Spearker cables..fact or fiction?
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Hmm nice try aint gonna sucker me into it luckily opinions are like arseholes we all have one including yourself;)
Having one and being one is two different things :eek: and I think everyone knows where you fit into the equation. -
Ok not to go down this road again but really scroll back through the posts..I never said there is NO difference I merely said that In my opinion the differences are over rated once you reach a certain quality in your speaker cables other things would give much more instant return than speaker cables starting off with the general quality of ones gear;)At peace was always more happy yes- as like others I come here to share and learn other opinions
heh. of course. i remember you stated that the audible difference was on the order of 0000.0015%.
anyone that hears differences like that has my props.
just the same, why the anxiety over someone else chosing to go with the cable that's 0000.0015% better than yours?
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No anxiety what about the reverse what about everybody else.Their anxiety that I dare choose cat cable of their chosen brands ..how dare I and not even engaging in open dialog..just one insult after the other gimme a break will yah:rolleyes:heh. of course. i remember you stated that the audible difference was on the order of 0000.0015%.
anyone that hears differences like that has my props.
just the same, why the anxiety over someone else chosing to go with the cable that's 0000.0015% better than yours?
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No anxiety what about the reverse what about everybody else.Their anxiety that I dare choose cat cable of their chosen brands ..how dare I and not even engaging in open dialog..just one insult after the other gimme a break will yah:rolleyes:
Just so we're clear the insults are for your approach and attitude NOT because you choose to use something different. Let's not try and confuse the facts. You seem to relish in twisting the situation to fit your needs.
If CAT5 works for you............get your groove on and be happy, but lose the holier than thou attitude and stop challenging everthing/everybody at every turn like YOU have something to prove.
That's why people are giving you a hard time. But, I thought you would have gotten that, as smart as you seem to think you are.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
Ok Heiney in one post I spoke about the monkey on someones back what makes you say I think I'm smart? Again that's YOUR OPINION so I will shut up and respect that now return the favour BE DONE WITH IT:mad:Just so we're clear the insults are for your approach and attitude NOT because you choose to use something different. Let's not try and confuse the facts. You seem to relish in twisting the situation to fit your needs.
If CAT5 works for you............get your groove on and be happy, but lose the holier than thou attitude and stop challenging everthing/everybody at every turn like YOU have something to prove.
That's why people are giving you a hard time. But, I thought you would have gotten that, as smart as you seem to think you are.
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I dont think I'm smart
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please dont even JOKE JOKE JOKE
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Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass
PRACTISE WHAT YOU PREACH
Huh I crit you respond You crit I respond two way street bro cos here it seems that 'ONLY certain members can voice their opinion met by galleries of nodding approval...but Lordie Lord may someone else raise an opinion that Darth Audiogod Vader and the sing along gallery dont approve of and all hell breaks loose!!! -
Did I just step into a Salvador Dali painting?I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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No anxiety what about the reverse what about everybody else.Their anxiety that I dare choose cat cable of their chosen brands ..how dare I and not even engaging in open dialog..just one insult after the other gimme a break will yah:rolleyes:
y'all seem to be getting along fine, more or less, since *you* are getting more comfortable with the fact you are not the only one able to hear differences in cables.
you might be able get along with others even better once you learn to accept that they might want to choose their own cables for themselves.
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WHERE and just where did I state that only I can hear differences in Audio cable.Presumption is dangerous ask George Bush:rolleyes:y'all seem to be getting along fine, more or less, since *you* are getting more comfortable with the fact you are not the only one able to hear differences in cables.
you might be able get along with others even better once you learn to accept that they might want to choose their own cables for themselves.
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I am not getting in the debate on if high end-high dollar audio IC and speaker cables make it sound better, or not. I just want to know why they cost so much?
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OK helmut on check bullet proof vest check safety goggles for the flying sheet.... check:DI am not getting in the debate on if high end-high dollar audio IC and speaker cables make it sound better, or not. I just want to know why they cost so much?
Why they cost so much
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When I started here I used wire from Monster maybe 16 gauge. As I progressed on building a nice system I tried out some inexpensive ($50 to $100) wire/cables. I have to admit I could hear a difference with each one. None of them were horrible but as I changed/tweaked things I found out for myself that cable/wires can give you different results. Since I like a little warmth to my sound I like copper and the tubes in my pre that sound warm in my latest combination of tubes/cables/IC's.
I would never ever use inexpensive/cheap wire because it would always be in the back of my mind that it should be better. Now I use Audioquest Mammoths that are the size of a garden hose. Nice warm rich sound the way "I" like it.
Your not wrong with "your" love for cat whatever wires its just your attitude that stinks. We are a great bunch of guys here, well I am not a great guy, but the other guys here are
Guess who helped me put my system together? You got it!! These guys went out of their way to help this newb out and I appreciate it. I wonder what I'd be listening to today if I had an attitude like yours. I am just trying to talk some sense into you in a nice way.
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Well glade to see this has caused insane amout of posts...LOL
Bottom line..what ever you like...whatever your EAR thinks is best..good for you. Don't care who made it, if it's 12 gauge, or Cat5-6.......what ever floats your boat.......if it sounds great to you..then screw anybody else. It's all in the EAR of the beholder.
