Polk Signature Series Official Discussion

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 45,647
    halo wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    Don't know, they are collecting dust right now.

    Jesse,

    What is your impression/thoughts of the S20 bookshelf speakers?

    From limited use I'd say they sound very good at their price point.
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  • halo
    halo Posts: 5,618
    F1nut wrote: »
    From limited use I'd say they sound very good at their price point.

    Thanks :smile:

  • msg
    msg Posts: 6,384
    edited June 2017
    I brought the sub into the mix a couple of nights ago (HSU VTF-15), crossed at 70Hz. Running on the main combo system with Halo C2/HCA-2205. Still have some playing around to do, but adding the sub seems to have cleaned up some stuffiness I was experiencing in some pieces in the lower male vocal range. Wondering whether I was just asking them to do too much at volume in running them full range before?

    I have to say, while the S20s are enjoyable for music, I think they do particularly well in 2.1 HT mode. I'm not much of an HT guy at all, but was really enjoying the detail and immersion in a film I was watching the other night - Midnight Special. The new Darth Vader's in it, but he's just a timid NSA analyst this time. No light saber. Again would have to compare more closely but they seem more detailed than 703s for HT. Very clear and crisp, but not harsh. In Midnight Special (neat film, btw), there was a quiet scene where I could hear the engine of a vehicle ticking. You know that sort of mechanical, sewing machine kind if sounds engines make? That. Very subtle, but either the audio track for that film was just particularly more detailed than I've noticed before, or these speakers resolve very nicely. Of course crashing satellite and chase scenes were very engaging. I can see how some people can enjoy 2ch all around and skip surround setups altogether.

    Got SOMA FM's Folk Forward station going right now in 2.1. Folksy kind of music sounds really nice on these. Very chill.
    http://somafm.com/folkfwd/songhistory.html

    This sub bit sort of echos what Cathy and Loren have shared in their experiences with their Signatures, Loren specifically speaking to his secondary setup with S20s.

    I think with the proper placement in smaller spaces, one could get away nicely with 2.0, but for a fuller sound, a sub fills out the experience nicely. A real pleasure.

    Here are a few new artists and tracks I've enjoyed in this setup for anyone into modern folk
    • Nadia Reid - Call The Days
    • Asgeir - Summer Guest
    • M. Ward - Oh Lonesome Me
    • Barna Howard - Lend Me a Moment
    • Wolf Larsen - Two Doves
    • Whetherman - The Circle
    • Avalanche City - You and I
    • Innocence Mission - Follow Me
    Gonna check out a few of John Prine's concert tracks from In Person & On Stage
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  • msg
    msg Posts: 6,384
    Ha, speak of the devil - John Prine's Everybody just cued up on the radio
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  • Jimbo18
    Jimbo18 Posts: 2,233
    msg wrote: »
    Ha, speak of the devil - John Prine's Everybody just cued up on the radio

    Wow, I forgot about about John Prine. I think I only ever owned his first album but I like it a lot.
  • halo
    halo Posts: 5,618
    F1nut wrote: »
    halo wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    Don't know, they are collecting dust right now.

    Jesse,

    What is your impression/thoughts of the S20 bookshelf speakers?

    From limited use I'd say they sound very good at their price point.

    If I may ask, with what other speakers in this price range (new) have you compared the S20's?
  • mrloren
    mrloren Posts: 2,367
    I do like the S20 for music... Nice bookshelf speaker.

    I did a GI party to my house yesterday (major cleaning) had the down stairs S60 rocking all morning. In the afternoon we did the upstairs I was playing some Billy Joel and the wife kept stopping and just sitting to listen. My bedroom HT is not the most favorable setup either but the S20 still sound great.

    I keep thinking of making some speaker stands and hooking the S20 up in my main HT. Problem is the wife might like the looks so my S60 would be on the out list which is not going to happen.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk LsiM 705
    Center: Polk LSiM 704C
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
    Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • msg
    msg Posts: 6,384
    Just tell her that you'll see to the audio, and to get back in the kitchen and finish making your samwich.
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  • mrloren
    mrloren Posts: 2,367
    msg wrote: »
    Just tell her that you'll see to the audio, and to get back in the kitchen and finish making your samwich.

    Way off topic but my wife would not be in the kitchen making something for me...
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk LsiM 705
    Center: Polk LSiM 704C
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
    Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • msg
    msg Posts: 6,384
    Flakey Jimmy stopped by this eve to check out my Polk Store.
    Another sold on the S20s.
    He really enjoyed them. Funny, not much experience in audio and even though he couldn't articulate the qualities in the terms/definitions we've learned/use, he was spot on in describing things in his own way. He's gonna be a 2ch guy through and through, I think. He liked them best without the sub - said the sound seemed more natural to him. Was really surprised at how capable they are. I really enjoyed his visit. It was fun introducing him to modern Polk speakers.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 45,647
    Flakey Jimmy.....lol

    Now, you know we can't be calling people names because it might hurt their feelings and then they'd want a safe space provided for them to get coddled.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


    President of Club Polk

  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 11,564
    edited June 2017
    BUT....he could use the moniker "flaky jimmy"....bam solved

    I think I'll change mine to mo'ron
    2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
    Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
    Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
    Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC

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  • motorhead43026
    motorhead43026 Posts: 3,754
    edited June 2017
    So does Jimmy now regret not buying the S20's?
    2 channel: Anthem 225 Integrated amp; Parasound Ztuner; TechnicsTT SL1350; Vincent PHO-8 phono pre; Marantz CD6005 spinner; Polk SDA2BTL's; LAT International speaker cables, ZU Mission IC's and power cables all into a PS Audio Dectet Power center.

