New MIT cables, adjustable articulation!

madmax

http://www.mitcables.com/products/the-articulation-control-console.html
These look interesting, no price yet.

michaeljhsda2

I was looking at those yesterday and I think they were 60,000 to $70,000...yep

http://www.mitcables.com/available-in-stores/acc-268-articulation-control-console.html

http://www.mitcables.com/available-in-stores/acc-206-articulation-control-console.html

michaeljhsda2

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Emlyn

Around $80,000 for a pair of the top of the line 45 lb metal boxes:

http://www.mitcables.com/available-in-stores/acc-268-articulation-control-console.html

msg

Loosely kicking around the idea of an 11.2 with these. Maybe a couple of 2.0 in Zones 1 and 2, also?

madmax

I'll stick with the under $1K version that I still think sounds amazing.

Only reason I'm looking at MITs is that I'm upgrading my old Shotgun S3s with the S1s. Now that they have the newer S3.1s these older cables are going a little cheaper. Even still, the ones I've received so far still look absolutely new.

I can see moving up the chain from zip cord to $500 cables or from $300 cables to $1K cables. Maybe even up to $3K cables. Moving up to $80K cables seems a little excessive to me.

Nightfall

If I win the Powerball I'll buy a set. Shotguns all around for the regulars too!

honestaquarian

The shotgun S1's do wonders for the bass. I have a pair on the bottom end of my 3.1TL's.

ken brydson

msg wrote: »

Loosely kicking around the idea of an 11.2 with these. Maybe a couple of 2.0 in Zones 1 and 2, also?

I like my tunes but for that coin I'd pick up a new Lamborghini ...

footwedge

michaeljhsda2 wrote: »

I was looking at those yesterday and I think they were 60,000 to $70,000...yep

http://www.mitcables.com/available-in-stores/acc-268-articulation-control-console.html

http://www.mitcables.com/available-in-stores/acc-206-articulation-control-console.html

Even if I had money to burn which I don't, no way.

ken brydson

I was joking...

ken brydson

DSkip wrote: »

ken brydson wrote: »

I was joking...

I know, but I've seen some of the garages these guys keep. They are worth more than I'll make in my lifetime.

You don't want to see my garage...

nooshinjohn

DSkip wrote: »

ken brydson wrote: »

I was joking...

I know, but I've seen some of the garages these guys keep. They are worth more than I'll make in my lifetime.

I would love to turn Jay Leno's garage in to my mancave.

Nightfall

...or Seinfeld's.

Joey_V

I have to say this...

W.
T.
F.

11tsteve

Joey_V wrote: »

I have to say this...

W.
T.
F.

yeah... we're all at different levels of W. T. F. around here.....

tonyb

11tsteve wrote: »

Joey_V wrote: »

I have to say this...

W.
T.
F.

yeah... we're all at different levels of W. T. F. around here.....

Heck man, my whole life has been a constant variation of WTF's. lol

Color me confused, but I see nothing really to warrant such a price increase from MIT for those cables.

madmax

tonyb wrote: »

Color me confused, but I see nothing really to warrant such a price increase from MIT for those cables.

Seeing won't sell cables like that, they have to deliver something. Admittedly some of that something is the branding and perceived science behind them, but they still have to deliver.

F1nut

Tony, those are a brand new series.

heiney9

Come on Tony, you are really judging something by a snippet and photo's.

You know better than that. Maybe they aren't worth the $$$ being asked (who pays retail for cables anyway) but they certainly are something different than we've seen before.

Don't write them off with just a glance, we pummel people that do that around here. Keep that open mind you always seem to have.

I will say it doesn't matter how much improvement they make in MY rig, I couldn't justify the cost for ME personally.

H9

mikeyb128

I will keep my eye out for them at 75% off on MIT clearance

tonyb

F1nut wrote: »

Tony, those are a brand new series.

Yeah man I know, still....

I'm not writing them off, MIT has many series to suit anyone's wallet. I'm just confused in the sense that they think a higher priced ticket item would sell well in today's economy. Call me crazy, but you'd think a little trickle down tech into some lower lines would sell more cables.

BTW X,

You can comment all you want, on things you've never heard or experienced yourself. It won't mean jack to anyone, but you'll feel good about yourself for it. If self gratification is your goal, rock on.....we could all use a good chuckle every now and then.

tonyb

DSkip wrote: »

Tony, that product is not intended for our market. That product is for the ultra high end found in Asia.

