Power Cords realy help!

reeltrouble1

It is Entertainment!!!!!!

What can I say, we are apparently very bored.

Waaaaaaaaa, crackpot meltdown

RT1

johnADA

Well I'm still waiting for a supportable answer, other than I hear ghosts!!!

Now if I go on Bens premise of the cord just meeting spec, but possibly having a voltage drop due to it just meeting specs.Then why arent we all changing out our wall cabling, since that too is UL listed per amp draw and electrical contractor I've ever met has exceeded what is listed to be used with X amp circuit. That since its a much longer run, would make more sense. You've got more possibility of a drop that might hamper performance, then a couple of feet of cord.

Oh, then according to Dragon, its because of what I listen too, how loud, how often, what equipment and so fourth. So that tells me after I would answer that question-s, it would then be something thats not quite up to whomever specs that is the problem.

Yes, I've read both supporting arguments and the ghosts as to this topic and can recite them on and instance of notice. Big deal, the arguments of not working have validity, alot of supportive data of many a source. The other side is hearing ghosts and nothing to support it. There have been series of testing done with thousands of people from lay persons to highly regarded Audiophiles, same results.

You got how many highly regarded, high dollar manufacturers of audio/video equipment selling to very high pocket individuals that wouldnt care less if they added another $100 for power cords. WHY ARE THE MAKERS not adding them if its so much a difference??

Oh thats right, since it such a great unit it wont show as greatly, only mid hi fi and lower is the useage point.

Come on boys, something other than ghosts.
You can measure radiation of electrical RFI and EMI type emissions and see if that new fancy cord cut it down!
You can measure that fancy cord against the cheap one and see if there is any voltage drop, amp drop or whatever.
If it exists, show the data.
There has to be some data of some sort if those cables are to do what they do other than I hear ghosts!!!!

ben62670

John is fairly well written for a 13 year old. He does act like a typical teenager though.

PolkWannabie

Someone woke up on the wrong side of the rock ... Again ...

Deadof_knight

John I take it your a union(blinders on) electrician, That installs household wiring (not to insult any other that might be), If you dont believe then please talk about something else or hey try it yourself. Really dont go away ...... JUST LEAVE.

ben62670

John is even funnier than I was. Its good for a laugh.

TN_Polk_Lover

reeltrouble1 wrote:

Dragon,
My power cables have the Good House Keeping seal., They sound Good so I Keep them in the House.

RT1

ROFL !!!!!!!!!

Robert

TN_Polk_Lover

johnADA wrote:

. . . . There have been series of testing done with thousands of people from lay persons to highly regarded Audiophiles, same results. . . .

John,
Can you provide links, or references to these "series of testing done with thousands of people". I would be interested in reading about them.

dragon1952

johnADA wrote:

Well I'm still waiting for a supportable answer, other than I hear ghosts!!!

Oh, then according to Dragon, its because of what I listen too, how loud, how often, what equipment and so fourth. So that tells me after I would answer that question-s, it would then be something thats not quite up to whomever specs that is the problem.

Yes, I've read both supporting arguments and the ghosts as to this topic and can recite them on and instance of notice.

I didn't say that, did I? If your reading comprehension is that bad how are we ever to believe what you are regurgitating to us?
I said I'd be interested to see what you yourself have experimented on. And since you didn't answer, obviously the answer is 'I haven't done any of my own experimentation'. That's all you had to say. But, of course, I had that figured out already.
What you listen to, how loud or how often has no bearing. Equipment does as well as how you listen...i.e. 'I listen to music in the background on a boombox vs I listen critically, observing every tiny nuance in the music, while sitting in the sweet spot with decent components.'...or somewhere in between those 2 answers maybe? It certainly does matter.
All of us have already read these tests and theories that you keep bringing up. We decided to see for ourselves instead of being close-minded little Mr. Spocks who just blindly accept any theory that appears logical without actually seeing for ourselves. We are 'converts' who possibly once thought as you and have now 'seen the light'. You're preaching to those who have disproven those theories hence your opinions have no substance. How can you go through life just repeating what others think and expect to have any credibility? It's one thing to have experienced on your own as confirmation and then preach. At least then you might get a little respect for your 'opinion' . :rolleyes:

johnADA

dragon1952 wrote:

I'd rather hear how many and which power cables he has auditioned in his own system(s), what his system consists of, how many systems and/or components he has gone through, his listening habits, what kind of listening room or area, listening position, etc. that has led him to his own conclusions vs just repeating what others have said.

Right here Dragon.

