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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 12,037
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Best strategy for many of us in the fast-disappearing segment of suburban/ex-urban baby boomers, methinks, is something small, cheap & economical for 'daily driver' use -- and a big-rump truck for those times when a truck is required.

    I went that route 20+ years ago, but soon realized it was a lot less expensive to just rent a truck when needed.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,439
    Lasareath wrote: »
    This Guy from Drag Times just placed an order for the founders' edition. $250,000


    Thanks for making my point, toys for the rich elite. Why do we need to subsidize toys for those who can afford them anyway ? Doesn't make sense to me. Especially when we have so many other areas in need of money. This is a priority.....250K cars for the rich ?
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 42,683
    Lasareath wrote: »
    This Guy from Drag Times just placed an order for the founders' edition. $250,000


    Nothing says SUCKER quite like it.
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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 21,320
    BlueFox wrote: »
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Best strategy for many of us in the fast-disappearing segment of suburban/ex-urban baby boomers, methinks, is something small, cheap & economical for 'daily driver' use -- and a big-rump truck for those times when a truck is required.

    I went that route 20+ years ago, but soon realized it was a lot less expensive to just rent a truck when needed.

    I’m still looking for an electric bicycle powered by pixie dust and unicorn f arts...
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    Saying that it's "too hard" to pursue your dreams is no different than admitting to yourself that you are too lazy to achieve them.

    “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
  • John, this is the best I can do for you:

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/speedx/speedx-unicorn-smart-road-bike-with-built-in-power

    No pixie dust but it does have wireless stuff.
    I don't think you should have trouble finding fairy pixie dust out there in California, though.
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  • motorstereomotorstereo Posts: 1,296
    One thing that hasn't been mentioned thus far and something to ponder. Why are aluminum manufacturing plants normally located near electrical generating plants? Because of the tremendous amount of electricity they require to make aluminum. The Tesla's body is all aluminum that would mean vast amounts of greenhouse gases generated from producing all that aluminum are released in the atmosphere before their products even hit the showroom.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,439
    One thing that hasn't been mentioned thus far and something to ponder. Why are aluminum manufacturing plants normally located near electrical generating plants? Because of the tremendous amount of electricity they require to make aluminum. The Tesla's body is all aluminum that would mean vast amounts of greenhouse gases generated from producing all that aluminum are released in the atmosphere before their products even hit the showroom.

    Good point Motor, can then one assume that a Tesla's environmental impact is all front loaded in the making of the vehicle ? Having no emissions is like making up for what was expelled making it. Even so, that makes it's carbon footprint equal out in the end....but nobody is really concerned about carbon footprints anyway .
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  • motorstereomotorstereo Posts: 1,296
    edited November 2017
    ^^^^^^Just like in the audio world the source here is very important as well. If they have a green source producing the gigawatts necessary for aluminum production all would be well. I can't see a green source able to produce the necessary power needed though.

    FWIW the aluminum industry is what made me retire from my self employed sealcoating business a few years ago. Apparently the coal tar which is a necessary ingredient of driveway sealer also has a use in aluminum production. The aluminum industry was willing to pay premium for it compared to the asphalt sealcoating industry so it's not hard to imagine what happened to price of coal tar. Coal tar is also a by-product of the coal mining industry and it's considered toxic until it's dry. So much for that aspect of being green to.
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 22,986
    edited November 2017
    Aluminum was a semiprecious metal until the late 19th century when a method to isolate the pure metal from aluminum oxide ore (bauxite) by electrolysis was developed.
    Thus was the apex of the Washington Monument in DC made of in aluminum :)
    http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/9511/binczewski-9511.html
    (... or, maybe not)

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    Electrolysis is also used to reduce water to hydrogen and oxygen.
  • lightman1lightman1 Posts: 10,455
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Electrolysis is also used to reduce water to hydrogen and oxygen.

    And removing that pesky mustache hair from the Mrs. upper lip......

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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 12,037
    Don’t know if it has been mentioned earlier in this thread since I haven’t read it, but the gas/diesel engine is in its last decade or two. Numerous manufacturers have stated they are going to some alternative method, and other countries are saying enough with all the pollution. While the US is now in a culture of stupidity we will also be joining the rest of the world.

    With that in mind, I am currently researching my next car. As of today, the 2018 Nissan 370Z is at the top of the list. :)

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  • ZLTFULZLTFUL Posts: 5,060
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Don’t know if it has been mentioned earlier in this thread since I haven’t read it, but the gas/diesel engine is in its last decade or two. Numerous manufacturers have stated they are going to some alternative method, and other countries are saying enough with all the pollution. While the US is now in a culture of stupidity we will also be joining the rest of the world.

    With that in mind, I am currently researching my next car. As of today, the 2018 Nissan 370Z is at the top of the list. :)

    Reported for environmental insensitivity and not having a kooky agenda.


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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 12,037
    Lasareath wrote: »
    BlueFox wrote: »
    With that in mind, I am currently researching my next car. As of today, the 2018 Nissan 370Z is at the top of the list. :)

    When I went to Las Vegas in September to test drive the 2018 LEAF I was talking to one of the Vice Presidents of Nissan and he was telling me that the 370Z platform is being worked on right now for an EV!

    That would be amazing. AWD, Zero to 60 in 4 seconds. I’d buy that car.


    So would I. As long as it was loaded, has at least a 300 mile range, and is less than $50K. :)

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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 21,320
    The only electric cars I drive are slot cars.
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    Saying that it's "too hard" to pursue your dreams is no different than admitting to yourself that you are too lazy to achieve them.

