps volume by clicking it up even a little amount like that.

So, as a guitar player, I think I would be more than qualified to judge the changing sound quality of my guitar rig. When you're playing music, there is no misconception...you're not just listening to it, you're playing it. A tiny little difference in the sound of your rig can completely change the overall sound of your playing. Things that I'd played hundreds of times before, sounded completely different after swapping some cables. When you're actually playing the music, things like that aren't imaginary.

So, if you try to tell me that I was imagining these differences that cables made, I'm going to take it as a personal insult, and I will slap you. My rig sounds vastly better than it did before I upgraded the cables. It was worth every bit of the money I spent. I plan to eventually experiment with some different cables in my electric rig, but for the time being, these Evidence Audio's are doing the trick for me. If Audioquest ever decides to release some pro instrument cables though, I'll be first in line.

Curt,

That is one hell of a post, if you haven't completed a college degree by any chance...you'd better!

cnh

comfortablycurt

Kex wrote: »

You call yourself something "curt", and you make a post like that?! I couldn't fit it on my screen. My brain is swimming. I think I might be in a coma.

You do know what's going to happen now, because of that long post, don't you? The RAS is going to have their way with you the next time they meet!

I didn't really have a whole lot going on when I wrote that post...it killed some time though, and contributed some points that were, IMO, very valid.

Noticed how Seabiscuit hasn't responded yet? Where are you Seafart?

Yeah, my first RAS meeting is promising to be one hell of a time. I'm just hoping I manage to walk away from it with my life...and my pants. From what I've gathered, they're all some pretty rough characters...lol

cnh wrote: »

Curt,

That is one hell of a post, if you haven't completed a college degree by any chance...you'd better!

cnh

Nah...School wasn't really my thing. I own 1/3 of the tree care service that I run with my dad and brother though, so it's not a very big deal to me. Most of the people I went to high school with and went to college, can now be found around town working at all sorts of various fast food places...lol







To all of the trolls-You're not going to believe what I found...

Adcom audio cables

Wow...a company that makes very highly regarded amplifiers, preamps a whole lot of other various audio toys, that also produced high end cables!?! How can this be!? Cables obviously make no difference, and yet Adcom decides to produce their own high quality interconnects...incredible.

seafire

comfortablycurt wrote: »

I didn't really have a whole lot going on when I wrote that post...it killed some time though, and contributed some points that were, IMO, very valid.

Noticed how Seabiscuit hasn't responded yet? Where are you Seafart?

Yeah, my first RAS meeting is promising to be one hell of a time. I'm just hoping I manage to walk away from it with my life...and my pants. From what I've gathered, they're all some pretty rough characters...lol



Nah...School wasn't really my thing. I own 1/3 of the tree care service that I run with my dad and brother though, so it's not a very big deal to me. Most of the people I went to high school with and went to college, can now be found around town working at all sorts of various fast food places...lol







To all of the trolls-You're not going to believe what I found...

Adcom audio cables

Wow...a company that makes very highly regarded amplifiers, preamps a whole lot of other various audio toys, that also produced high end cables!?! How can this be!? Cables obviously make no difference, and yet Adcom decides to produce their own high quality interconnects...incredible.

Seeing that you are calling me names again I will respond to comfortablyCRAP.
Notice that it's only in a adcom plastic.Why, cos Adcom realized they can make money from monkeys like you!
No on a serious note can you please tell me where I said cables make no difference?I did say that 9 times out of ten it's over rated and my biggest point is that you can make your own hybrids for a quarter of the price.THAT IS IT;)
PS Plus dodo we are talking speaker cable here that carries high current ac volts not interconnects with millivolt to volt dc that are very sensitive to noise.So your rave review actually proves JACK SQUAT on this thread

heiney9

seafire wrote: »

Notice that it's only in a adcom plastic.Why cos Adcom realized they can make money from monkeys like you!

Just so you all know..........those cables aren't worth anywhere near that kind of money. IIRC, Adcom never sold them seperately.....they came with the amplifiers and are a step or two up from a regular "zip style" RCA cords that were/are standard issue. They have plastic molded gold plated RCA ends and you can can see the shielding used through the opaque plastic sheathing. A nice accessory, but hardly worth what the seller is asking since they were included with the purchase of an Adcom amp.

