New MIT cables, adjustable articulation!

heiney9

I think she was hoping to find more people with preconceived notions and closed minds to form a united front against all. When that didn't happen now she's not getting the ego stroke she needs so time to find it elsewhere. Many times I think there is a slight mental imbalance too.

lightman1

I still like a good hot dog, no matter what.

tonyb

lightman1 wrote: »

I still like a good hot dog, no matter what.

Considering what goes into a Hotdog, I can believe that Russ.

lightman1

Chicaygo style, of course!

tonyb

lightman1 wrote: »

Chicaygo style, of course!

Of course....they say you are what you eat. Given a Chicago hotdog, I think it's safe to say we all have a little Jimmy Hoffa in us....if ya know what I'm sayin'.

tonyb

Now, back to MIT....I don't suppose these new cables will be making the demo rounds soon. Don't know if I can afford the insurance alone on 80k cables.

lightman1

They cost twice as much as my first house. Plus my lowly Emeralds would die of embarrassment just being near those cables.

tonyb

Lol....can you imagine the depreciation on those puppies after 2 years of ownership ? Probably be lucky to get 30k for them.

befuddle

Although its somewhat hypocritical of me But I gotta admit I sometimes enjoy a good hot dog too. It can be interesting what comes out of them!

tonyb

Comes outta them.....or you ?

befuddle

exactly

leftwinger57

you guys are so wrong. Those Chicago dogs have ketchup, mustard, raw onions,relish, tomatoes, and all sorts of other stuff on them. I'll take a Sabretts dirty water dog N.Y style w/ mustard and sauerkraut any day over that. See, as we all know it's a matter of taste just to throw that up to you guys ...lol

lightman1

I will agree with Lee in that aspect.
But a good Carolina dog is darn tasty as well. Mustard, chili and coleslaw. Grilled dog.

halo71

Awww dang, she is no longer contributing? She did tell me once that her hubby was a member her.

madmax

lightman1 wrote: »

I will agree with Lee in that aspect.
But a good Carolina dog is darn tasty as well. Mustard, chili and coleslaw. Grilled dog.

I've had those, very good!

The West Virginia dogs are delicious too, hot dog sauce (spicy chili without beans), mustard and onions on steamed buns. Nothing like it! You say you want ketchup, relish or coleslaw on it? Get the H*E*L*L out of my shop! or What the H*E*L*L is wrong with you? Yep, heard it said more than once.

lightman1

I know....it's Lew.....autocorrect insisted your name was Lee. I win!!

txcoastal1

Ketchup and hotdog should not be in the same sentence

lightman1

Get it?

Paradoxex

2chnfan wrote: »

And its with this reasoning of MIT existing as one of the highly regarded manufacturers in this field it would naturally be assumed that at that given price point a respectably noted performance increase in relation to cost would be expected.
In a field where product reputation and company respect play a major role in their success within the discerning audiophile community Mr.Brisson must feel confident from a business and reputation standpoint to release and market this product as their all out top model

There's a reason this thread exists, and I think it is because the "respectably noted performance increase" is under some scrutiny. At what point do the diminishing returns of audio investment become a literal plateau beyond which there really isn't discernible improvement, just difference?

At the least, I must admit it has been hard for me to wrap my head how these are twice as nice as $40,000 cables, and it gets harder when they need to be 3-400 times nicer than older variants of their own cables. I get that they aren't due to aforementioned diminishing returns, but I have to admit I find it hard to believe people would by these cables without first confirming that there are magical leprechauns playing sweet music with the hamstrings of unicorns as they improve the sound passing through the beautifully milled aluminum (not platinum, WTF!) chassis.

The best justification for these is that they are "statement" pieces, which is a concise way of saying that the value proposition is dismissed here (or is "subjective"), because these are just darn cool and are meant to show what can be done, at great profit to the designer.

The only way to put an end to this debate is for MIT to let the forum demo these cables so members can listen and let us all know if a set of these are worth two luxury sedans, a nice home in much of America, or all the room and electrical treatments and sound isolation technology you can imagine to lower the noise floor in other ways.

Absent MIT sending us these cables, someone must volunteer to buy them. Who's game?

littlewoodboats

Xcapri, Are you also of the opinion amplifiers do not matter? Using your "measurements are the only thing that matters" criteria then all 100 watt amplifiers not driven to their extreme limits would sound the same?

Lord Vader

lightman1 wrote: »

Get it?

NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

lightman1

F1nut

xcapri79 wrote: »

Claims without proof become baseless claims.

Let's see the proof of your beloved emo gear.

mikeyb128

It's happening again...

F1nut

The inside of what I believe is an Oracle network box.

DarqueKnight

xcapri79 wrote: »

"Extrapolating" implies one wouldn't necessarily need to hear, but rather extrapolate what one might hear based on experience? Isn't this an example of expectation bias, no?

It has been argued here that one had to hear the difference for themselves and not extrapolate anything.

Go back and re-read my comment you quoted. Calm down, breathe, and read slowly. I specifically said:

"extrapolating what the performance benefits might be"

The phrase "might be" implies that you still have to listen and verify.

xcapri79 wrote: »

Show me on a scope and properly conducted repeatable listening tests that these cables can make an audible difference at least. Claims without proof become baseless claims.

Show me on a scope and properly conducted repeatable listening tests that these cables CAN'T make an audible difference at least. Claims without proof become baseless claims.

littlewoodboats

F1nut wrote: »

The inside of what I believe is an Oracle network box.

Is the adjustment so a person can dial in the cables to match the attached gear? With the discussions regarding system synergy it seems the adjustability could serve a legitimate purpose other than looking cool.

If I understand this correctly, speaker cable measurements will be a combination of inductance, resistance, and capacitance with all three combined dictating how the cables will work in a given system. Any change in one or more for those three paramaters can change how a cable might sound in a system. Is this interaction what is referred to as synergy?

If the above is correct then the adjustment in the network box is used to dial in the cable to the system?

F1nut

Is the adjustment so a person can dial in the cables to match the attached gear?

It adjusts the articulations points, which in turn allows you to best match your gear. MIT interconnects have an adjustment on them that allows you to best match the input impedance of your gear.

Is this interaction what is referred to as synergy?

It's certainly part of it.

If the above is correct then the adjustment in the network box is used to dial in the cable to the system?

Correct.

Another aspect that some folks overlook in their zeal to poo poo MIT and other high end cables is the actual configuration of the cable. I have seen the guts of a lot of cables out there, but nowhere close to all of them. With that in mind, I can say that MIT has a configuration unlike any other I have seen. It's a far cry from stranded wire.

tonyb

Most higher end cables are a far cry from regular stranded wire.....and that's the point isn't it ? Once you go beyond the same stranded belden wire used in many brands, you'll hear and appreciate the differences.

BTW....as Dirty Harry once said...." Nobody puts ketchup on a Hotdog". I tend to agree.

F1nut

F1nut wrote: »

xcapri79 wrote: »

Claims without proof become baseless claims.

Let's see the proof of your beloved emo gear.

So, the best response you've got to my question is to LOL a bunch of posts?