Power Cords realy help!

johnADA

hearingimpared wrote:

So not only do you insult us, you mock us also. . . You are a closed minded so and so. If you read the test result genius, 40 some percent got it right. . .that means that people do hear a difference. . . I would love to spew some explicatives at you but I think I am just adding you to my ignore list. . . I recommend that the rest of our and I paraphrase "non-bright" forum members place you on the ignore list.

See ya wouldn't want to be ya!!!

40% "GUESSED" right.
If you read, people asked how they did thinking it was some kind of real test that was passable or fail able and meant something, it didnt.

If you dont get a majority answer by a large margin either way, then nothing exists, merely a guessing game.

If a cable has some form of filter within its structure, that filter could add a sonic signature that you could measure.

But were talking about copper, maybe silver, shielding and insulation and you act like they have different traits.
How many copper/silver mines are in the world?
How many smelters that make the coils?
99% pure copper wire is 99% pure copper wire and the same applies to the other metal of which wire can be made of.
Then under that, the few wire coil manufacturers sell to a few more finished goods makers. All cables in rare coil form, without terminus ends come from a handful. You as a purchaser of such raw cable, purchase your cable with the cable type etc in printed onto the cable and can have your name, your numbers, your color too. If you could trace a wire back , step by step, elcheapo wire was made by the same maker as Mr, GODLY wire. Mr. Godly may have boughten a heavier gauge than elcheapo, asked for a thicker ply insulation etc, but its the same wire producer. If you think that all these fancy maker names of wires produce the wire, YOUR CERTIFIABLE!!!!
I know this to be 100% fact since I AM IN the exact types of business!!!
We make products you buy everyday, YES, ones you have right now in your house. We make the same part, with the same coil stock for thousands of names merchants and you pick X brand over Y brand because of this and that, yet, same machine, same coil etc made if for the thousands of vendor we deal with World Wide. So if you think you can avoid my product and buy from China, guess what, still came from us!!!!!!!

Ignore me, I do not care!!!! But it seems you keep coming back for more and still on this non provable, holds no sway what so ever, I can hear and see these things. Nope, once the basic requirements of a wire is met, its over no matter how fancy the packaging is!!!!
There is a saying within this arena of where diminishing return on monies spent is brought up. Yup at about a mono price/ blue Jeans cable arena!!!!!! Hell even Wally Mart Phillips cable!!!

snow

johnADA wrote:

40% "GUESSED" right.
If you read, people asked how they did thinking it was some kind of real test that was passable or fail able and meant something, it didnt.

If you dont get a majority answer by a large margin either way, then nothing exists, merely a guessing game.

If a cable has some form of filter within its structure, that filter could add a sonic signature that you could measure.

But were talking about copper, maybe silver, shielding and insulation and you act like they have different traits.
How many copper/silver mines are in the world?
How many smelters that make the coils?
99% pure copper wire is 99% pure copper wire and the same applies to the other metal of which wire can be made of.
Then under that, the few wire coil manufacturers sell to a few more finished goods makers. All cables in rare coil form, without terminus ends come from a handful. You as a purchaser of such raw cable, purchase your cable with the cable type etc in printed onto the cable and can have your name, your numbers, your color too. If you could trace a wire back , step by step, elcheapo wire was made by the same maker as Mr, GODLY wire. Mr. Godly may have boughten a heavier gauge than elcheapo, asked for a thicker ply insulation etc, but its the same wire producer. If you think that all these fancy maker names of wires produce the wire, YOUR CERTIFIABLE!!!!
I know this to be 100% fact since I AM IN the exact types of business!!!
We make products you buy everyday, YES, ones you have right now in your house. We make the same part, with the same coil stock for thousands of names merchants and you pick X brand over Y brand because of this and that, yet, same machine, same coil etc made if for the thousands of vendor we deal with World Wide. So if you think you can avoid my product and buy from China, guess what, still came from us!!!!!!!

Ignore me, I do not care!!!! But it seems you keep coming back for more and still on this non provable, holds no sway what so ever, I can hear and see these things. Nope, once the basic requirements of a wire is met, its over no matter how fancy the packaging is!!!!
There is a saying within this arena of where diminishing return on monies spent is brought up. Yup at about a mono price/ blue Jeans cable arena!!!!!! Hell even Wally Mart Phillips cable!!!

Grow up - Get over it. You arent convincing anyone with your babble. SNOW

shack

johnADA wrote:

I'll even personally ask J-Mac what is opinion is on these cables, but I have a hunch he is brighter than the believers here!!!!!!!!!

I'm with hearingimpared. I'm bright enough to make another addition to my ignore list. Your drivel isn't worth the effort to scoll past.

SCompRacer

Do the wires don't make a difference crusade telling people they are certifiable pay well or is it just a public service kind of thing?

W WALDECKER

SCompRacer wrote:

Do the wires don't make a difference crusade telling people they are certifiable pay well or is it just a public service kind of thing?

Yeah Rich, i was kind of wondering that myself

Ferres

The flaw in the 'www.hometheaterhifi.com' test was they used super highend gear.

Cable benefits appear more with mid-fi and on the pre-amp/processing side.

Super Highend gear compensates well with weaker cables as long as they have the proper gauge.

Try that test with an older avreciever instead of separates.

Deadof_knight

If youve ever seen the power cord on my Yamaha mx-830 you would replace it too. Just for astetic reasons if nothing else.....

I dont know what the big deal is all about its a preference thing if you can tell by now. Id like to think in all my efforts everything I do for my system makes a difference in one way or the other. If it sounds better great , but not all people are not believers and Im not forcing my opinion on them..... sooo what the heck I got mine you got yours.

Do quality rca's sound better than the 1.00 jobs ....yes they do. Will your sports car drive down the road the same if you put higher quality tires on ...yes it drives down the road the same but it handles different in the corners and in the rain..... SOOOOO again its a matter of preference. IMHO

PolkWannabie

johnADA wrote:

If you dont get a majority answer by a large margin either way, then nothing exists, merely a guessing game.

If you took a random sampling of people on the planet and asked them if they liked speakers produced by Bose .vs. any other fill in the blank manufacturer ... Bose would be the hands down favorite ...

By your logic then Bose must manufacturer the best speakers ...

The interesting facet of crowd psychology is that the crowd is usually wrong ...

F1nut

I love it when the crackpots have a meltdown. The entertainment value is off the charts with this one.

hearingimpared

This guy is worse than the other two last week! He just comes right out and throws insults around. . . gotta give him credit though the two last week just threw veiled insults.

ben62670

Dear John I have refrained from posting to the comments you have been posting.

I too did not believe in wire making a difference like you. I was playing around with comments like "educated dummies" ... Having fun picking on these guys for spending "lots of money for prestige" I wish my ears were as bad as yours. I actually had to eat my words. I would have saved quite a bit of money and time. I don't have spare money to go out and buy cables to impress my friends with what I have. One thing that I did say is that I will try different cables, and maybe I'll have to eat my words. I had to eat them. Now I am trying different cables to match my system. All systems have different characteristics. Put 5 different brand receivers next to each other that share electronically the same specs. I guaranty that you will hear a difference between the brands. Maybe you should get your ears checked, or get a different hobby besides bashing people that can hear a difference in sound quality of different components of their system.

Please don't bother to respond to my post. I have wasted enough time reading crap that I too have posted in the past before I actually opened my mind and my ears.

BTW please post what you are using as equipment so we can have a better understanding where you are coming from.

johnADA

Ferres wrote:

the proper gauge.

There is one key thing. The only solid statement made to date from the special hearing crowd that would support a claim of such beyond I hear ghosts!
Others-
Bad connection
Corroded terminals
Frayed wires internally
None Tight fitting terminus

snow

johnADA wrote:

There is one key thing. The only solid statement made to date from the special hearing crowd that would support a claim of such beyond I hear ghosts!
Others-
Bad connection
Corroded terminals
Frayed wires internally
None Tight fitting terminus

Hmmmm....... I havent been to the moon either, but that doesnt make it not exist. Unless you have tried the same things as those mentioned here dont discount other oppinions. It makes you appear foolish. REGARDS SNOW

johnADA

This topic was started as a POWER CORDS.
The cable that carries voltage/amperage.
If it mets UL listing for the voltage/amperage it must carry, changing it out for a Special cable that has no filters, it wasnt having problems as listed above in my prior post, isnt poorly run where nearby elements are inhibiting it somehow, it will do NOTHING.

But now people are adding interconnects and the likes as to support a power cable stance. Different topic, similar though in answer.These beyond Blue Jeans, Mono Price cables which as affordable, offer no improvement also.

snow

johnADA wrote:

This topic was started as a POWER CORDS.
The cable that carries voltage/amperage.
If it mets UL listing for the voltage/amperage it must carry, changing it out for a Special cable that has no filters, it wasnt having problems as listed above in my prior post, isnt poorly run where nearby elements are inhibiting it somehow, it will do NOTHING.

But now people are adding interconnects and the likes as to support a power cable stance. Different topic, similar though in answer.These beyond Blue Jeans, Mono Price cables which as affordable, offer no improvement also.

The UL listing is a minimum requirement for safety reasons only, which has no bearing on whether a better built power cord will make components sound better. its like saying that a chevy chevette is as good as as a rolls royce. sure they both meet minimum requirements to be on the road but which one offers better looks and performance? and which one would rather be in? Your continued arguments on this matter without self testing reflects on your inability to learn. There is nothing wrong with being skeptical about claims that you cant understand, but being close minded is a sure sign of ignorance and gains you nothing. We all are well aware of your thoughts on this matter. You have made us all painfully aware in fact. now go away please. REGARDS SNOW

johnADA

Ah so UL listing means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING I take it.
A power cord is of 2 major factors.
One the copper wire itself, gauge and solid or stranded.
The other is insulation covering.
So what is it EXACTLY that makes a special wire special.

ANSWER THAT IF YOU DARE!!!

snow

johnADA wrote:

Ah so UL listing means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING I take it
So what is it EXACTLY that makes a special wire special.

ANSWER THAT IF YOU DARE!!!

If you take the time to read my response you will find the answer to both your questions. 1. the UL listing does mean something. it means it meets the minimum requirements to be safe. 2. what makes a special wire special is that exceeds the minimum requirements. similar to the chevy chevette versus rolls royce example. I have said all I am going to say on this matter. I feel like i am having am having a debate with a child throwing a temper tantrum because he or she didnt get there way. Its pointless to continue. REGARDS SNOW

Ferres

johnADA wrote:

Ah so UL listing means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING I take it.
A power cord is of 2 major factors.
One the copper wire itself, gauge and solid or stranded.
The other is insulation covering.
So what is it EXACTLY that makes a special wire special.

ANSWER THAT IF YOU DARE!!!

It improves picture quality on a TV/monitor.

Until you find a cable that does something you'll always be a skeptic. I've found cables that did, have swapped them arround with more expensive ones and I still went back to the cables that made me change my skepticism about powercords.

I take a no name brand LCD TV, replace the cords with Isotek and it preforms like a bravia. Colors become richer, reds become redder, orange becomes more vibrant and you are forced to turn down your settings by 3 - 5 levels.

Ferres

I see cables as a means to make mid-fi more high-fi in performance. It kinda follows the rule of diminishing return as you go up the food chain.

reeltrouble1

Maybe if you posted up some more links supporting your cause. Yea, that might do it. Get the data John.

RT1

PolkWannabie

johnADA wrote:

ANSWER THAT IF YOU DARE!!!

ROFLMAO ....

PolkThug

I think I gave some good advice back in May in this same thread: http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showpost.php?p=462789&postcount=45

PolkThug wrote:

John,

Basically, it doesn't really matter if a "widget" makes a real difference or not. If somebody thinks it does, and they enjoy their system more because of it, then its all good.

Regards,
Toby

zombie boy 2000

johnADA wrote:

ANSWER THAT IF YOU DARE!!!

WAAAAAAAAAAA!!!:D

I am now officially going to end every single one of my posts with that demand:D
Whether it's a question or not...

ben62670

johnADA wrote:

Ah so UL listing means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING I take it.
A power cord is of 2 major factors.
One the copper wire itself, gauge and solid or stranded.
The other is insulation covering.
So what is it EXACTLY that makes a special wire special.

ANSWER THAT IF YOU DARE!!!

What a pin head. UL listing which accepts a certain loss of volts, and is designed for safety not performance. Take a look at some of the junk that has a UL listing , and then tell us WTF UL listing has to do with audio. I don't remember the acceptable allowance for voltage drop, but voltage drop does diminish performance. Also if the power cord is shielded, and a lot of juice is running through the power cable the other components are less likely to pick up the noise.

I have to believe that you can't really believe your BS. I have to believe that you are just having fun trying to get people going. I have to believe that you are not that FN stupid! If you are that narrow minded please don't reproduce. There are way to many stupid people in this country.

F1nut

Like I said, the entertainment value is off the charts with this one.

dragon1952

reeltrouble1 wrote:

Maybe if you posted up some more links supporting your cause. Yea, that might do it. Get the data John.
RT1

9 times out of 10 that's the problem in these cases though. The airhead will regurgitate a bunch of stuff that he's read that sounds logical to him. I'd rather hear how many and which power cables he has auditioned in his own system(s), what his system consists of, how many systems and/or components he has gone through, his listening habits, what kind of listening room or area, listening position, etc. that has led him to his own conclusions vs just repeating what others have said. All he's done so far is proven he can read and repeat. And it's stuff that's been around for years and that we have all read along our audio way. These people act like they're clueing us in on something that we didn't know, when in fact they are usually mere pups which we have all evolved past years ago.

reeltrouble1

Dragon,

I hear you, I have no problem with folks who try it and don't get it, however,.......

Just want to help John out, you know, specs and data man, its about measurement, data, analyzation and delivery of the aforementioned to the masses, how about he tackles the determination of the propagation of velocity etc.

My power cables have the Good House Keeping seal., They sound Good so I Keep them in the House.

RT1

dragon1952

Sorry.....that was definitely not meant to knock your question

hearingimpared

I can't believe this guy is still being responded too. I just happened across this thread again and the same thing I said two days ago about this guy are still being said. Ignore the fraud!!!

PolkThug

hearingimpared wrote:

I can't believe this guy is still being responded too. I just happened across this thread again and the same thing I said two days ago about this guy are still being said. Ignore the fraud!!!

Its been going on since before you joined the forum!

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