Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

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  • zarrdoss
    zarrdoss Posts: 2,562
    edited March 2009
    Sometime you need to agree to disagree and be done with it, does anyone else think this is one of those times besides me?
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited March 2009
    seafire wrote: »
    Ok I will refrain but I bet you someone else will start it up again:cool:

    And you will respond...
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,545
    edited March 2009
    seafire wrote: »
    ...I say I am to old to learn I said I dont need much guidance...

    In the words of Dr. Phil, "how's that workin for ya?" Good luck and good night.
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  • seafire
    seafire Posts: 459
    edited March 2009
    ben62670 wrote: »
    And you will respond...
    No I won't I will watch but not respond I am outta here for good trust me its like a dog chasing his own tail my clothes are dirty from all the mud slinging:D Time for a shower and my audio rig with its cccc not gonna say it;););)
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  • bikezappa
    bikezappa Posts: 2,463
    edited March 2009
    SuperG wrote: »
    Just got back from work, looked up this thread...5 f$%k pages of this BS...comme on guys, give it a rest. Surely you can find something more usefull to do with your time...TIME FOR THIS THREAD TO END...;)

    Consider that this thread is all made up by the writers at Polk.

    When we wake up it will all be gone.

    Dust.
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  • Fongolio
    Fongolio Posts: 3,516
    edited March 2009
    18 pages and counting.
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  • scottnbnj
    scottnbnj Posts: 709
    edited March 2009
    seafire wrote: »
    No I won't I will watch but not respond I am outta here for good trust me its like a dog chasing his own tail my clothes are dirty from all the mud slinging:D Time for a shower and my audio rig with its cccc not gonna say it;););)


    well, i think you've made solid progress.

    after you've had a chance to reflect, you'll also come to accept that not everyone will switch to cables just because you think they only sound 0000.0015% worse.

    )
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  • The Monoliths
    The Monoliths Posts: 10
    edited March 2009
    Monolith4x6.jpg
    Our owner sends his regards and regrets that he has not had
    time to participate in this latest informative and entertaining
    cable debate due to some audio maintenance activities:

    VinylCleaningSet8x6.jpg
    Scrub-a-dub-dub.
    ohmy.gifWhen "your owner" said he was going on a vinyl buying spree, I thought he was just playing.
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  • mdaudioguy
    mdaudioguy Posts: 5,165
    edited March 2009
    The Monoliths wrote: »
    Our owner sends his regards and regrets that he has not had time to participate in this latest informative and entertaining cable debate due to some audio maintenance activities:
    ...
    Scrub-a-dub-dub.
    When "your owner" said he was going on a vinyl buying spree, I thought he was just playing.

    Post #1... and you put THAT in HERE????:confused::confused::confused::confused:
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited March 2009
    mdaudioguy wrote: »
    Post #1... and you put THAT in HERE????:confused::confused::confused::confused:

    I loved the way he is taking meticulous care of the records, and then stacks them on top of each other . LOL. I suppose for a turntable he has a changer. On the other hand, Cat5 speaker wire can compensate for any distortion from vinyl. New technology fixes old technology.
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited March 2009
    Seabiscuit-Has it ever occurred to you that some people might want that extra .00015 percent in their rig? I'd be willing to be that some cables will even give you a .015 percent better sound. Maybe even higher than that. 2-3 percent even.

    Sure, it doesn't make sense for a lot of people to go and spend thousands of dollars on cables. If I were to go and spend that much, it would take me to the point of diminishing returns, but that's more than the entire value of my rig. It's not justified.

    You can't think of cables as simply cables...they're a component in the chain.

    For most people, a couple hundred dollars in cables is all that they will ever need. Some people are looking for that extra edge though...and cables are one way of attaining that extra edge.

    You keep asking for technical proof...sorry, I don't have any for you. What convinced me was my own ears. When I upgraded to some Audioquest IC's my soundstage drastically widened right away, my bass response was much improved...a whole lot punchier and clearer, midrange clarity was also much improved, especially in the lower-mid regions. The highs on the other hand, were somewhat diminished...a bit more laid back. Clearer on the whole...but not quite so forward.

    That was all the convincing I needed. If the Cat 5 cables work for you and fulfill your needs...that's great. You don't have any need to upgrade them. Just because they work great for you, doesn't mean that they're the ideal solution 100% of the time. Everyones rigs are different, everyones ears are different and everyones personal tastes are different. That's why experimentation is so highly recommended.

    What sounds fantastic in rig A could sound mediocre in rig B and completely terrible in rig C. Individual system synergy is one of the most important aspects in this hobby.



    edit-

    The Monoliths-Was this really the best place to make your first post on this forum? Especially when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand? Not try to bash on you or anything...just wondering...
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  • Fongolio
    Fongolio Posts: 3,516
    edited March 2009
    I think The Monoliths is an existing member with a new log in. Class discuss.
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  • The Monoliths
    The Monoliths Posts: 10
    edited March 2009
    BlueFox wrote: »
    I loved the way he is taking meticulous care of the records, and then stacks them on top of each other.