I should have never brought this up.....it's pretty much a raging torent. -
Well glade to see this has caused insane amout of posts...LOL
Bottom line..what ever you like...whatever your EAR thinks is best..good for you. Don't care who made it, if it's 12 gauge, or Cat5-6.......what ever floats your boat.......if it sounds great to you..then screw anybody else. It's all in the EAR of the beholder.
I should have never brought this up.....it's pretty much a raging torent.
Its not the subject thats in question any more
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Dude which part of this newbie has been playing with audio for 25 years dont you understand?.Even that statement is wrong I started when I was twelve with my fathers equipment buying upgraded cartriges speaker wires etc so its actually 35 years but with my own bought and built stuff 25 years! I have my own experiences and dont really need guidance I have some awsome listening systems as well as a friend with a hi end audio shops.As for yourself I think its great that they helped you now enjoy anf forget about me;)When I started here I used wire from Monster maybe 16 gauge. As I progressed on building a nice system I tried out some inexpensive ($50 to $100) wire/cables. I have to admit I could hear a difference with each one. None of them were horrible but as I changed/tweaked things I found out for myself that cable/wires can give you different results. Since I like a little warmth to my sound I like copper and the tubes in my pre that sound warm in my latest combination of tubes/cables/IC's.
I would never ever use inexpensive/cheap wire because it would always be in the back of my mind that it should be better. Now I use Audioquest Mammoths that are the size of a garden hose. Nice warm rich sound the way "I" like it.
Your not wrong with "your" love for cat whatever wires its just your attitude that stinks. We are a great bunch of guys here, well I am not a great guy, but the other guys here are
Guess who helped me put my system together? You got it!! These guys went out of their way to help this newb out and I appreciate it. I wonder what I'd be listening to today if I had an attitude like yours. I am just trying to talk some sense into you in a nice way.
Good luck -
I would have never guessed you were that old. Maturity doesn't hit everyone at the same time, I guess."Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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Presumption is dangerous ask George Bush:rolleyes:
You don't have enough posts to mention our great past president.
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Yeah you are right so when are they weening you of that opinionated titty bottle:cool:I would have never guessed you were that old. Maturity doesn't hit everyone at the same time, I guess. -
Political discussionYou don't have enough posts to mention our great past president.
Political discussions are against the rules.
It must be the water here or something George W Bush wonder what the w stands for 
:D:D Oh yeah right just wanted to ask how's that great economy doing there?? ..are economical discussions allowed -
bring it on
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This is the thread that makes Ricardo raise one eyebrow.
Ricardo, u reading this thread?Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
bring it on
Bring what On??? Do you think you're at the park and someone just got your new sneakers dirty and now you want to throw down. Seriously what is wrong with you? "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
What is wrong with me is you keep on laying into me repeatedly and then ask what is wrong with me?You keep on directing stuff towards me all the time **** :cool:what is wrong with you is there is no brain just one giant sized opinion with only one ability to barrage me constantly with insults because you do not have the ability to reason ...so bring it on meaning your barrage duh no brainerBring what On??? Do you think you're at the park and someone just got your new sneakers dirty and now you want to throw down. Seriously what is wrong with you? -
When you stop listening, you stop learning...you're old enough to understand that, no? I have been into hi-fi for 35 years as well--but I learn something new everyday. Note my $14 digital cable on my $1600 digital front-end....Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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Dude which part of this newbie has been playing with audio for 25 years dont you understand?.Even that statement is wrong I started when I was twelve with my fathers equipment buying upgraded cartriges speaker wires etc so its actually 35 years but with my own bought and built stuff 25 years! I have my own experiences and dont really need guidance I have some awsome listening systems as well as a friend with a hi end audio shops.As for yourself I think its great that they helped you now enjoy anf forget about me
I am not a "dude" for starters. You can use help, everyone can use some amount of help. No one knows it all. So you know, I was not attacking you just trying to help settle things down with some sensible information. You obviously only want to be confrontational even with me for god knows what reason. Trouble makers like you are why we have to have moderators. Its sad some people like you do not know how to conduct yourself. I actually feel sorry for you. -
WHERE and just where did I state that only I can hear differences in Audio cable. ...
fair enough. if you're such a firm believer in that many folks can hear differences in audio cables like you, why would you assume that everyone else would settle for the same 0000.0015% worse cables that you settled for?
i mean, you don't think you're, like, a cable czar or something,.. do you?
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Just got back from work, looked up this thread...5 f$%k pages of this BS...comme on guys, give it a rest. Surely you can find something more usefull to do with your time...TIME FOR THIS THREAD TO END...;)
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So again scroll up where did I say I am to old to learn I said I dont need much guidance as I have more than one comprehensive listening system already.I often review new stuff and like sharing my opinions and findings but preferably with people that have the ability to engage in conversation and debate with reason;)When you stop listening, you stop learning...you're old enough to understand that, no? I have been into hi-fi for 35 years as well--but I learn something new everyday. Note my $14 digital cable on my $1600 digital front-end....
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