Polk Signature Series Official Discussion

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  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 2,213
    Yes I agree get the Denon, if you can swing it the 4000 series rocks. Marantz 60XX would work too.

    That little Yamaha @ 16lb just doesn't have the power supply.

    Get some good power on them there speakers. And please put a small piece of foam under the front of the S30, tilt it up a tad. Then save up for a 2nd PB1000 :)
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk LsiM 705
    Center: Polk LSiM 704C
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
    Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • jdavidjdavid Posts: 46
    In a room of my size , 8x15, would two rsl10s be better than one svs pb 1000 or one hsu vtf-2 for home theatre, realizing the expense difference . The wireless function and small size of rsl are attractive. I realize the price comparison is unfair but would find a bigger Svs or hsu too large physically.
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 2,213
    edited October 2019
    Thing about the rsl10s is they don't dig as deep as an HSU or SVS ported sub. The RSL10 are more of a musical sub for playing above 30hz. A VTF2 will dig deep down to 16hz. For movies that is what you want deep bass.

    A VTF2 @ $600 to the door is real hard to beat. Up the budget to $900 for a VTF3 and thank me later.

    I'd take the HSU subs over the SVS till the PB3000
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk LsiM 705
    Center: Polk LSiM 704C
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
    Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • Anyone have experience with refurbs from Amazon? Through world wide stereo....looking at a Denon 4500
  • rpf65rpf65 Posts: 2,112
    I’ve bought from W W Stereo, and was very satisfied.
  • rpf65 wrote: »
    I’ve bought from W W Stereo, and was very satisfied.
    Thanks alot :)
  • jdavidjdavid Posts: 46
    Thanks. Will have to deal with WAF on subs . Just so I know what is out there is there anything smaller than vtf2 ( or smaller than PB 1000) you like for HT better than rsl 10s that is deeper than the rsl?
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,265
    edited October 2019
    jdavid wrote: »
    Thanks. Will have to deal with WAF on subs . Just so I know what is out there is there anything smaller than vtf2 ( or smaller than PB 1000) you like for HT better than rsl 10s that is deeper than the rsl?

    The SVS SB2000 will get you awfully close extension wise assuming you have some room gain which most do, it just won’t get you nearly as much output/slam that a big ported sub will. Now of course, I’m that room I think you will be pretty amazed at the SB2000...

    Is a cylinder an option? Less floor space but it does stand out lol. The PC2000 is probably the closest to the vtf2 and might even rival the output/extension of the vtf3.
    Living Room 2.1: Dynaudio Contour 1.3mkii; Energy s10.2 sub; Cambridge Azur 851A; Cambridge Azur 851C; Bryston BPD-1
    Game Room HT: Denon AVR-X4200w; Definitive Technology SM350; Definitive Technology LCR2000; Definitive Technology Procinema 800; Mirage Nanasats; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5
    Master Bedroom
    Cambridge Azur 551r; Definitive Technology SM45; ACI Titan Subwoofer; Squeezebox Touch
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 24,442
    mrloren wrote: »
    Thing about the rsl10s is they don't dig as deep as an HSU or SVS ported sub. The RSL10 are more of a musical sub for playing above 30hz. A VTF2 will dig deep down to 16hz. For movies that is what you want deep bass.

    A VTF2 @ $600 to the door is real hard to beat. Up the budget to $900 for a VTF3 and thank me later.

    I'd take the HSU subs over the SVS till the PB3000

    hmm... still haven't ever seen my subwoofer dig. Must have the wrong kind.
    Not punchy either -- well, maybe, if it's been drinking...

    :#
  • Welp, been a nice run with my S20s and S30, but after the finish on them started bubbling and Polk never responded to any of my emails, I got rid of them and upgraded to QAcoustics 3020i and 3090ci.
  • jdavidjdavid Posts: 46
    Interesting . Could pc2000 be placed in a corner and could it be in any any corner or just in corner front with front speakers?
  • jdavidjdavid Posts: 46
    And could it even be in a corner behind a couch used for seating while viewing so it is on opposite corner from front speakers?
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,265
    jdavid wrote: »
    And could it even be in a corner behind a couch used for seating while viewing so it is on opposite corner from front speakers?