    Other; M10 series II, M7C's, Hafler XL600 amp, RB-980BX, Parasound HCA-1500 amp , P5 preamp, all in storage. All vintage Polk have had crossover rebuilds and tweeter upgrades.

    There are three things that give a man a false sense of courage, a keyboard, alcohol and a firearm.
    Motorhead, 4.12.20

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  • msg
    msg Posts: 6,384
    You know, Craig, he's legitimately not the type to get bent out of shape about much of anything. I don't know how he manages it, but the dude is genuinely just that laid back. He's chill and patient, and is fine waiting for the next opportunity. He's 60 going on 17.

    And the more time I spend with these things, the more glad I am that he lazed out anyway :) hehe, for all you guys know Flakey Jimmy is a character I invented to be able to acquire these speakers whilst obscuring my hoarding addiction.

    I really just love how airy and detailed they can be, and you guys were right - they're not harsh or edgy at all. I've really been enjoying listening sessions the last couple of weeks, between the speakers and new discoveries with soma FM. You guys might like the "left coast 70s" channel they have?

    I'm curious as to whether I can mod them in any way to improve the quality even further. I might pull them apart this weekend to have a look inside. I'd like to put on some nicer binding posts, and see how the crossovers look.

    Quickly becoming a favorite, that's for sure.
    I have them sitting on the Pangea DS something or other sand mass loaded 4-post stands that I had the 703s on.
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  • deronb1
    deronb1 Posts: 5,041
    How do they compare to the 703s?
  • Jimbo18
    Jimbo18 Posts: 2,233
    So does Jimmy now regret not buying the S20's?

    I am not the flaky one discussed, but this Jimmy regrets not buying them. Scott the hoarder has sold me on their qualities.
  • msg
    msg Posts: 6,384
    deronb1 wrote: »
    How do they compare to the 703s?
    I will preface this by saying that I have not done a critical comparison between the two, so take this as a preliminary, casual observation at this point.

    Presuming you're meaning sound quality wise, in addition to what I've mentioned in the few prior posts in this thread, I can really only say that the S20s are different than 703s; Both sound very good to me, with the following standout characteristics:
    • I think the S20s are a little airier, perhaps broader detailed in upper frequencies, but not harsh or edgy.
    • 703's best the S20 in low frequency performance.
    703's may handle certain vocal ranges better at higher volume. With the S20s I've noticed a bit of resonance in specific lower male vocal range - think extra-broody Chris Isaak. Again I reference the vocals in Blue Spanish Sky. Kind of assaults the ears with the S20s at volume, creating a stuffiness in a way, almost like you want to turn the bass down. Could be cable or room related; perhaps requiring treatments or something. This an example of a track and passage I would test during a comparison between S20 and 703 speakers. As to how to "officially" classify this characteristic or speaker performance, I'm not really sure what to call it.

    I'd have to spend some time listening more closely with some familiar pieces to comment more contextually. Also still early days with the S20s, according to the experience of other Signature owners.

    I also don't have the ear that many more experienced listeners have, nor am I as serious in my quality requirements as some.

    As far as comparison to 703s outside of what I mentioned above, about the next best thing I can say for the S20s is that it has not occurred to me to hurry up and get the 703s back in place. Given my love for the 703, this is saying something.
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  • deronb1
    deronb1 Posts: 5,041
    Thamk you for the detailed redponse. Im not surprised you found them noticeably different considering their configurations. Its how i would compare the 703s to the B&W CDM 1nt. Both have their strong points, but definitely different.
  • mrloren
    mrloren Posts: 2,367
    I too like the S20, mine replaced RTi4 as the main speaker in the bedroom HT.

    I just had my afterwork unwind with Rush Moving Pictures.. just sweet @ -10db.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk LsiM 705
    Center: Polk LSiM 704C
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
    Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • msg
    msg Posts: 6,384
    edited June 2017
    Jimbo18 wrote: »
    So does Jimmy now regret not buying the S20's?