    “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 12,037
    At least they are quiet. :)

    The one thing I didn’t like about the 370Z was their playing up the exhaust noise. I hate that. I want power and quiet. Stealth mode, so to speak.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,439
    Yeah....ok. Most of us can't remember to plug in our phones, now you want us to plug in our cars too ?

    Get up for work, and realize you forgot to plug in the car last night. Then what ? Then you get fired, can't pay the nut on the electric car, and buy a beater gas powered car while you look for a new job.

    Bud, the added noise is for safety reasons. Car is too quiet you won't hear it coming and get smacked crossing a street.
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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 12,037
    tonyb wrote:
    Bud, the added noise is for safety reasons. Car is too quiet you won't hear it coming and get smacked crossing a street.

    Every day I try to walk around the work complex before and after lunch. One day I am walking and daydreaming past a side parking lot when a Volt backed up into where I should have been. I barely stopped and was really surprised how I was caught off guard.

    However, the noise I was referring to was gas powered exhaust noise.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,439
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Don’t know if it has been mentioned earlier in this thread since I haven’t read it, but the gas/diesel engine is in its last decade or two. Numerous manufacturers have stated they are going to some alternative method, and other countries are saying enough with all the pollution. While the US is now in a culture of stupidity we will also be joining the rest of the world.

    With that in mind, I am currently researching my next car. As of today, the 2018 Nissan 370Z is at the top of the list. :)

    Some people around the globe also say enough with humans polluting and we need to get rid of a few billion pesky humans. Should we join them too ?

    No, it is not the pollution that bothers the world from cars, it's the cost of gasoline. When people start paying 4-5 bucks a gallon, then they start looking at alternatives.

    More than half the planet doesn't even have an infrastructure to deliver gas, let alone electric. Gas prices dictate direction from consumers. That's why demand for electric cars is low now with cheap gas available. The powers at be will do what ever it takes to elevate those prices to force those choices. Different states have different requirements for gas, which adds costs to refineries and distribution. That was part of the reason we couldn't ship gas to the Katrina affected states.

    The amount of money needed to get everyone around the globe up to snuff with infrastructure to deliver electric would be staggering. Having just the USA and Europe on board isn't going to change a thing on a global scale in regards to pollution or climate change.

    Seems to me anyway, some are in love with the idea, but falter when reality hits. Plus we haven't even discussed the raw materials it would take to replace all gas cars with electric. I don't think we could mine that much, and if we could and the demand was there....what do you think happens to the price of those raw materials ? Especially mines in other countries. You'd create another cartel, like in oil, and we'd be at the same crossroads.
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  • daddyjtdaddyjt Posts: 1,043
    tonyb wrote: »
    ...Get up for work, and realize you forgot to plug in the car last night...

    Great - another excuse to hear from millennials as to why they can't come to work... (as if they needed another)

    Too much stuff to keep track of.

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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 14,311
    daddyjt wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    ...Get up for work, and realize you forgot to plug in the car last night...

    Great - another excuse to hear from millennials as to why they can't come to work... (as if they needed another)

    They can't come to work well because coming to work involves work. They must get up, get dressed, fix breakfast, brush their teeth and well you know all that stuff is exhausting then you want me to like do something when I'm there? When is break time? I'm wore out from all the work getting to work
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 21,320
    Some people around the globe also say enough with humans polluting and we need to get rid of a few billion pesky humans. Should we join them too....

    Ted Turner, and more than a few others believe the global population needs to be no more than 350 million....
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    Saying that it's "too hard" to pursue your dreams is no different than admitting to yourself that you are too lazy to achieve them.

    “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
  • maximillianmaximillian Posts: 2,084
    edited November 2017
    tonyb wrote: »
    Yeah....ok. Most of us can't remember to plug in our phones, now you want us to plug in our cars too ?

    Get up for work, and realize you forgot to plug in the car last night. Then what ? Then you get fired,

    I am OK with firing idiots. I don't forget plugging in my phone. If "most of you" do then that's your damn fault. I have enough charging areas where I spend my day that I don't forget. In my car, near my work computer, main PC at home, bedside stand, next to the couch. I could even carry recharging batteries if needed, or just bring a cable and plug into a laptop. If I am too stupid to remember to plug in my phone then I don't deserve a job other than McDonalds.

    My company has several EV plug-in parking spots that are the closest spots to the door, and it's "free" (for now). EV's have a decent enough range that I can drive from work to home and then back to work with a couple side errands and still have range left. So plugging in at home is not even needed.

    But I don't own an EV yet. I still want more range, a better looking car, and have it affordable. So this will take some time still.

    Time will also tell if other technologies will win over it. But the trend is certain... there's going to be more and more people (~2 Billion) driving cars and motorcycles this century and they will require gasoline. It's not just the environment. It's a limited resource that will be strained. Some other tech (probably green) will need to offset the higher demand.

  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,439
    Every resource has its limits. Even electricity. There is no silver bullet to solve all our power needs. Oil/gas has come the closes. Widely available and fairly cheap with multiple applications. Which is why displacing it with electric will never happen. You may get niche areas who can benefit from electric cars and that's all well and good but it will never be able to kill off fossil fuels.
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 42,683
    Can you imagine an all electric Harley.......instead of rolling thunder it'll be rolling whisper.
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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 21,320
    edited November 2017
    F1nut wrote: »
    Can you imagine an all electric Harley.......instead of rolling thunder it'll be rolling BLUNDER.

    Fixed for accuracy. B)
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    Saying that it's "too hard" to pursue your dreams is no different than admitting to yourself that you are too lazy to achieve them.

    “If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 22,986
    Perhaps the best argument yet for electric vehicles (the Harley EV, that is).
    (Marky ducks & runs for cover...)
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