Power Cords realy help!

dragon1952

Last time I saw him he was filling out his application to join the Flat Earth Society

johnADA

snow wrote:

Defenders? we arent on trial here. We are not defending anything. We know what sounds better.

Good thing your not.
Based upon what has been given and the way the court systems work, you would lose.
Only on this particular forum, does this OPINION of cable working has a foot hold.
No other forum out there and there are many ,that have more overall knowledge of the full scheme of audio system enhancments etc, does this topic even begin to get defended. Its actually the other way around, cable believers are hammered as hard as you tried upon me. But at least they arent as childish in attacks as you are.
Every audiphile source out there is waiting upon some form of stable proof cables work. They do however allow a slight loop hole for existance of such workings to show some compassion.

I'm the one highly entertained by watching a lackluster defense of your stance.
Science is wrong.
Electrical Engineering practices are wrong
Electrical society as whole is wrong.
Common sense and the list goes on.

I'd be more impressed if either you or the manufacturers did something along the lines of the following.
Bath the standard power cord in electrical interference, then the godly one and show the difference.
A voltage change between the 2 cords.
In other words something solid.
The ad could read, when you can not seperate your cords due to neatness or whatever, use our cord to reduce the interference induced by this condition for a more richer sound system.
Why dont they?????
Why do they cater to such a small sector, unknown the the buying power of the majority????
I do know the FTC finds such claims and shuts them down, why?

This is more like the magnet fuel saver then any other gimmick in the audio world. Except maybe, well you probably own them allready. Those nice neat holder to keep interconnects from ghosting in the floors!!!!

Now go back to your hand aerobics.
Post a 100 more times as the wife uses her self osicallating banana plug.
Maybe actually listen to your gear instead of sitting on the net all day.
Hell, actually leave that computer room and see a whole world outside!!

reeltrouble1

Electrical Engineering practices are wrong
Electrical society as whole is wrong.

Nope. You missed the mark.

JohnADA is wrong.

The measurements John, you need to get them, seek them, covet them, enshrine them, link them, we need the measurements.

WoW--Club Polk Forum members are supporting the entire Power Cord industry all by themselves??? Fantastic News. Guys we need to flex a bit then, lets do a hostile takeover of Shunyata, apparently we are their only source of revenue, Tell them either F1Nut is president or we are not buying their stuff and they are immediately headed for bankruptcy. Maybe the Anti Hi-Fi Audio Insurgent will send his market research to Shunyata so they are aware of our Power.

Club Polk Rocks.

RT1--Thats my line.
now bite my hook.

m00npie

johnADA wrote:

Now go back to your hand aerobics.
Post a 100 more times as the wife uses her self osicallating banana plug.
Maybe actually listen to your gear instead of sitting on the net all day.
Hell, actually leave that computer room and see a whole world outside!!

That's the pot calling the kettle black! Perhaps you should take your own advice.

Folks, please do the following...

Click on johnADA's user name > Choose 'View Public Profile' > On the right hand side, choose 'Add johnADA to your ignore list'

It's that easy.

SCompRacer

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bikezappa

Do I dare? I do.

I will hopefully try to add to this power cord debate without pissing off everyone. First it appears that John has some difficulty expressing himself scientifically on this thread. I do also but I will try anyway. Maybe this is not his first language, I don’t know but sentence structure goes a long way to explaining complex engineering subjects.

First, I don’t say people don’t hear differences with different power cords that cost up to $1,000. I have an engineering background in electronics and will say that the engineering reasons that people claim that allow them to hear these differences such as low noise, stable voltage, less interference are not true. If you hear a difference in power cords it’s not because of one of those.

Second, the reasons are as follows. The line voltage varies with time. The electric company allows the voltage to your home to vary. It’s worse with brown outs where the voltage drops the most. High costing power cords can’t improve the AC voltage to your home or electric outlet or to your equipment. The real voltage that controls your electronic amplifiers is the DC voltage from the built in power supply. The power supply in your amplifier filters interference and converts the 120AC to about 20Volts DC.

Third, cables can removal of interference, static and other electro magnetic energy. The electric power to your home is the result of hundreds of miles of electric wire in a series and parallel connection. The electrons go every where. If there is interference in your wiring from the power plant wiring to your home an electric cord will not remove it with out a filter. By the way, there are filters designed in all electronic power supplies to remove this interference. A shielded power cord my reduce electric interference in that 6’ length but it will not remove the interference induced in the hundred miles of not shielded wire. This the basis of Ohms laws in a series parallel connection in your home. If there is electrical interference in the wire ANYWHERE a power cord can’t remove it, only a filter can. Your audio circuits don’t know and don’t care what’s on the AC side of the power transformer. What they’re interested in is the DC voltages they need. A battery power amplifier would be the best, no kidding.

I think people get upset and all pissed off because the cable thing just doesn’t make sense from and engineering point of view. If I told you that putting mustard on my power cable improved the sound you probably wouldn’t believe me. But if I passed a double blind test and could tell you when the mustard was on the cable or not maybe you would believe me. Now that would be interesting because we would have found out some new material/electrical characteristics of mustard that effect the filter capabilities of wire. Maybe we could make a better cable/filter with mustard.

So if you want to use science to say power cables make a difference do the double blind test first to prove that it really is there. If you don’t want to do the double blind test, then it’s your opinion and that is fine also because it’s your money and if it makes you have a better listening experience that’s good too.

I think the emotion comes from the use of scientific terms to explain the differences power cords can make and then the lack of science to prove they exist. If power cords can make equipment sound different it would be very interesting to really find out what is going on.

Hope every one is happy.

Music is the best.

shack

I don't care.

ben62670

Hey bike I agree with a lot of what your saying. The couple things that I would like to state are, the interference that I was talking about is from just the outlet to the piece of equipment in question. It is very hard to keep other cables from touching AC lines so shielding does help. I don't think anyone was saying that better power cables actually improve the voltage. Some cables do actually have filters built into them. Also if you have an amp that draws 1440 watts like mine then the 16ga is inadequate.

The bunny is back!

hearingimpared

shack wrote:

I don't care.

Neither do I.

disneyjoe7

shack wrote:

I don't care.

Does anyone? I think we all don't care what JohnADA thinks anymore or we never did. We're all just brunt out on this thread.

bikezappa

[ It is very hard to keep other cables from touching AC lines so shielding does help.

Good point. That makes sense that the line cord could induce into the shielded IC.

I don't think anyone was saying that better power cables actually improve the voltage. Some cables do actually have filters built into them.

I thought some one did, my fault.

The electronic part also has a filter so I don't think the extra filter will help, but it can maybe.

Also if you have an amp that draws 1440 watts like mine then the 16ga is inadequate.

Correct, but the manufacturer of the electronic component is at fault.

Did it get warm?

Thanks for the response.

WilliamM2

Correct, but the manufacturer of the electronic component is at fault.

Did it get warm?

Actually, for a 6 foot power cord drawing 1440 watts (12amps), 16 guage is more than adequate, it will have a voltage drop of .6v. Even an 18 guage cord would work (.9v drop), and that's usually what is supplied stock.

That may sound like a lot, but the 12/2 running from you fuse panel will have a larger drop than that if it is 25 feet or longer.

dragon1952

johnADA wrote:

Only on this particular forum, does this OPINION of cable working has a foot hold.
No other forum out there and there are many ,that have more overall knowledge of the full scheme of audio system enhancments etc, does this topic even begin to get defended. Its actually the other way around, cable believers are hammered as hard as you tried upon me. But at least they arent as childish in attacks as you are.

There are probably just as many non-believers here as on any other forum. People just got tired of arguing about it. It's why this thread was dead until SamNoise (a newbee) had to drag it back to life. It had been dead for over a year. Every single audio forum has a thread exactly like this one that you could dig up. The bottom line is that you would have to dig it up because anyone that's been around awhile is tired of it. It's only the people that are new to the argument that want to talk about it anymore. Yeah, you'll get a few responses but it will die rather quickly.

tonyb

dragon1952 wrote:

Last time I saw him he was filling out his application to join the Flat Earth Society

Yeah...and landing on the moon was shot in a studio......Love these guys........:)

Wonder how Mr. Science feels about religion ?

reeltrouble1

Maybe you need a two thousand dollar power cord? Yep, they have them.

my amp draws more than 1440, way more. Yep, the 25 ft rule I have seen and have no doubt.

Dragon, got the cord, its awesome, improved bass response being the most noticeable difference. Thanks man, I will post a picture up soon.

I called my local hospital told them to stop using those heavy power cords and connector's on their operating machines life saving type devices. They said something about "crackpot" "police", I hung up, but damm I believe that is a siren.........................yikes.

RT1

zombie boy 2000

Run RT!!!! Run!!! The Anti-wire Gestapo have unleashed the hounds!!!

PolkThug

I'm sure nobody here would have trouble distinguishing power cords in an ABX test. /sarcasm

shack

My goal in life is to prove something I already know to someone that has no intention of believing it./sacrcasm

SKsolutions

Is there some device keeping this thread alive. Someone unplug it, please.

PolkThug

SKsolutions wrote:

Is there some device keeping this thread alive. Someone unplug it, please.

I can't believe you bumped this thread again.





..oh crap

shack

SKsolutions wrote:

Is there some device keeping this thread alive. Someone unplug it, please.

Shame on you....Redundant rhetoric is a beautiful thing....

dorokusai

SKsolutions wrote:

Is there some device keeping this thread alive. Someone unplug it, please.

We're using a Signal Cable Magic Power cord, so there's no telling what life this thread has. I've been told, off the record, that this thread inspired the movie Bridge to Terabithia.

PolkThug

dorokusai wrote:

We're using a Signal Cable Magic Power cord, so there's no telling what life this thread has. I've been told, off the record, that this thread inspired the movie Bridge to Terabithia.

Of course! It all makes sense now.

reeltrouble1

SKsolutions wrote:

Someone unplug it, please.

The first time I did this, I found the power cord does indeed matter, although, I did have an extremely quiet background.

Yep, Frank's Power Cords and other products are winners, not exactly a news flash though, at least around this haunt.

RT1

zombie boy 2000

Well... the Heretics of Altruistic and Coupon-clipping Science have finally had their way. Frank is closing up shop and opening an Orange Julius stand.

Deadof_knight

The power cord feeding this forum must be way undersized and unsheilded, alot of back ground noise is evident..during slow passages.

TN_Polk_Lover

TN_Polk_Lover wrote:

John,
Can you provide links, or references to these "series of testing done with thousands of people". I would be interested in reading about them.

John, Cat got your tongue?


Robert

dorokusai

He doesn't have anything Robert, it's all talk.

John - If you want some interesting information, check out the white papers from www.mitcables.com When you get street cred, like Bruce Brisson, let me know. Remember, I'm not trying to convert anyone, as I don't really care either way.....its just an opinion.

hearingimpared

reeltrouble1 wrote:

The first time I did this, I found the power cord does indeed matter, although, I did have an extremely quiet background.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA what was the voltage drop across it then? LOL

disneyjoe7

hearingimpared wrote:

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA what was the voltage drop across it then? LOL

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