Which and how many cords. Then depending on my answer, you'll find faults.
Listening habits include, how often, how loud etc. Then again you'll find fault.
Type of equipment and so fourth. You'll find some loop hole somewhere.

Now anybody can do a google search and find AB, ABX test galore that in toal used 1000's of people, outcome like flipping a coin.
You'll also find 100's of topics written by highly regarded audiophiles, either homebrewed, magazine affiliated and so fourth, same outcome, snake oil.

You'll find few backers that have NO DATA, hear ghosts.

But supporting again, you have the brain.
Amazing piece of flesh.
Has a few known traits that explain this.
Its gullible, the use of suggestion works wonders. Look at placebo's, simple example, power of suggestion works.
Ego/ Gratifacation, just look at sig lines. Look what I got!! Its and Audio forum, who are you trying to impress!!!

Ghosts!!

dragon1952

johnADA wrote:

Right here Dragon.

"Its gullible, the use of suggestion works wonders. Look at placebo's, simple example, power of suggestion works."
Ghosts!!

"It's" is a contraction dude...it has an apostrophe. ..."palcebos" doesn't...if it did it would mean 'placebo is' or 'placebo has'.....and I think you mean 'It's gullibility'. "It's gullible" doesn't work in the manner you used it. And it's 'gratification'....not 'gratifacation'.
I think you've been doing the wrong type of studying. Your lack of intelligence is showing in more than one way. Here's some help on "it's".

The It's vs. Its page

If you're confused by these two little words, you've come to the right place. (Not that there aren't other right places.)

It's is a contraction for it is or it has.

Its is a possessive pronoun meaning, more or less, of it or belonging to it.

And there is absolutely, positively, no such word as its'.
A simple test

If you can replace its in your sentence with it is or it has, then your word is it's; otherwise, your word is its.
Another test

Its is the neuter version of his and her. Try plugging her into your sentence where you think its belongs. If the sentence still works grammatically (if not logically) then your word is indeed its.
Examples

It's been good to know you. Contraction: it has
It's a bird! It's a plane! Contraction: it is

The dodo bird is known for its inability to fly. Possessive pronoun: its inability = the dodo bird's inability

dragon1952

People like you (primarily the uneducated BTW) once believed the Earth was flat!

The Real Flat Earthers

The myth that Christians in the Middle Ages thought the world was flat was given a massive boost by Andrew Dickson White's weighty tome The Warfare of Science with Theology. This book has become something of a running joke among historians of science and it is dutifully mentioned as a prime example of misinformation in the preface of most modern works on science and religion. The flat Earth is discussed in chapter 2 and one can almost sense White's confusion that hardly any of the sources support his hypothesis that Christians widely believed in it. He finds himself grudgingly admitting that Clement, Origen, Ambrose, Augustine, Isodore, Albertus Magnus and Aquinas all accepted the Earth was a globe - in other words none of the great doctors of the church had considered the matter in doubt. Although an analysis of what White actually says suggests he was aware that the flat Earth was largely a myth, he certainly gives an impression of ignorant Christians suppressing rational knowledge of its real shape.

Luckily for White there were then, as there are now, a few fringe writers who could be counted upon to support any point of view no matter how wild. Cosmas Indicopleustes was one such man. He was a merchant traveller who retired to become a monk in the Egyptian desert where he wrote a treatise on Christian Topology that included his flat Earth cosmology. It was widely ignored at the time and Christian scholars like John Philoponus derided it as the work of an uneducated fool. So it was and it was soon forgotten. Because it was written in Greek, it was unavailable and unknown in the Latin West where, contrary to White's insinuations, it had no influence at all. First published with a Latin translation only in 1776, the book has since gained far wider recognition that it ever had in its day.

Lactantius was another church father who did seem sure the earth was flat but no one paid much attention to him either. Other early Christians may well have simply been using common language that we still use today. Saying "to the ends of the earth", "the four corners of the world" or "the sun sank into the sea" does not make you a flat Earther and we should treat ancient people with the same generosity. What can be stated categorically was that a flat Earth was at no time ever an element of Christian doctrine and that no one was ever persecuted or pressurised into believing it. This is interesting because the Bible itself implies the Earth is flat (for example at Daniel 4:11 or 4:8 in Catholic Bibles) and most of its writers (certainly those of the Old Testament) probably thought so. Clearly, belief in the complete scientific accuracy of the scriptures against known facts was not upheld by the early or medieval church who were happy to accept a figurative interpretation. You can read a full analysis of the different writers who have mentioned the shape of the earth in the e-book The Flat Earth by 'Ethical Atheist'.