H9

seafire

heiney9 wrote: »

Just so you all know..........those cables aren't worth anywhere near that kind of money. IIRC, Adcom never sold them seperately.....they came with the amplifiers and are a step or two up from a regular "zip style" RCA cords that were/are standard issue. They have plastic molded gold plated RCA ends and you can can see the shielding used through the opaque plastic sheathing. A nice accessory, but hardly worth what the seller is asking since they were included with the purchase of an Adcom amp.

H9

Thank you for that H9

WilliamM2

heiney9 wrote: »

Just so you all know..........those cables aren't worth anywhere near that kind of money. IIRC, Adcom never sold them seperately.....they came with the amplifiers and are a step or two up from a regular "zip style" RCA cords that were/are standard issue. They have plastic molded gold plated RCA ends and you can can see the shielding used through the opaque plastic sheathing. A nice accessory, but hardly worth what the seller is asking since they were included with the purchase of an Adcom amp.

H9

They did sell some cables as accessories. I had a 20ft pair in the 80's, believe I paid the local dealer $14.99 or so, I remember they were cheaper than radio shack for that length. They weren't actually made by Adcom, they were identical to the Phoenix Gold cables at the time.

heiney9

WM2, you are probably correct; perhaps at one point you could buy them. I still have the pair that came with my Adcom which looked exactly like those in the ad. Certainly looks to be Phoenix Gold brand from the '80's. When I was selling audio in the late 80's early 90's we sold Adcom and never stocked any cables from them or even had them listed in a dealer catalog.

comfortablycurt

seafire wrote: »

Seeing that you are calling me names again I will respond to comfortablyCRAP.
Notice that it's only in a adcom plastic.Why, cos Adcom realized they can make money from monkeys like you!
No on a serious note can you please tell me where I said cables make no difference?I did say that 9 times out of ten it's over rated and my biggest point is that you can make your own hybrids for a quarter of the price.THAT IS IT;)
PS Plus dodo we are talking speaker cable here that carries high current ac volts not interconnects with millivolt to volt dc that are very sensitive to noise.So your rave review actually proves JACK SQUAT on this thread

Wow, thanks for the nickname Seasquirt. I'm touched...really I am.:) I'd like if from here on out, everyone start referring to me as comfortablyCRAP. That's a really catchy name...I just keep repeating it to myself.

Now would you please stop repeating yourself? You've said numerous times that cables are a waste of money and that there are cheaper alternatives. We get your point...you've said it hundreds of times over the course of this thread.

My point with the review of the guitar cables is that...cables make a difference. One of the said cables I was referring to actually WAS acting as a speaker cable, and also made a big difference. Not only is there a connection between the guitar and the amplifier, but there's also a connection between the amp head and the speaker cabinet. Sure sounds an awful lot like a speaker cable to me. Correct me if I'm wrong on that though spermfart.:rolleyes:

I tried several different connection methods when I was experimenting with those cables. I initially tried them both at the same time, between the guitar-amp and between the amp-cabinet. I also swapped them around several times, using the good cable between the guitar-amp and a cheapo between the amp-cabinet and vice-versa. To really get the improvements that I was discussing, it was necessary to have both of the higher quality cables hooked up. Using a good cable in only one position gave me very minimal improvements.


Brock-Thanks for the info on the Adcom cables. That's the first time I'd ever even seen them before, I've never really heard anything about them. I'll know to stay away from them now. I guess I won't be getting any Adcom cables to hook up that 545 you're selling me.;) I'll just stick with my AQ's.




It's interesting...When Dave(Daboyz) dropped off the RTi's for me the other day, he gave me some various Adcom literature to read(thanks Dave!). There are several places where it states that you should always use high quality cables with your Adcom gear, and that you should consult with your audio dealer to find the best match for your equipment. Sounds an awful lot like they recommend using quality cables.

Just in case you missed it Seafire, here's Polk's position on the cable debate.

http://www.polkaudio.com/education/showanswer.php?question_num=80

seafire

comfortablycurt wrote: »

Wow, thanks for the nickname Seasquirt. I'm touched...really I am.:) I'd like if from here on out, everyone start referring to me as comfortablyCRAP. That's a really catchy name...I just keep repeating it to myself.

Now would you please stop repeating yourself? You've said numerous times that cables are a waste of money and that there are cheaper alternatives. We get your point...you've said it hundreds of times over the course of this thread.

