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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 41,943
    Lasareath wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    Can you imagine an all electric Harley.......instead of rolling thunder it'll be rolling whisper.

    Don’t have to imagine it. It already exists.


    Once again Sal, you haven't researched what you're posting. That bike is not available for purchase. IF it does come to market I suspect only a millennial would consider one, but that would mean they'd have to have a good job.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • ZLTFULZLTFUL Posts: 4,988
    Sal clearly doesn't understand the concept of "rhetorical commentary". Not the first time nor the last time Sal is unable to grasp a concept...

    "Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."

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  • ADJADJ Posts: 32
    tonyb wrote: »
    Yeah....ok. Most of us can't remember to plug in our phones, now you want us to plug in our cars too ?

    Get up for work, and realize you forgot to plug in the car last night. Then what ? Then you get fired, can't pay the nut on the electric car, and buy a beater gas powered car while you look for a new job.
    .

    That's just beyond stupid. That's like saying people can't remember to fill their cars up with gas. No, electric cars aren't the answer now but internal combustion engines were a poor replacement for horses too once upon a time. Centralized power production with virtually lossless distribution makes a hell of a lot of sense. The tech isn't there to make it better than fossil fuels right now but that doesn't mean it won't be.
  • daddyjtdaddyjt Posts: 864
    ADJ wrote: »
    ... The tech isn't there to make it better than fossil fuels right now but that doesn't mean it won't be.

    No one here is arguing that. However, the position is being argued that EVs are a viable alternative to gas/diesel vehicles RIGHT NOW, which they clearly are not. Many here are also frustrated by the fact that they are unwillingly being forced to fund the dreams and ego of people like Elon Musk.

    For EV technology to become a true competitor, it must achieve success on its own merits in the free market.

    Too much stuff to keep track of.

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  • ADJADJ Posts: 32
    edited November 2017
    Actually, I think that EVs are a viable alternative to gas/diesel vehicles right now in a lot of scenarios. Certainly not all of course, but in my situation I drive maybe 20 miles round trip to my workplace and back and rarely drive around town more than 50 miles in a day. An EV makes great sense for me and probably would for many people. Nonetheless, I drive a gas pickup :)

    That being said, I would never champion unforced funding the dreams of Musk or his ilk . As you said, it will succeed (or fail) on its own merits. Ultimately I think it will succeed in the end but that's just my own opinion.

    My bigger issue with the comment that I quoted was that people wouldn't be able to remember to plug in their car to recharge, which to me is idiotic.
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 41,943
    ADJ wrote: »
    Actually, I think that EVs are a viable alternative to gas/diesel vehicles right now in a lot of scenarios. Certainly not all of course, but in my situation I drive maybe 20 miles round trip to my workplace and back and rarely drive around town more than 50 miles in a day. An EV makes great sense for me and probably would for many people. Nonetheless, I drive a gas pickup :)

    That being said, I would never champion unforced funding the dreams of Musk or his ilk . As you said, it will succeed (or fail) on its own merits. Ultimately I think it will succeed in the end but that's just my own opinion.

    My bigger issue with the comment that I quoted was that people wouldn't be able to remember to plug in their car to recharge, which to me is idiotic.

    Never underestimate the stupidity of people. AAA makes a lot of "out of gas" rescues each and every day.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


  • ADJ wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    Yeah....ok. Most of us can't remember to plug in our phones, now you want us to plug in our cars too ?

    Get up for work, and realize you forgot to plug in the car last night. Then what ? Then you get fired, can't pay the nut on the electric car, and buy a beater gas powered car while you look for a new job.
    .

    That's just beyond stupid. That's like saying people can't remember to fill their cars up with gas. No, electric cars aren't the answer now but internal combustion engines were a poor replacement for horses too once upon a time. Centralized power production with virtually lossless distribution makes a hell of a lot of sense. The tech isn't there to make it better than fossil fuels right now but that doesn't mean it won't be.

    Are you a millennial?
  • ADJADJ Posts: 32
    charley95 wrote: »
    ADJ wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    Yeah....ok. Most of us can't remember to plug in our phones, now you want us to plug in our cars too ?

    Get up for work, and realize you forgot to plug in the car last night. Then what ? Then you get fired, can't pay the nut on the electric car, and buy a beater gas powered car while you look for a new job.
    .

    That's just beyond stupid. That's like saying people can't remember to fill their cars up with gas. No, electric cars aren't the answer now but internal combustion engines were a poor replacement for horses too once upon a time. Centralized power production with virtually lossless distribution makes a hell of a lot of sense. The tech isn't there to make it better than fossil fuels right now but that doesn't mean it won't be.

    Are you a millennial?

    Not sure why a person's age is relevant to their viewpoint but I am probably older than you.
  • ken brydsonken brydson Posts: 7,428
    Lasareath wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    Can you imagine an all electric Harley.......instead of rolling thunder it'll be rolling whisper.

    Don’t have to imagine it. It already exists.