    I am not the flaky one discussed, but this Jimmy regrets not buying them. Scott the hoarder has sold me on their qualities.
    Hehe
    Not-Flakey Jimmy - you have a more difficult decision ahead of you when the time is right - whether to line up S20s or to go with some other variant. I do not envy you that bit of work B)

    After you get ears on your first set, I think I can see you possibly ultimately wanting to put Signatures in each of your systems - a pair of the floorstanders (maybe 55s?) in the main, and S20s in the br. Or jeez, maybe even S20s all around depending on where you're using subs, and on any room placement tricks you might leverage for fuller bottom end. I would be interested to hear how Signatures compare to some of the sweet spot RTxxi speakers you have experience with. I'd half considered, earlier on, trying some S15s in the little office setup, which would go in place of the beloved RT25i. Someday, maybe there'll be an opportunity, but I'm in no rush there, as the tri-lam'd (baa-aht-aht-aht
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  • msg
    msg Posts: 6,384
    edited July 2017
    (vanilla hiccup causing content drop; carry on)
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  • mdaudioguy
    mdaudioguy Posts: 5,145
    msg wrote: »
    (vanilla hiccup causing content drop; carry on)
    It's Vanilla's "Nonsense Regulator" feature.
  • msg
    msg Posts: 6,384
    Next opportunity I get, I'm going to try some S15s against the RT25i in the little office system running the AVR 507, Deftech SC3 and piCorePlayer.

    The RT25i is one of my favorites.

    These S20s... I just can't say enough how I'm enjoying getting to know them.

    Flakey Jimmy told me he managed a pair of S60s for a ridiculously low price. Delivery on the 11th. Will swing by to help him set up and get the skinny. Will post back when I get the specifics. Now to get him educated on properly driving them and to quit buying receivers and AVRs and stuff that isn't really a bargain (I know, I know, I did/do the same thing...)
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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 7,105
    Wow flakey jimmys cousin Scott must not have a wife and kids?!? Lol. That's a lot of speakers for one err I mean two houses...
    Living Room 2.1: Usher BE-718 "tiny dancers"; Dual DIY Dayton audio RSS210HF-4 Subs with Dayton SPA-250 amps; Musical Fidelity A308; NAD M51 DAC; Sony UBP-x1000es
    Game Room HT: Denon AVR-X4200w; Sony UBP-x700; Definitive Technology SM450; Definitive Technology LCR2000; Definitive Technology StudioMonitor350; Mirage Nanasats; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5
    Master Bedroom
    Cambridge Azur 551r; Definitive Technology promonitor 800; ACI Titan Subwoofer
  • msg
    msg Posts: 6,384
    Luckily, on the ranch in the compound in Utah, there's plenty of room for all the sisterwives and children.
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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 7,105
    msg wrote: »
    Luckily, on the ranch in the compound in Utah, there's plenty of room for all the sisterwives and children.

    Then keep the speakers coming and you may as well get an HT and 2 channel setup for every wife! Don't want em fighting over the stereo lol...
    Living Room 2.1: Usher BE-718 "tiny dancers"; Dual DIY Dayton audio RSS210HF-4 Subs with Dayton SPA-250 amps; Musical Fidelity A308; NAD M51 DAC; Sony UBP-x1000es
    Game Room HT: Denon AVR-X4200w; Sony UBP-x700; Definitive Technology SM450; Definitive Technology LCR2000; Definitive Technology StudioMonitor350; Mirage Nanasats; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5
    Master Bedroom
    Cambridge Azur 551r; Definitive Technology promonitor 800; ACI Titan Subwoofer
  • mrloren
    mrloren Posts: 2,367
    msg wrote: »
    Next opportunity I get, I'm going to try some S15s against the RT25i in the little office system running the AVR 507, Deftech SC3 and piCorePlayer.

    The RT25i is one of my favorites.

    These S20s... I just can't say enough how I'm enjoying getting to know them.

    Flakey Jimmy told me he managed a pair of S60s for a ridiculously low price. Delivery on the 11th. Will swing by to help him set up and get the skinny. Will post back when I get the specifics. Now to get him educated on properly driving them and to quit buying receivers and AVRs and stuff that isn't really a bargain (I know, I know, I did/do the same thing...)
    msg wrote: »
    Next opportunity I get, I'm going to try some S15s against the RT25i in the little office system running the AVR 507, Deftech SC3 and piCorePlayer.

    The RT25i is one of my favorites.

    These S20s... I just can't say enough how I'm enjoying getting to know them.

    Flakey Jimmy told me he managed a pair of S60s for a ridiculously low price. Delivery on the 11th. Will swing by to help him set up and get the skinny. Will post back when I get the specifics. Now to get him educated on properly driving them and to quit buying receivers and AVRs and stuff that isn't really a bargain (I know, I know, I did/do the same thing...)

    Told you that the S20 are nice...

    I might try the plug the power port I learned yesterday with my S60 on my S20. Plugged the power port rand Audyssey and WOW a totally different speaker came out. Yes I did remove the towels before listening.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk LsiM 705
    Center: Polk LSiM 704C
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
    Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • msg
    msg Posts: 6,384
    Interesting, you plug the port just for calibration?
    I don't have anything that runs Audyssey.
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