My point with the review of the guitar cables is that...cables make a difference. One of the said cables I was referring to actually WAS acting as a speaker cable, and also made a big difference. Not only is there a connection between the guitar and the amplifier, but there's also a connection between the amp head and the speaker cabinet. Sure sounds an awful lot like a speaker cable to me. Correct me if I'm wrong on that though spermfart.:rolleyes:

I tried several different connection methods when I was experimenting with those cables. I initially tried them both at the same time, between the guitar-amp and between the amp-cabinet. I also swapped them around several times, using the good cable between the guitar-amp and a cheapo between the amp-cabinet and vice-versa. To really get the improvements that I was discussing, it was necessary to have both of the higher quality cables hooked up. Using a good cable in only one position gave me very minimal improvements.


Brock-Thanks for the info on the Adcom cables. That's the first time I'd ever even seen them before, I've never really heard anything about them. I'll know to stay away from them now. I guess I won't be getting any Adcom cables to hook up that 545 you're selling me.;) I'll just stick with my AQ's.




It's interesting...When Dave(Daboyz) dropped off the RTi's for me the other day, he gave me some various Adcom literature to read(thanks Dave!). There are several places where it states that you should always use high quality cables with your Adcom gear, and that you should consult with your audio dealer to find the best match for your equipment. Sounds an awful lot like they recommend using quality cables.

Just in case you missed it Seafire, here's Polk's position on the cable debate.

http://www.polkaudio.com/education/showanswer.php?question_num=80

At the risk of repeating myself again why do you keep on showing me these threads.I repeat I never said cables make no difference.But I will tell you that 90% of what you see out there is crap made in China with very catchy packaging.Over and out

comfortablycurt

seafire wrote: »

At the risk of repeating myself again why do you keep on showing me these threads.I repeat I never said cables make no difference.But I will tell you that 90% of what you see out there is crap made in China with very catchy packaging.Over and out

What thread are you talking about that I keep showing you? Are you referring to the FAQ section that shows Polks stance on the cable debate? Because that was the first and only time I've posted that. Someone else pointed it out a page or two back...that wasn't me though. I just figured you might want to see it again, because you seem to be kind of selective about what you see and don't see...read and don't read etc...


So...no witty response telling me how the cable connecting my amp to my speaker cabinet isn't a speaker cable? Nothing? Damn. I'm really interested in hearing about how my experiences involving a speaker cable have "jack squat" to do with a thread that's about speaker cables.

Also, kindly point me to where I said that you explicitly stated "cables make no difference". You've said numerous times that cables do make a difference, but Cat 5 is just as good as the premium cables out there for a fraction of the price. I'm well aware of that, as you've said it a couple hundred times in this thread.

I think a lot of these "junk overpriced cables", as you so eloquently put it, are a bit more than overpriced Chinese crap with catchy packaging. The packaging isn't really a big concern of mine when I'm buying a cable...I think your 90% figure is a bit exaggerated as well.

Go have fun with your Cat 5 cables Seabiscuit.

mhardy6647

you guys really seem to be in dire need of a hobby...

comfortablycurt

mhardy6647 wrote: »

you guys really seem to be in dire need of a hobby...

I've got numerous hobbies...I'm just bored, and enjoying watching Seasquirt squirm...it's really quite amusing.

seafire

comfortablycurt wrote: »

What thread are you talking about that I keep showing you? Are you referring to the FAQ section that shows Polks stance on the cable debate? Because that was the first and only time I've posted that. Someone else pointed it out a page or two back...that wasn't me though. I just figured you might want to see it again, because you seem to be kind of selective about what you see and don't see...read and don't read etc...


So...no witty response telling me how the cable connecting my amp to my speaker cabinet isn't a speaker cable? Nothing? Damn. I'm really interested in hearing about how my experiences involving a speaker cable have "jack squat" to do with a thread that's about speaker cables.

Also, kindly point me to where I said that you explicitly stated "cables make no difference". You've said numerous times that cables do make a difference, but Cat 5 is just as good as the premium cables out there for a fraction of the price. I'm well aware of that, as you've said it a couple hundred times in this thread.
Do you honestly think anything I am squirming?.Hehehehe whatever! READ ABOVE
I think a lot of these "junk overpriced cables", as you so eloquently put it, are a bit more than overpriced Chinese crap with catchy packaging. The packaging isn't really a big concern of mine when I'm buying a cable...I think your 90% figure is a bit exaggerated as well.

Go have fun with your Cat 5 cables Seabiscuit.

Ok so wow I slipped on the one piece from amp to speaker cabinet.I bet that that part made the least difference anyway.Hope your hearing is still ok after 10 years of electric guitar.I have my doubts :rolleyes:As for the PM you sent me once---do you believe me now when I told you I dont just roll over and get intimidated by pack mentality! Go enjoy your guitar amp Comfortablycrap

seafire

comfortablycurt wrote: »

I've got numerous hobbies...I'm just bored, and enjoying watching Seasquirt squirm...it's really quite amusing.

Read above.You couldn't make me squirm for diddly squat.At least I don't suck up to people and not have my own opinion:rolleyes:

mhardy6647

comfortablycurt wrote: »

I've got numerous hobbies...I'm just bored, and enjoying watching Seasquirt squirm...it's really quite amusing.

gotcha.

F1nut

seafire wrote: »

do you believe me now when I told you I just roll over?

:eek:

TECHNOKID

heiney9 wrote: »

I am an MIT man myself but he wanted technical info and who better to give it than the people who helped make the cables.

Matter of fact, I really enjoyed the read!

comfortablycurt

seafire wrote: »

Ok so wow I slipped on the one piece from amp to speaker cabinet.I bet that that part made the least difference anyway.Hope your hearing is still ok after 10 years of electric guitar.I have my doubts :rolleyes:As for the PM you sent me once---do you believe me now when I told you I dont just roll over and get intimidated by pack mentality! Go enjoy your guitar amp Comfortablycrap

My hearing is excellent, thanks for your concern. I don't play raging heavy metal at insanely excessive volumes, so my guitar playing hasn't greatly impacted my hearing ability. At the last hearing test I got, which was about a year and a half ago IIRC, they reported that my hearing was nearly perfect. Again, thanks for your concern.

Also, if you'd read my post, you'd have noticed that I said...

I tried several different connection methods when I was experimenting with those cables. I initially tried them both at the same time, between the guitar-amp and between the amp-cabinet. I also swapped them around several times, using the good cable between the guitar-amp and a cheapo between the amp-cabinet and vice-versa. To really get the improvements that I was discussing, it was necessary to have both of the higher quality cables hooked up. Using a good cable in only one position gave me very minimal improvements.

As I said, using just one of the cables, in either position basically gave me the same results. It wasn't until I had both of the cables hooked up between the entire chain that the big improvements were found. Having a good cable between to the amp, and a cheapo to the cab got me basically the same results as a cheapo to the amp and a good cable to the cab.

As to the PM I sent you, I tried giving you some friendly advice that you were making a complete idiot of yourself on here, and that you had basically destroyed any chance of having a successful time on this forum.

You replied with something along these lines...

"Sometimes I have an audiophile friend over and we sit on my couch with my computer hooked up to my big screen flat panel, and we'll enjoy a good laugh at how ignorant all of the Club Polk members are."

There was more than that, but I didn't bother replying to the message, and deleted it shortly after I received it. I also failed to see how that had anything to do with anything that I said in that PM. Perhaps you could post it if you still have it in your outbox. Hell, post the message I sent you if you've still got it in your inbox. Then everyone else can see how ridiculous your reply was.

seafire wrote: »

Read above.You couldn't make me squirm for diddly squat.At least I don't suck up to people and not have my own opinion:rolleyes:

You're not squirming? That explains why you've been defending yourself to such ridiculous extents for like 40 pages now.

Explain to me who exactly I'm sucking up to? My opinion on cables is purely my own. I made a very lengthy post detailing my experiences with cables in my guitar rig, in fact we're discussing that very post right now. How exactly is that "sucking up"? That most definitely was my own opinion.

seafire

comfortablycurt wrote: »

My hearing is excellent, thanks for your concern. I don't play raging heavy metal at insanely excessive volumes, so my guitar playing hasn't greatly impacted my hearing ability. At the last hearing test I got, which was about a year and a half ago IIRC, they reported that my hearing was nearly perfect. Again, thanks for your concern.

Also, if you'd read my post, you'd have noticed that I said...



As I said, using just one of the cables, in either position basically gave me the same results. It wasn't until I had both of the cables hooked up between the entire chain that the big improvements were found. Having a good cable between to the amp, and a cheapo to the cab got me basically the same results as a cheapo to the amp and a good cable to the cab.

As to the PM I sent you, I tried giving you some friendly advice that you were making a complete idiot of yourself on here, and that you had basically destroyed any chance of having a successful time on this forum.

You replied with something along these lines...

"Sometimes I have an audiophile friend over and we sit on my couch with my computer hooked up to my big screen flat panel, and we'll enjoy a good laugh at how ignorant all of the Club Polk members are."