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  • ADJADJ Posts: 32
    F1nut wrote: »
    ADJ wrote: »
    Actually, I think that EVs are a viable alternative to gas/diesel vehicles right now in a lot of scenarios. Certainly not all of course, but in my situation I drive maybe 20 miles round trip to my workplace and back and rarely drive around town more than 50 miles in a day. An EV makes great sense for me and probably would for many people. Nonetheless, I drive a gas pickup :)

    That being said, I would never champion unforced funding the dreams of Musk or his ilk . As you said, it will succeed (or fail) on its own merits. Ultimately I think it will succeed in the end but that's just my own opinion.

    My bigger issue with the comment that I quoted was that people wouldn't be able to remember to plug in their car to recharge, which to me is idiotic.

    Never underestimate the stupidity of people. AAA makes a lot of "out of gas" rescues each and every day.

    LOL, very true. And the energy of choice for your vehicle will never fix stupid.
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 13,488
    edited November 2017
    ADJ wrote: »
    charley95 wrote: »
    ADJ wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    Yeah....ok. Most of us can't remember to plug in our phones, now you want us to plug in our cars too ?

    Get up for work, and realize you forgot to plug in the car last night. Then what ? Then you get fired, can't pay the nut on the electric car, and buy a beater gas powered car while you look for a new job.
    .

    That's just beyond stupid. That's like saying people can't remember to fill their cars up with gas. No, electric cars aren't the answer now but internal combustion engines were a poor replacement for horses too once upon a time. Centralized power production with virtually lossless distribution makes a hell of a lot of sense. The tech isn't there to make it better than fossil fuels right now but that doesn't mean it won't be.

    Are you a millennial?

    Not sure why a person's age is relevant to their viewpoint but I am probably older than you.

    Careful with that statement I'm finding I'm on the younger side here. Most of the polkies i have met are closer to my mom and dads age. I'm in my lower 50's
  • ADJADJ Posts: 32
    edited November 2017
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    ADJ wrote: »
    charley95 wrote: »
    ADJ wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    Yeah....ok. Most of us can't remember to plug in our phones, now you want us to plug in our cars too ?

    Get up for work, and realize you forgot to plug in the car last night. Then what ? Then you get fired, can't pay the nut on the electric car, and buy a beater gas powered car while you look for a new job.
    .

    That's just beyond stupid. That's like saying people can't remember to fill their cars up with gas. No, electric cars aren't the answer now but internal combustion engines were a poor replacement for horses too once upon a time. Centralized power production with virtually lossless distribution makes a hell of a lot of sense. The tech isn't there to make it better than fossil fuels right now but that doesn't mean it won't be.

    Are you a millennial?

    Not sure why a person's age is relevant to their viewpoint but I am probably older than you.

    Careful with that statement I'm finding I'm on the younger side here. Most of the polkies i have met are closer to my mom and dads age. Which you may very well be.

    I would almost guarantee it :) Just playing the odds..
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 20,592
    ADJ wrote: »
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    ADJ wrote: »
    charley95 wrote: »
    ADJ wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    Yeah....ok. Most of us can't remember to plug in our phones, now you want us to plug in our cars too ?

    Get up for work, and realize you forgot to plug in the car last night. Then what ? Then you get fired, can't pay the nut on the electric car, and buy a beater gas powered car while you look for a new job.
    .

    That's just beyond stupid. That's like saying people can't remember to fill their cars up with gas. No, electric cars aren't the answer now but internal combustion engines were a poor replacement for horses too once upon a time. Centralized power production with virtually lossless distribution makes a hell of a lot of sense. The tech isn't there to make it better than fossil fuels right now but that doesn't mean it won't be.

    Are you a millennial?

    Not sure why a person's age is relevant to their viewpoint but I am probably older than you.

    Careful with that statement I'm finding I'm on the younger side here. Most of the polkies i have met are closer to my mom and dads age. Which you may very well be.

    I would almost guarantee it :) Just playing the odds..

    And who says you can’t teach an old dog new tricks...
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  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 3,857
    Everybody's avatar should be their most recent driver's license photograph.
  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 10,404
    Nothing wrong with balance, a little here and a little there

    Keep in mind the US has managed to cripple cities and towns ie big steel, coal, manufacturing etc

    Made us a weaker economy overall. Take out big oil that leaves the US with only engineering, but manufacturing will still move abroad, along with good paying jobs.

    Know your history on why we became a great nation. We lead in both development and manufacturing

    You reap what you sow
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  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 10,404
    And FYI we are no longer the only leaders in development and of course you know we lost the manufacturing years ago

    Keep it up....mark my words
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  • ken brydsonken brydson Posts: 7,428
    Viking64 wrote: »
    Everybody's avatar should be their most recent driver's license photograph.

    Mine is carved in a cave wall..
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  • ADJADJ Posts: 32
    Viking64 wrote: »
    Everybody's avatar should be their most recent driver's license photograph.

    Mine is carved in a cave wall..