    It is permissible to stack dirty records prior to cleaning. Clean records are placed in a new, clean, anti-static record sleeve and then returned to their jacket.
    BlueFox wrote: »
    I suppose for a turntable he has a changer.

    Far from it.
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  • The Monoliths
    The Monoliths Posts: 10
    edited March 2009
    comfortablycurt wrote: »
    The Monoliths-Was this really the best place to make your first post on this forum?

    Yes.
    comfortablycurt wrote: »
    Especially when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand?

    That is open to interpretation.
    comfortablycurt wrote: »
    Not try to bash on you or anything...just wondering...

    I've been bashed before. I learned to sing through my tears.
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited March 2009
    Alright then. Welcome to Club Polk.:) Unless you were already here under a different screen name...
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    Audioquest Speaker Cables and IC's
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,945
    edited March 2009
    WTF was the topic?
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,673
    edited March 2009
    The Monoliths......you crack me up. :D

    You other guys need to pay better attention.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • The Monoliths
    The Monoliths Posts: 10
    edited March 2009
    ^^^You have unreasonably high expectations.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,673
    edited March 2009
    Yeah, I'm sure you are right.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited March 2009
    The Monoliths wrote: »
    It is permissible to stack dirty records prior to cleaning. Clean records are placed in a new, clean, anti-static record sleeve and then returned to their jacket.

    Yes. That's right. Since I have not had a record or record player since 1983, I keep forgetting the nuances of record care. Of course, dirty records are impervious to being scratched, while clean records aren't.
    Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

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  • The Monoliths
    The Monoliths Posts: 10
    edited March 2009
    If a record has spent many years being pushed in and pulled out of an abrasive, dirty paper inner sleeve, without serious harm, why do you think simply putting it in a stack of records prior to cleaning would harm it?
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited March 2009
    Nice new moniker The Monoliths . . . I love your write ups. Jesse's right, you guys need to use those burned out memory cells. I thought we were supposed to have an eye (ear) for details as audiophiles.
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  • Polkitup2
    Polkitup2 Posts: 1,640
    edited March 2009
    I had to look at my Calandar to see if it was April 1st, the Monoliths - lol :D
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  • The Monoliths
    The Monoliths Posts: 10
    edited March 2009
    ^^^ You can't pay too much attention to anything said by F1nut or Hearingimpared. They get a huge thrill out of messing with people's heads.
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  • The Monoliths
    The Monoliths Posts: 10
    edited March 2009
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    I thought we were supposed to have an eye (ear) for details as audiophiles.

    They never claimed to be audiophiles.
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  • zombie boy 2000
    zombie boy 2000 Posts: 6,641
    edited March 2009
    treitz3 wrote: »
    WTF was the topic?

    Dada... Dada... Dada...
    This thread is ridiculous. Even by my standards. And my standards include sucker punching hobos. Lots and lots of hobos.
    I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,398
    edited March 2009
    Kex wrote: »
    Now I know you're not Seafart!

    Have to go, but the suspense is über-tingling!

    Think Spidey sense as well as an recent action hero.........perhaps from Gotham.

    Of course I could be wayyyyyyyyyy offfffffff.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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  • AudioGenics
    AudioGenics Posts: 2,567
    edited March 2009
    spiderman spiderman everybodies neighborhood spiderman...
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  • Fongolio
    Fongolio Posts: 3,516
    edited March 2009
    Does Batman use Monster Cable or Nordst perhaps? Or perhaps he can't tell the difference so he just gets dollar store cable and when he needs to grapple hook to the next building.....ooooooohhhhhhh...noooooooooooo!!! Batman plummets to his death!!!
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    Carver TFM-55
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    Rega Planar 3 TT/Shelter 501 MkII
    The Clamp
    Revox A77 Mk IV Dolby reel to reel
    Thorens TD160/Mission 774 arm/Stanton 881S Shibata
    Nakamichi CR7 Cassette Deck
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    Cambridge Audio DACmagic Plus
    ADC Soundshaper 3 EQ
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    Nitty Gritty 1.5FI RCM
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  • Fongolio
    Fongolio Posts: 3,516
    edited March 2009
    joseph.v.chen wrote: »
    spiderman spiderman everybodies neighborhood spiderman...

    Spiderpear, Spiderpear, friendly neighborhood Spiderpear.
    SDA-1C (full mods)
    Carver TFM-55
    NAD 1130 Pre-amp
    Rega Planar 3 TT/Shelter 501 MkII
    The Clamp
    Revox A77 Mk IV Dolby reel to reel
    Thorens TD160/Mission 774 arm/Stanton 881S Shibata
    Nakamichi CR7 Cassette Deck
    Rotel RCD-855 with modified tube output stage
    Cambridge Audio DACmagic Plus
    ADC Soundshaper 3 EQ
    Ben's IC's
    Nitty Gritty 1.5FI RCM
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