There was more than that, but I didn't bother replying to the message, and deleted it shortly after I received it. I also failed to see how that had anything to do with anything that I said in that PM. Perhaps you could post it if you still have it in your outbox.



You're not squirming? That explains why you've been defending yourself to such ridiculous extents for like 40 pages now.

Explain to me who exactly I'm sucking up to? My opinion on cables is purely my own. I made a very lengthy post detailing my experiences with cables in my guitar rig, in fact we're discussing that very post right now. How exactly is that "sucking up"? That most definitely was my own opinion.

First of all please don't lie.I said that we laugh at all the childish name calling and how everyone was over reacting.Not once did I say polk members were ignorant!.You told me your sloppy story of how you came on here and got involved with some big argument.That you later realized you are making yourself unpopular so you retracted from the argument,I call that SUCKING UP :rolleyes:

VR3

This thread sucks. Period.

How in the hell it is even still unlocked is beyond me.

Seriously... what are you guys 2? Get over it.

comfortablycurt

seafire wrote: »

First of all please don't lie.I said that we laugh at all the childish name calling and how everyone was over reacting.Not once did I say polk members were ignorant!.You told me your sloppy story of how you came on here and got involved with some big argument.That you later realized you are making yourself unpopular so you retracted from the argument,I call that SUCKING UP :rolleyes:

Ok...I didn't lie about anything. I briefly skimmed over the message after I received it and immediately deleted it...I didn't take the time to memorize the entire thing. My apologies. What I don't get, is if you're so annoyed by all of the over reacting and the childish name calling...why are you still here? You're more than welcome to leave.

Yes, I got involved in a stupid argument when I first joined here. I realized how out of hand it was getting, so I stepped out of it. I don't call that "sucking up". I apologized to everyone, because I shouldn't have been arguing about it all in the first place. I'd look at it more as admitting a stupid mistake, than "sucking up". I don't suck up to anybody...aside from my girlfriend from time to time.;)

Admitting that you were out of hand, and backing out of a pointless argument seems to be something that you have a complete inability to do though.

I've made numerous friends on here since then...even with some of the people I was arguing with initially. I'm glad I backed out of the argument because it wasn't going anywhere at all. I tried recommending that you do the same. You might have actually had a chance of repairing your reputation here at that point, but I'd say it's completely beyond hope now.

How is this thread not locked yet? It really should be.

This argument is getting to old, and way to repetitious, so I'm done with it. Enjoy, Seafire. Troll the forum to your hearts content.

seafire

comfortablycurt wrote: »

Ok...I didn't lie about anything. I briefly skimmed over the message after I received it...I didn't take the time to memorize the entire thing. My apologies. What I don't get, is if you're so annoyed by all of the over reacting and the childish name calling...why are you still here? You're more than welcome to leave.

Yes, I got involved in a stupid argument right when I joined here. I realized how out of hand it was getting, so I stepped out of it. I don't call that "sucking up". I apologized to everyone, because I shouldn't have been arguing about it all in the first place. I'd look at it more as admitting a mistake, than "sucking up". This is something that you seem to have a complete inability to do.

I've made numerous friends on here since then...even with some of the people I was arguing with initially. I'm glad I backed out of the argument because it wasn't going anywhere at all. I tried recommending that you do the same. You might have actually had a chance of repairing your reputation here at that point, but I'd say it's completely beyond hope now.

This argument is getting to old, and way to repetitious, so I'm done with it. Enjoy, Seafire. Troll the forum to your hearts content.

If you scroll back to some posts ago I asked you to leave me alone.I also asked you "then why are you still here" and that question still applies.I'm not a girl and so really don't care for my reputation with certain people that can only call me names .However I do care for those with valid opinions and have already made some good friends here.

seafire

Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »

This thread sucks. Period.

How in the hell it is even still unlocked is beyond me.

Seriously... what are you guys 2? Get over it.

If you take notice I stayed away here for numerous posts but certain people come here and start name calling me again..seafart ,seascum etc etc.He keeps on asking me to leave and then askes''I wonder where seafart/seabiscuit is?''.So I gave him a little piece of my mind

VR3

Irregardless -

We are all adults. Just because someone is bored does not mean you have to respond. Be the bigger man (both of you) and shut up.

bikezappa

Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »

Irregardless -.

There no such word, regardless works just fine by itself. Grin.

Peace

Face

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Irregardless

VR3

Thanks