    You had a cave?? Lucky.
  • ken brydsonken brydson Posts: 7,428
    nbrowser wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    Everybody's avatar should be their most recent driver's license photograph.

    If I do that...I'll be mistaken for a tree hugging person of Seattle...lol.

    If you could only get to Seattle...
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  • daddyjtdaddyjt Posts: 864
    ADJ wrote: »
    Actually, I think that EVs are a viable alternative to gas/diesel vehicles right now in a lot of scenarios. Certainly not all of course, but in my situation I drive maybe 20 miles round trip to my workplace and back and rarely drive around town more than 50 miles in a day. An EV makes great sense for me and probably would for many people. Nonetheless, I drive a gas pickup :)

    That being said, I would never champion unforced funding the dreams of Musk or his ilk . As you said, it will succeed (or fail) on its own merits. Ultimately I think it will succeed in the end but that's just my own opinion.

    My bigger issue with the comment that I quoted was that people wouldn't be able to remember to plug in their car to recharge, which to me is idiotic.

    In operation they may be viable for some people, but I was speaking more from a production/acquisition standpoint.

    Of the vanishingly small percentage of total vehicles sold that are EV, how much smaller would that percentage be if the $10k(ish) subsidy were to be eliminated? Additionally, how much MORE would a Tesla cost if Musk weren't raking in billions from the government (or would Tessa exist at all)?

    THAT is what I mean by viable...
    Too much stuff to keep track of.

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  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 10,404
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  • mrbigbluelightmrbigbluelight Posts: 7,696
    edited November 2017
    I do have some reluctance in basing my life choices on a romance novel fashion model (despite the fact that his dad was an engineer).
    Despite clear and concise product labeling, Mr. Fabio seems somewhat confused by the distinct differences between margarine and butter.



    I prefer the scientific work being conducted by afficionado Mr. Young
    (information relayed to me by a certified 'Merican)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=qnYCYDWUCRc

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  • Toolfan66Toolfan66 Posts: 14,161
    No one has heard from Rick88 but Sal gets all this attention... SMH...
  • ADJ wrote: »
    charley95 wrote: »
    ADJ wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    Yeah....ok. Most of us can't remember to plug in our phones, now you want us to plug in our cars too ?

    Get up for work, and realize you forgot to plug in the car last night. Then what ? Then you get fired, can't pay the nut on the electric car, and buy a beater gas powered car while you look for a new job.
    .

    That's just beyond stupid. That's like saying people can't remember to fill their cars up with gas. No, electric cars aren't the answer now but internal combustion engines were a poor replacement for horses too once upon a time. Centralized power production with virtually lossless distribution makes a hell of a lot of sense. The tech isn't there to make it better than fossil fuels right now but that doesn't mean it won't be.

    Are you a millennial?

    Not sure why a person's age is relevant to their viewpoint but I am probably older than you.

    I'm 53 and pretty much view the world just as Walt Kozwalski did in Gran Torino! Just think how great the world would be if we all had a neighbor like him. He would not be a bleeding heart, that I can tell ya!
  • JstasJstas Posts: 13,735
    If you have to resort to fear mongering about rumors, speculation and vaporware to get people to pay attention to your "message" then your message is not worth passing along.
    You're just jealous 'cause the voices don't talk to you!
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,017
    ADJ wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    Yeah....ok. Most of us can't remember to plug in our phones, now you want us to plug in our cars too ?

    Get up for work, and realize you forgot to plug in the car last night. Then what ? Then you get fired, can't pay the nut on the electric car, and buy a beater gas powered car while you look for a new job.
    .

    That's just beyond stupid. That's like saying people can't remember to fill their cars up with gas. No, electric cars aren't the answer now but internal combustion engines were a poor replacement for horses too once upon a time. Centralized power production with virtually lossless distribution makes a hell of a lot of sense. The tech isn't there to make it better than fossil fuels right now but that doesn't mean it won't be.

    LOL, well, people do forget to put gas in their cars. Gas engines as a poor replacement for horses ? That's there is funny, you do stand-up on Tuesdays and Thursdays ?

    Our electric technology is so great on the distribution side, that we have brown outs as is today. Everyone turning on their AC at the same time stresses the grid. Lets add 220-440v access to that grid by the millions and see what happens.

    Like I said, the amount of money needed to give x amount of people access to x amount of juice simply isn't workable today. Not just because we lack a direct need for it, but we also lack the funds to build such an infrastructure today. Maybe everyone forgot, but our credit card has 20 trillion on it and growing with unfunded liabilities close to if not in excess of 100 trillion. Keyword there is "unfunded", stuff we have yet to pay for.

    We can't even take care of infrastructure needs for cars in general. Roads/bridges ? Nobody is arguing that EV's can benefit a certain percentage of the population, just as solar and wind power can, but none of those choices are a replacement for fossil fuels on the scale we need them to be. That my friend isn't stupidity, it's called common sense, something missing in todays society.
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