    For HT LFE that’s fine, in fact perhaps even preferable since you’ll get more impact that way. However, you will want to keep the crossover pretty low otherwise it will be very noticeable with music. 80hz at the highest but preferable 50-60 which you could do with the s20s.
    Living Room 2.1: Dynaudio Contour 1.3mkii; Energy s10.2 sub; Cambridge Azur 851A; Cambridge Azur 851C; Bryston BPD-1
    Game Room HT: Denon AVR-X4200w; Definitive Technology SM350; Definitive Technology LCR2000; Definitive Technology Procinema 800; Mirage Nanasats; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5
    Master Bedroom
    Cambridge Azur 551r; Definitive Technology SM45; ACI Titan Subwoofer; Squeezebox Touch
  • jdavidjdavid Posts: 46
    And I assume that the PC2000 is not too much for my 8x 15 room ( which does have an opening on one side, an open archway to living room) with sig 30 center and 20 left and right, and 10 or 15 surrounds, and possible ceiling MC60 atmos (but not sure if room too small).
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,265
    jdavid wrote: »
    And I assume that the PC2000 is not too much for my 8x 15 room ( which does have an opening on one side, an open archway to living room) with sig 30 center and 20 left and right, and 10 or 15 surrounds, and possible ceiling MC60 atmos (but not sure if room too small).

    SVS has really good CS. Call them and ask; they won't oversell you.
    Living Room 2.1: Dynaudio Contour 1.3mkii; Energy s10.2 sub; Cambridge Azur 851A; Cambridge Azur 851C; Bryston BPD-1
    Game Room HT: Denon AVR-X4200w; Definitive Technology SM350; Definitive Technology LCR2000; Definitive Technology Procinema 800; Mirage Nanasats; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5
    Master Bedroom
    Cambridge Azur 551r; Definitive Technology SM45; ACI Titan Subwoofer; Squeezebox Touch
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 2,213
    edited October 2019
    jdavid wrote: »
    And I assume that the PC2000 is not too much for my 8x 15 room ( which does have an opening on one side, an open archway to living room) with sig 30 center and 20 left and right, and 10 or 15 surrounds, and possible ceiling MC60 atmos (but not sure if room too small).

    Room is never to small for big subs, never too much bass, so a wall falls down you know the bass works :)

    My wife was like WTF when I got the VTF2, she complained till the first movie. When your system sounds better than a theater she might like it. A VTF2 is not that big.

    Oh and add at least one set of ATMOS speakers. All you need to get more of the experience.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk LsiM 705
    Center: Polk LSiM 704C
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
    Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,265
    mrloren wrote: »
    jdavid wrote: »
    And I assume that the PC2000 is not too much for my 8x 15 room ( which does have an opening on one side, an open archway to living room) with sig 30 center and 20 left and right, and 10 or 15 surrounds, and possible ceiling MC60 atmos (but not sure if room too small).

    Room is never to small for big subs, never too much bass, so a wall falls down you know the bass works :)

    My wife was like WTF when I got the VTF2, she complained till the first movie. When your system sounds better than a theater she might like it. A VTF2 is not that big.

    Oh and add at least one set of ATMOS speakers. All you need to get more of the experience.

    U mean vtf3 right?
    Living Room 2.1: Dynaudio Contour 1.3mkii; Energy s10.2 sub; Cambridge Azur 851A; Cambridge Azur 851C; Bryston BPD-1
    Game Room HT: Denon AVR-X4200w; Definitive Technology SM350; Definitive Technology LCR2000; Definitive Technology Procinema 800; Mirage Nanasats; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5
    Master Bedroom
    Cambridge Azur 551r; Definitive Technology SM45; ACI Titan Subwoofer; Squeezebox Touch
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 2,213
    edited October 2019
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    mrloren wrote: »
    jdavid wrote: »
    And I assume that the PC2000 is not too much for my 8x 15 room ( which does have an opening on one side, an open archway to living room) with sig 30 center and 20 left and right, and 10 or 15 surrounds, and possible ceiling MC60 atmos (but not sure if room too small).

    Room is never to small for big subs, never too much bass, so a wall falls down you know the bass works :)

    My wife was like WTF when I got the VTF2, she complained till the first movie. When your system sounds better than a theater she might like it. A VTF2 is not that big.

    Oh and add at least one set of ATMOS speakers. All you need to get more of the experience.

    U mean vtf3 right?

    I went from STF2 to a VTF2-MK2 to now a VTF3-MK5. The size difference from the STF2 to the VTF2 was a "what the heck is that". one good movie and it was all good. I think it was Titanic, might be a chick flick but there some good audio and when the ship breaks up.