Anti-clerical history of science writers have promulgated the myth so that even today, in his book The Discoverers, Daniel Boorstin manages to produce a totally misleading account (although he eventually gets Columbus right). His bias shows badly when he castigates Christians for thinking the world was flat when they did not and then praises the erudition of Chinese geographers who actually did believe it. The myth is so prevalent that the blurb on the back cover of the UK version of Umberto Eco's Serendipities, the editor repeats the myth even though within the book itself, Eco devotes a good deal of attention to debunking it!

The doyen of historians of Medieval Science, Edward Grant, covers the issue in his new book, God and Reason in the Middle Ages where he finds all educated people in the Middle Ages were well aware the Earth was a sphere. Perhaps today we can at last dispense with this patronising belief about the Christian Middle Ages.

dragon1952

Here's another organization you can join. They have measurements too!

The Flat Earth Society

Why a Flat Earth?

* Why we don't believe the world is round
* Scientific data and measurements backing up our claims!

bikezappa

In the third century B.C. in Alexandria Eratosthenes not only proved the earth was round he calculated the circumference of the earth with an error of only a few percent, a remarkable achievement for 2,200 years ago. Eratosthenes only tools were sticks, eyes, feet and brains, plus a taste for experiment.

I bet no one can tell me how he did it.

hearingimpared

I'm so impressed with how the Signal Cable power cables improved the sound of my preamp and power amps that I am having custom cables made for my turntable, VPI power conditioner and Oppo. The customization will be that the IEC will be removed and I'll solder the bare ended wired to either a circuit board or to the turntable motor itself.

dragon1952

bikezappa wrote:

In the third century B.C. in Alexandria Eratosthenes not only proved the earth was round he calculated the circumference of the earth with an error of only a few percent, a remarkable achievement for 2,200 years ago. Eratosthenes only tools were sticks, eyes, feet and brains, plus a taste for experiment.

I bet no one can tell me how he did it.

I know....he upgraded the power cord on his abacus. :cool:

EDIT:
Never mind...you said he just used sticks

bikezappa

I think he also needed some method of recording time, hours, minutes seconds.

That's a hint.

He used a solar power abacus.

dragon1952

A sundial and the stars maybe.

bikezappa

Sun dial. I wonder how accurate you can make them tell time? Minutes???

dragon1952

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes

johnADA

By the amount of posts associated with most of the defenders of Power cords I will offer a suggestion.

Tomorrow being Valentines day, do yourself and another a favor.

Upgrade your Power Cord, Banana Plug or whatever you may call it.
Give up on the wrist aerobics.
Don't get on the net at all.

The hum from that self oscillating banana plug should disappear and a more pleasurable audio sound should arise if the upgrade went right!

ben62670

It s funny how people that "don't believe in something" spend soo much time arguing about it. This guy cracks me up. He is like the energizer bunny. He keeps going, and going, and going. We need an animated emoticon of a shaking laughing head.

hearingimpared

johnADA wrote:

By the amount of posts associated with most of the defenders of Power cords I will offer a suggestion.

Tomorrow being Valentines day, do yourself and another a favor.

Upgrade your Power Cord, Banana Plug or whatever you may call it.
Give up on the wrist aerobics.
Don't get on the net at all.

The hum from that self oscillating banana plug should disappear and a more pleasurable audio sound should arise if the upgrade went right!

May I make a suggestion to you dear boy. . . take your posts and place them where the sun don't shine and maybe, just maybe you'll shake up your brains!!!

disneyjoe7

Well just ordered another 300' of speaker cable from BlueJean cable (Belden 12/2 speaker wire) now up to $250 in speaker wire that is in the attic or walls. I pulled out some zip cord which was there prior the $$ I would have saved if I believed any of the **** on this thread.

But the entertainment value here can't be beat.

snow

johnADA wrote:

By the amount of posts associated with most of the defenders of Power cords

Defenders? we arent on trial here. We are not defending anything. We know what sounds better. You on the other hand are trying to defend your statement that there is no improvement. With your childish incoherent babblings. This coupled with an apparent total lack of ability to learn or even try new things and ideas, shows me a picture of an disturbed individual that has finally resorted to childish insults. I no longer wish to hear anymore from you, so on the ignore list you go. SNOW

ben62670

Where is he? I need a laugh

hearingimpared

ben62670 wrote:

Where is he? I need a laugh

He's somewhere sitting on his brains!!!:D

disneyjoe7

I think are friend has been committed

hearingimpared

Yeah, commited to making himself look foolish with every keystroke!

Holydoc

Oh it has gotten quiet in this thread. So has the witch hunt finally ended? BTW... who ended up being the witch and who was the hunter?

:rolleyes: