Power Cords realy help!

read-alot

raife quote
"I think it is wonderful that some (most) people cannot perceive differences in the sound of electonic components and conductors".

I ended all hope of that when I listened to my uncle's reel to reel compared to my father's console back in the 60s. I would love for my uncle to see what he started by introducing me to Hi Fi, rest his soul.

bikezappa

zombie boy 2000 wrote:

Good point bike... and one to which I would willingly concede. If the placebo effect is responsible for my altered perceptions, then where does it benefit me to squabble over the means to this end?

None!

Perception is reality and the whole nine yards....

What is really almost unbelievable is that people who were given placebo drugs and also told that it was the real drug had much higher healing rates than the people that took the placebo drug but didn't know it. And that the body chemisrty of these people had changed more that the people that just took placebo drugs. It appears that telling people that the drug is new and very powerful alone can change the body chemistry for the good.

That's maybe why the F'in whitch docters had such an effect on people. Scare the people to get well.
Oh and by the way the large white hospital could be a big placebo effect.

Bottom line the mind and body are the same thing. IMHO.

sucks2beme

Do they make a difference? I DON"T WANT TO KNOW!!!!!
I say this as I plan a trip over to pick up a set of Kimber Hero IC's.
Last thing I need is another tweaking item!

zombie boy 2000

Bike... over 2500 posts and I have never used an exclamation mark. You go and edit mine and add one. You broke the streak. Thanks:D

reeltrouble1

My point is an individual brain can and in many cases does learn, process and rationalize information differently, thereby, triggering different thought and physical responses to stimuli, these learning processes can be grouped into general categories, a topic far beyond subjectivity which is an effect, not causal to the initial process.

Try googling that.

example--beCAUSE of received stimuli processing by the brain (higher order thinking area) the effect and resultant response of the learner can be subjective. In getting to the meat of I hear/I do not, I hear/Blind Testing says no you don't, I hypothisize the unique functioning of the learning group processes provides the key to the cause/effect relationship. Or how your dominant primary and secondary learning processes effect your ultimate behavior responses.

"Everything depends on Everything"

MadMax--Polk Audio 2006

OK I am bored with this "smart" stuff.

You hear me.........

RT1

bikezappa

zombie boy 2000 wrote:

Bike... over 2500 posts and I have never used an exclamation mark. You go and edit mine and add one. You broke the streak. Thanks:D

Yep, I screwed that up. I was trying to comment on the first part and it got added into the quote.

I'm not good with computers and just learned about the quote option. I'm very slow sometimes.

Is there a negative ! ?

-!

zombie boy 2000

I think the "-!" is a splendid idea and should be used more often. I hate it when my computer screams at me....

PolkThug

reeltrouble1 wrote:

My point is an individual brain can and in many cases does learn, process and rationalize information differently, thereby, triggering different thought and physical responses to stimuli, these learning processes can be grouped into general categories, a topic far beyond subjectivity which is an effect, not causal to the initial process.

Try googling that.

I googled it and it said that what you meant is "people think differently".

Earth shattering stuff -!

DarqueKnight

bikezappa wrote:

However measurement is not the issue, as least not for me. The issue is to prove to me and other buyers that you or anyone else CAN hear the differnce between power cables. This would require a double blind test.

No. The real issue here is that people do not want to go to the time and effort to find out what really works for them. They want to press the "easy button" and have a solution magically fall out of the sky. They want someone else to do all the "dirty work". Well, guess what? If you are in this hobby for real aural satisfaction, there is no easy button. You are going to have to do your own "dirty work". There simply is no substitute for getting your ears on as much gear as possible and building a personal experience database. Sorry.

As far as the much celebrated double blind test, what does it really "prove"? It proves that one person or a group of people did not hear a difference under a certain set of conditions. My personal conditions, my room, my equipment, my ears, are not going to replicate the conditions in the double blind test. In over twenty years of pursuing this hobby, I have never seen a hearing response chart for a reviewer posted in a double blind review or in any other type of review. Sometimes, a reviewer will casually mention that his hearing is in a specific range. For example, if the reviewer's hearing response ranges from 80 Hz to 15 kHz and the equipment produces "differences" in the range of 30 Hz to 75 Hz and 16 kHz to 18 kHz, then for that particular reviewer, there are no perceived differences. It is not that the differences are not there, it is that a particular individual does not have the aural capability to percieve them.

How can anyone "prove" what they do or do not hear? As I stated in my wine tasting analogy, two people can be exposed to the exact same sensory stimuli and have entirely different perceptions and reations.

bikezappa wrote:

I know some people don't believe in double blind testing but I wish them well in a world without these tests because medicine and engineering have successfully used them for many years.

bikezappa wrote:

I just want some evidence that people can hear differnces in a double blind tests with power cords,

You'll just have to read, evaluate, and experiment for yourself. Again, sorry. Really, what is the big deal? If you buy a cord and don't like it, you just return it. All you are out is some time and maybe a few dollars for return shipping or gas back to the retailer.

It appears that you assume that since double blind tests work well in one scenario, that they are applicable to audio as well. I disagree. Let's see if the double blind test is really applicable to tests involving sensory perception. Since you like DB studies so much, here's a good one for you:

Case Study

A brothel owner in Nevada, (hereafter referred to as the "proprietor") only offers vaginal intercourse services and arranges his prostitutes into three categories: good ($50 per episode), better ($100 per episode), and best ($200 per episode).

A potential patron, who is used to paying for the services of the $50 whores, keeps hearing from his best friend about how good the $200 whores are. I mean, his friend keeps telling him that he almost passes out from the simple act of inserting his **** into the vaginas of the $200 whores.

The $50 patron, being a highly skeptical fellow, just can't fathom how the $200 whores can actually be 4X better than what he is getting from the $50 whores. Granted, he knows there are physical differences in women, but all vaginas are built and function basically the same.

The $50 patron makes this proposition to the proprietor: "Let me do a double blind test where I am blind folded and put in a completely dark and sound proof room. Select three women from each of your $50, $100, $200 categories (nine women total) and have them enter the room in random succession. I will pump them a few times, and then tell the "evaluator", my best friend, what it felt like through a microphone placed in the room. A sensor would be attached to my chest to monitor my heart rate, which would indicate my level of excitement. I want to test whether there really is a difference between your levels of "merchandise". First, the patron had to explain to the proprietor that a double-blind test is one where where neither the evaluator nor the subject knows which items are being swithed ("controls"). The proprietor is intrigued by the idea and quickly arranges the test. Only the proprietor will know which woman is being sent into the patron's room at a particular time. The women are instructed to be quiet and lie as motionless as possible and to let the patron do all the "work".

Over a three hour period, the proprietor sends in his women in in random order. A few times, the same woman is sent in up to three times in a row.

During the test, the patron reported that, aside from minor differences in smell and natural lubrication, all of the women felt pretty much the same. The data from the heart rate monitor showed an elevated heart rate, but it was consistant from woman to woman. The proprietor askes that the study be done with the patron and his best friend switching roles as evaluator and subject. Of course, the friend readily agrees.

Over the course of a three hour period, with the same nine women, the proprietor sent his merchandise into the room in random order. A few times, the same woman was sent in up to three times in a row. There was some interruption in the best friend's test because the proprietor sent in three $200 whores in a row, after which the friend passed out and had to be revived over a period of twenty minutes. The test resumed and the whole three hour course was completed.

During the test, the friend reported that some of the women felt "similar", but that he could definitely feel differences between them. The friend's heart rate monitor data showed a direct correlation between heart rate elevation and the price level of **** he was testing. In other words, the higher the price of the ****, the higher the friend's higher heart rate.

The patron was baffled by the discrepancies in the data between himself and his friend. The proprietor, sage old fellow that he was, shed some light on the matter and stated:

"Sir, I don't mean to offend, but as we are engaged in a scientific study, I feel compelled to advise you of certain "material" differences that account for the "discrepancies" in the experimental outcomes. I observed, sir, that your **** is approximately 1" long in the flaccid state and enlarged to approximately 3" long in the erect state with an erect circumference of approximately 2-1/2". All of my whores reported that they could feel you bumping up against them, but, due to the small size of your "member" it was difficult for them to tell if you were inside them or mearly rubbing up against them.

Conversely, sir, your friend is somewhat well endowed with a flaccid **** length of 5-1/2" and an erect length of 9-3/4" and circumference of 7-1/2".

The $200 whores have better vaginal muscle tone and naturally have more ripples and folds in their vaginal walls which contribute to better sensation. Of course, since your **** was barely making contact with the vaginal walls of any of the women, it was impossible for you to accurately gauge differences among them.

My advice to you, sir, is that you discontinue visiting my establisment and find one that specializes in oral sex and hand jobs where smaller sized penises are more easily accomodated. I will be posting a disclaimer in my future advertisements that slightly endowed men, such as yourself, may not get the full benefits of even my lowest priced whores and that my more expensive whores may certainly be a waste of money for you and others of your ilk."

With that, the proprietor tipped his hat, loaded his whores in a van and drove off.

Two subjects, two entirely different outcomes with the same "gear". However, the sensory mechanisms of the two subjects were very different.

Such good reading.

bikezappa

DarqueKnight wrote:

No. The real issue here is that people do not want to go to the time and effort to find out what really works for them. They want to press the "easy button" and have a solution magically fall out of the sky. They want someone else to do all the "dirty work". Well, guess what? If you are in this hobby for real aural satisfaction, there is no easy button. You are going to have to do your own "dirty work". There simply is no substitute for getting your ears on as much gear as possible and building a personal experience database. Sorry.

As far as the much celebrated double blind test, what does it really "prove"? It proves that one person or a group of people did not hear a difference under a certain set of conditions. My personal conditions, my room, my equipment, my ears, are not going to replicate the conditions in the double blind test. In over twenty years of pursuing this hobby, I have never seen a hearing response chart for a reviewer posted in a double blind review or in any other type of review. Sometimes, a reviewer will casually mention that his hearing is in a specific range. For example, if the reviewer's hearing response ranges from 80 Hz to 15 kHz and the equipment produces "differences" in the range of 30 Hz to 75 Hz and 16 kHz to 18 kHz, then for that particular reviewer, there are no perceived differences. It is not that the differences are not there, it is that a particular individual does not have the aural capability to percieve them.

How can anyone "prove" what they do or do not hear? As I stated in my wine tasting analogy, two people can be exposed to the exact same sensory stimuli and have entirely different perceptions and reations.





You'll just have to read, evaluate, and experiment for yourself. Again, sorry. Really, what is the big deal? If you buy a cord and don't like it, you just return it. All you are out is some time and maybe a few dollars for return shipping or gas back to the retailer.

It appears that you assume that since double blind tests work well in one scenario, that they are applicable to audio as well. I disagree. Let's see if the double blind test is really applicable to tests involving sensory perception. Since you like DB studies so much, here's a good one for you:

Case Study

A brothel owner in Nevada, (hereafter referred to as the "proprietor") only offers vaginal intercourse services and arranges his prostitutes into three categories: good ($50 per episode), better ($100 per episode), and best ($200 per episode).

A potential patron, who is used to paying for the services of the $50 whores, keeps hearing from his best friend about how good the $200 whores are. I mean, his friend keeps telling him that he almost passes out from the simple act of inserting his **** into the vaginas of the $200 whores.

The $50 patron, being a highly skeptical fellow, just can't fathom how the $200 whores can actually be 4X better than what he is getting from the $50 whores. Granted, he knows there are physical differences in women, but all vaginas are built and function basically the same.

The $50 patron makes this proposition to the proprietor: "Let me do a double blind test where I am blind folded and put in a completely dark and sound proof room. Select three women from each of your $50, $100, $200 categories (nine women total) and have them enter the room in random succession. I will pump them a few times, and then tell the "evaluator", my best friend, what it felt like through a microphone placed in the room. A sensor would be attached to my chest to monitor my heart rate, which would indicate my level of excitement. I want to test whether there really is a difference between your levels of "merchandise". First, the patron had to explain to the proprietor that a double-blind test is one where where neither the evaluator nor the subject knows which items are being swithed ("controls"). The proprietor is intrigued by the idea and quickly arranges the test. Only the proprietor will know which woman is being sent into the patron's room at a particular time. The women are instructed to be quiet and lie as motionless as possible and to let the patron do all the "work".

Over a three hour period, the proprietor sends in his women in in random order. A few times, the same woman is sent in up to three times in a row.

During the test, the patron reported that, aside from minor differences in smell and natural lubrication, all of the women felt pretty much the same. The data from the heart rate monitor showed an elevated heart rate, but it was consistant from woman to woman. The proprietor askes that the study be done with the patron and his best friend switching roles as evaluator and subject. Of course, the friend readily agrees.

Over the course of a three hour period, with the same nine women, the proprietor sent his merchandise into the room in random order. A few times, the same woman was sent in up to three times in a row. There was some interruption in the best friend's test because the proprietor sent in three $200 whores in a row, after which the friend passed out and had to be revived over a period of twenty minutes. The test resumed and the whole three hour course was completed.

During the test, the friend reported that some of the women felt "similar", but that he could definitely feel differences between them. The friend's heart rate monitor data showed a direct correlation between heart rate elevation and the price level of **** he was testing. In other words, the higher the price of the ****, the higher the friend's higher heart rate.

The patron was baffled by the discrepancies in the data between himself and his friend. The proprietor, sage old fellow that he was, shed some light on the matter and stated:

"Sir, I don't mean to offend, but as we are engaged in a scientific study, I feel compelled to advise you of certain "material" differences that account for the "discrepancies" in the experimental outcomes. I observed, sir, that your **** is approximately 1" long in the flaccid state and enlarged to approximately 3" long in the erect state with an erect circumference of approximately 2-1/2". All of my whores reported that they could feel you bumping up against them, but, due to the small size of your "member" it was difficult for them to tell if you were inside them or mearly rubbing up against them.

Conversely, sir, your friend is somewhat well endowed with a flaccid **** length of 5-1/2" and an erect length of 9-3/4" and circumference of 7-1/2".

The $200 whores have better vaginal muscle tone and naturally have more ripples and folds in their vaginal walls which contribute to better sensation. Of course, since your **** was barely making contact with the vaginal walls of any of the women, it was impossible for you to accurately gauge differences among them.

My advice to you, sir, is that you discontinue visiting my establisment and find one that specializes in oral sex and hand jobs where smaller sized penises are more easily accomodated. I will be posting a disclaimer in my future advertisements that slightly endowed men, such as yourself, may not get the full benefits of even my lowest priced whores and that my more expensive whores may certainly be a waste of money for you and others of your ilk."

With that, the proprietor tipped his hat, loaded his whores in a van and drove off.

Two subjects, two entirely different outcomes with the same "gear". However, the sensory mechanisms of the two subjects were very different.

Such good reading.

WOW.

I sort of lost my train of thought while reading that.

Is this fiction or non fiction? Who cares. You should be writer.

Tell us more please.

That was great.

DarqueKnight

bikezappa wrote:

Tell us more please.

I prefer that you would tell us something now. In such an example as the case study above, how could the well endowed fellow possibly "prove" to the midget peepee fellow that the $200 **** is 4X better?

The well endowed fellow could argue that his "proof" is his elevated heart rate while with the $200 whores and the fact that he passed out after experiencing three of the $200 whores in a row. The $50 patron could counter that, since he was not able to observe the proceedings, the well endowed friend could have passed out due to the $200 whores choking him...and so on and so forth.

bikezappa

DarqueKnight wrote:

I prefer that you would tell us something now. In such an example as the case study above, how could the well endowed fellow possibly "prove" to the midget peepee fellow that the $200 **** is 4X better?

The well endowed fellow could argue that his "proof" is his elevated heart rate while with the $200 whores and the fact that he passed out after experiencing three of the $200 whores in a row. The $50 patron could counter that, since he was not able to observe the proceedings, the well endowed friend could have passed out due to the $200 whores choking him...and so on and so forth.

What an imagination and what attention to detail. Do you think these fantasies up while you listen to music? If so, what power cables are you using. I'll by them. How much?

bikezappa

There once was a man with a flaccid **** length of 5-1/2" and a circumference of 3" with an erect length of 6" and circumference of 14".

They called him "The Tuna Can."

PolkThug

DarqueKnight wrote:

How can anyone "prove" what they do or do not hear?

Simple, do the abx in your own home. If the ABX was in your own home, and you couldn't tell the difference, would you conclude that there really wasn't a difference, or would you conclude the ABX test was faulty?

dragon1952

I know you'll say 'I told you so' but I'll say it anyway. The Integra is a great receiver for HT but it's not in the same category for music. I owned one before I decided to concentrate on 2-channel so I'm speaking from experience. Just saying that I'm not surprised a power cord didn't make a noticable difference there. I tried it myself. In fact it was probably the first piece I ever owned with a detachable power cord. There are too many things in the signal chain when you're dealing with most A/V receivers , even in Direct mode or whatever they call it, as well as inferior preamplifier and amplifier sections when compared to quality separates. If you ever decide to build a quality 2-channel system maybe you can try again with better results. That's a very nice HT receiver though.

PolkThug

dragon1952 wrote:

I know you'll say 'I told you so' but I'll say it anyway. The Integra is a great receiver for HT but it's not in the same category for music.

Snob!!!


lol

DarqueKnight

bikezappa wrote:

What an imagination and what attention to detail.

Thank you.

bikezappa wrote:

Do you think these fantasies up while you listen to music?

I usually have music playing in the background whether I am at home, in my office at work, or in my car. My literary inspiration typically comes from things that I have personally experienced in some form. The inspriration of the previous case study came from a conversation I overheard between two of my friends who were discussing their experiences with the same woman. In audio, as with most things in life, the experiences of others (reviews, laboratory evaluations, etc.) are informative up to a point. Although it is not a philosophy I subscribe to, I do realize that the experiences of other people can be very satisfying for those who prefer vicarious living to personal experience.

If I did take some literary inspiration from my audio system, it would be from the music that was being reproduced rather than the piece of equipment or system that the music was channeled through. For me, audio equipment is just a means to an end...that end being satisfying music reproduction. At the very instant that I learned to focus on music rather than the gear reproducing it, I became immune to the dishonest ravings of snake oil salesmen because I had an honest reference to compare every piece of gear to. This is easier for some than others. I will admit that I probably had an easier time of it since one of my avocations is playing a musical instrument.

bikezappa wrote:

If so, what power cables are you using. I'll by them. How much?

Descriptions of my power cables, audio gear, et. al. and et cetera are liberally strew about various threads in the forum and in the system showcase. I have also posted several reviews of various types of gear (inclusive of power cables) but I offered no "proofs" in any of them.;)

WilliamM2

How can anyone "prove" what they do or do not hear?

That's been explained 20 times at least in this thread.

Long winded analogies, that have absolutely nothing to do with ABX or DBT testing prove nothing.

WilliamM2

The Integra is a great receiver for HT but it's not in the same category for music.

I would think the Frankenpolk R30's would be more at fault. After all, I have seen people on this very forum claim to hear huge differences with cables, using nothing more than entry level gear. Like the Oppo for instance...

dragon1952

PolkThug wrote:

Snob!!!
lol

That's Mr. Snob to you! :cool:

I'd also like to reiterate that the type of listener you are is of great importance. Someone just mentioned that they normally have music on in the background. If this is how you normally listen you can't expect to be hearing subtle differences. I would certainly hope that people that try these types of upgrades don't expect the difference in SQ to be that obvious. In fact you may have to really strain to hear it from the sweet spot. But if you can squeeze every drop of potential from a 2-channel system that you've already spent a few grand or more on it's worth an extra hundred or two in my opinion.

hearingimpared

bikezappa wrote:

Just prove, not measure, that you can hear the difference.

BZ, this where I have a bit of a problem. Prove to whom? The only person I need to prove anything to is me so that I don't waste my money on exotic things that really don't work. I don't list items in my signature for the sake of ego, I list them because I am proud of what I own and most of all I love the way it sounds. . . I have found a great synergy with these components up to and including power cords, ICs etc and therefore want to share my joy with the rest of the member here and anyone who cares to read it. If you are asking DK or anyone else to prove to you that somethings sounds better or different than something else you are doing yourself a disservice. I can only tell you what a specific item did in my current configuration. I then would always follow that up with, "but you should try it for yourself and let your ears make the decision for you." Most products have a 30 day money back gurantee. . . try them in your rig if you like what you hear, keep it, if not send it back. . .this is one of things I love so much about being an audiophile.

This is the problem that I've had with JohnADA, he seems to have wanted to tell us we are hearing "ghoasts" and that we should not tell anyone of our experience. . . after reading his post 496 I now understand why he feels the way he does.

JohnADA I was in exactly the same boat as you and I now understand where you are coming from. I had to get out of this awesome hobby (yes I consider myself a rabid audiophile) in the early 90s due to some hard times. I still kept a few pieces of gear hoping that someday I would get back in.

This past June I found out that high-end audio was still alive and well . . . I can't express my exileration when I found that out. I did a lot of reading like you did and asking questions and becoming a member of this forum which was the best thing I ever did concering this obsession, hobby, whatever we wish to call it. I purchased equipment based on a lot of studying up on this site, recommendation by various members who had the same speaker or equipment, equipment unheard!!! When I finally got the rig together January 8, 2007 I found that the information I had received here was solid. I then proceeded to start tweeking, cables, isolation devices etc. So far I have been very happy with what I have.

I give you a very brief summary here but I can tell you the absolute best thing that has happened through all of this is that my wife loves music just as much as I do. Yesterday a freind I made on this (one of serveral) forum sent me his Sony 999 Modwright DVD/CD/SACD tube player to check out. My wife and I are A/B ing it against and Oppo DV 970 paired with a Timbre DAC.

Very much fun!!! JohnADA, ease up, read the threads here, weed out what you don't like and take the advise of the people you feel have the same tastes as you. . . you will find this to be the BEST forum on the web. . . that of course is just my opinion.

johnADA

dragon1952 wrote:

I know you'll say 'I told you so' but I'll say it anyway. The Integra is a great receiver for HT but it's not in the same category for music. I owned one before I decided to concentrate on 2-channel so I'm speaking from experience. Just saying that I'm not surprised a power cord didn't make a noticable difference there. I tried it myself. In fact it was probably the first piece I ever owned with a detachable power cord. There are too many things in the signal chain when you're dealing with most A/V receivers , even in Direct mode or whatever they call it. If you ever decide to build a quality 2-channel system maybe you can try again with better results. That's a very nice HT receiver though.

OK, I'm getting the popcorn out, drinks etc for the next round.

If within direct mode, actually called pure audio, when the signal bypasses the internal DAC's or any sound processing at all, which the direct mode isnt a straight through bypass and goes straight to amplification, whats the big deal???

And amps job is to amplify the signal and not alter it. Altering it is a form of processing in which is changes the outcome.

So basically in this mode it "should" ( gave you a loop hole) act as a amplifier only.Why wouldnt a cord work? I picked this type receiver based upon it being more than capable of both worlds.


And as to my Franken Polks comment.

My Franken Polks uses a Vifa Ring Radiator.
Its Dayton mids being of a paper based design, which is known for better replication being wood based a product, plays much cleaner, detailed etc than a pair of comparable RTI floors without the mid mass mud effect. I hear parts of music now the R's could never replicate. Instruments that I knew was there , but the R's hid!!

hearingimpared

bikezappa wrote:

10 posts per day on average.

WOW

When do you get time to listen to music?

I listen to music on average of 2-3 hours a day. I love this forum and try to contribute and learn as much as I can. I have almost 20 years of catching up to do in this hobby of ours. I also have magazines that I read also.

I am disabled so when I am not taking care of my family and the house I am very deeply involved in being an audiophile.:)

Did I say I love this forum?:)

PhantomOG

so if you can't convince the other side, just insult their manhood?

Power Cords realy help!

My system sounds better with the power cords connected as well!

hearingimpared

DarqueKnight wrote:

Case Study


Two subjects, two entirely different outcomes with the same "gear". However, the sensory mechanisms of the two subjects were very different.

Such good reading.

DK you never cease to amaze, astound, and amuse me.:)

heiney9

Each side is trying to convince the other what they believe is the truth. For those of you who, don’t, can’t, won’t hear a difference in equipment and associated cables after trying many many times with many types of gear. Go out and purchase the most inexpensive equipment you can be happy with and sit back and smile. Those of us (myself included) that try; can; and do hear a difference will forever be on that quest or journey for higher and higher fidelity. Go out and enjoy swapping gear and cables until that synergy is just right; then sit back and smile and also make sure to smile several times during your audio journey.

I truly can accept those who really have tried to hear a difference and for whatever reason just can’t or aren’t interested in the process or journey. What I can’t stand, and I suspect some nay-sayers in this thread fall into this category, are those who are willing to put forth an opinion without any experience. More times than not people who believe all things audio sound the same either are basing their opinions solely on measurements or are just plain stating an opinion with out ever having experimented with other gear and cable’s.

reeltrouble1

Wonder is one of Raife's subject's had a sensor with more sheathing...............

RT1

hearingimpared

dragon1952 wrote:

That's Mr. Snob to you! :cool: .

I don't know why but that come back always amuses me.

dragon1952 wrote:

But if you can squeeze every drop of potential from a 2-channel system that you've already spent a few grand or more on it's worth an extra hundred or two in my opinion.

As much as I love listening to the music through the well thought out gear, doing what you stated above gives me immense pleasure. Tweeking to me is as much a part of listening to music as the actual sitting in the sweet spot. I absoltely agree with you. However some may say, "if you spent a few grand or more on equipment you shouldn't have to do anything more to get it to sound better," to those I would say, you don't know what you are missing.:)

WilliamM2

For those of you who, don’t, can’t, won’t hear a difference in equipment and associated cables after trying many many times with many types of gear. Go out and purchase the most inexpensive equipment you can be happy with and sit back and smile.

If you don't think cables sound different, you should buy cheap gear?

Who said they couldn't hear any difference between different equipment? The discussion was on cables, power cables no less.

PolkThug

nvm ....