    That's the thing about WAF, first movie has to be one they like

    Oh and my friend that bought the VTF2 from me, his wife was the same WTF till he played a movie.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk LsiM 705
    Center: Polk LSiM 704C
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
    Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • jdavidjdavid Posts: 46
    Learning a lot on this forum now decided on sig 30 and 20 over front and center and probably PC 2000 ( and s 10 or 15 surrounds) . Not decided on whether to add ceiling Atmos yet I tend to consult with installer on site.
    Next is receiver!
    Realizing Denon 4500 is step up from 3600 but curious about differences in features.
    From initial look appears 4500 has (and 3600 does not): AL32 processing with bass sync and Auro 3D but 3600 has ( and 4500 does not) : Dolby Atmos Height and HDCP 2.3 ( not significant as far as I understand). Both have Dolby Vision and IMAX enhanced and eARC, and others all similar I think.
    Looking for now just at features and without knowing future firmware updates -
    ( will probably keep whatever I buy
    What is the view on the significance of the different features and did I miss any?
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,265
    If you can swing it go with the 4500.

    Sounds like an awesome setup!!
    Living Room 2.1: Dynaudio Contour 1.3mkii; Energy s10.2 sub; Cambridge Azur 851A; Cambridge Azur 851C; Bryston BPD-1
    Game Room HT: Denon AVR-X4200w; Definitive Technology SM350; Definitive Technology LCR2000; Definitive Technology Procinema 800; Mirage Nanasats; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5
    Master Bedroom
    Cambridge Azur 551r; Definitive Technology SM45; ACI Titan Subwoofer; Squeezebox Touch
  • jdavidjdavid Posts: 46
    Left out - will probably keep whatever I buy for some time.
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 2,213
    I 2nd going for the 4500

    Here is the 31lb 4500
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    and the 26lb 3600
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    Most of the weight increase is power supply

    We watched the new Spider man last night, Yes add a pair of ATMOS speakers

    One thing over looked is the speaker cable. Please use a decent cable like Monoprice for inwall
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk LsiM 705
    Center: Polk LSiM 704C
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
    Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • jdavidjdavid Posts: 46
    Rethinking signature center channel selection , had decided onS30 but just saw that Brent Butterworth who wrote the Wirecutter rave review first choice selection of Signature HT system (S15 30 and 10 system) just stated in his comments/answers to questions to the article his opinion:

    That 3 S15s would be better than 2 S15s and S35 ( he had previously noted he thought S30 probably slightly preferable to S35) . Since I am getting S20s this would mean 3 S20s with one for center. Has anybody tried 3 S20s or 3 S15s up front??
  • jdavidjdavid Posts: 46
    I should add the questioner included links to several notable articles by recognized sources in favor of this including Audioholics, and two names that sound familiar to me Darryl Wilkinson and Mark Fleischmann.
  • rpf65rpf65 Posts: 2,112
    Most people, not all,will say that matching the front three speakers is the best option.

    The problem is that either people don’t have room or it will be visually unpleasant. Placing a 40 inch tall speaker under a tv in the living room could strain a considerable number of relationships.

  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,265
    rpf65 wrote: »
    The problem is that either people don’t have room or it will be visually unpleasant. Placing a 40 inch tall speaker under a tv in the living room could strain a considerable number of relationships.

    How many significant others do you have?!?
    Living Room 2.1: Dynaudio Contour 1.3mkii; Energy s10.2 sub; Cambridge Azur 851A; Cambridge Azur 851C; Bryston BPD-1
    Game Room HT: Denon AVR-X4200w; Definitive Technology SM350; Definitive Technology LCR2000; Definitive Technology Procinema 800; Mirage Nanasats; Sub - HSU VTF-2 MK5
    Master Bedroom
    Cambridge Azur 551r; Definitive Technology SM45; ACI Titan Subwoofer; Squeezebox Touch
  • rpf65rpf65 Posts: 2,112
    None. A woman would be an idiot to consider being in a relationship with me. I really can’t bring my self to respect idiots.
  • jdavidjdavid Posts: 46
    Yes, as to the center channel in my case using a vertical bookshelf S20 the question is can a 65 oled be above it without th eTV being too high?

    And if it cannot be done what would be better —an S20 above the TV angled down or using a S30 placed at same tweeter level as left and right S20s?
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,778
    An S20 is going to be too big as a center, height wise. The S30 is the better option and the tweeters in the center do not have to match the height of the tweeters in the left or right speakers.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
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