Got that Skipper, which is why I don't see where the money is invested with this series from them. Not that much anyway. You can't tell me the box alone is worthy of such an increase in price. Asia has their problems too economically, they aren't as rich anymore as some might think. As a company, I would think MIT would want to appeal to a broader base rather than a niche market. That's kinda like you Skip, as a dealer, carrying products you know only a handful of people can afford. Wouldn't you invest your dollars in things that make the best sales ? Otherwise you may find yourself in trouble financially. Mit has many series to fall back on, I get that, but to excite the broader base, some trickle down tech would be more in tune to generating new sales than a niche super high end product.....I would think anyway.

I like Mit cables, but a tad overpriced in my view compared to other brands of similar quality. This series just seems to emphasize that for me. Now if they made the wire from a meteor 4 billion years old or something like that.....lol.

F1nut

It's a statement item. Kind of like VW building the Bugatti Veyron, which has now been upstaged by the Chiron.

heiney9

^this^

All manufacturer's have statement pieces.............why?................just because........

DarqueKnight

I find it odd that MIT goes to some length to describe the aluminum enclosure, but says nothing about what's inside the box. For $80K, I would expect some detailed discussion on parts quality, particularly rotary control switches which are known to be sources of noise if they are not of very high quality.

This is not a product I would be interested in because I do not like tone controls.

With regard to retail price, I have to be able to make some sense of what is being asked. A rule of thumb for high end audio is that retail price is typically 5X the cost of parts. This markup accounts for development, manufacturing, marketing, and distribution costs.

In the case of my Pass Labs X600.5 monoblock amps, the retail price per pair is $22,000. Dividing that by 5 gives a parts cost per pair of $4400, or $2200 for each amplifier. I can easily see how a thick, milled aluminum case, custom low noise high power toroidal transformer, and premium circuit boards and premium board components (particularly ultra low noise power transistors) would cost $2200. Pass Labs is not hesitant to publish schematics and to discuss in detail their circuit designs and parts choices.

Applying the 5X rule to the $80,000 Articulation Control Console gives a parts cost of $16,000. I would need substantially more than "faith" to make me believe that that nice milled aluminum box and the parts therein came up to, or anywhere near, $16,000.

F1nut

Ray, they would be happy to discuss the product. Just give them a call or click on the link in their site. There is also a large PDF download available.

For now there is this.

The internal parts of each ACC interface are primarily handmade and require about 200 hours of labor to complete. Each component is meticulously matched, piece by piece. every part is positioned and hand soldered in place. The complexity and number of networks involved require more internal space and insulation from vibration. This is managed by mounting and isolating the network assemblies on an internal plinth, eliminating sympathetic resonances that can affect playback. The result is imaging of unprecedented clarity and dimension.

DarqueKnight

F1nut wrote: »

Ray, they would be happy to discuss the product. Just give them a call or click on the link in their site. There is also a large PDF download available.

For now there is this.

The internal parts of each ACC interface are primarily handmade and require about 200 hours of labor to complete. Each component is meticulously matched, piece by piece. every part is positioned and hand soldered in place. The complexity and number of networks involved require more internal space and insulation from vibration. This is managed by mounting and isolating the network assemblies on an internal plinth, eliminating sympathetic resonances that can affect playback. The result is imaging of unprecedented clarity and dimension.

I did download and read the ACC brochure, and I saw the part you quoted. I didn't see anything in the brochure that justifies an $80 asking price, or even a fourth of that.

DarqueKnight

DSkip wrote: »

Regardless, I am sure there is solid justification for the price tag, but its incomprehensible to us common folk.

If there is solid justification, it would not be incomprehensible to us common folk. I'm not an aeronautical engineer, but I can understand a basic explanation of why a jet fighter costs $50 million. I can even understand why a mil-spec toilet seat costs $800.

There is a class of goods termed "carriage trade" which refers to merchandise marketed exclusively to wealthy individuals who want something "different" from us common folk. Such goods have exorbitant prices to create "exclusivity", but usually offer no performance or quality benefit over much less expensive items. They are packaged and finished expensively though.

F1nut

This is not a product I would be interested in because I do not like tone controls.

Let's say they are tone controls and in a sense they are, just as every piece of gear in your rig is.

With regard to retail price, I have to be able to make some sense of what is being asked. A rule of thumb for high end audio is that retail price is typically 5X the cost of parts. This markup accounts for development, manufacturing, marketing, and distribution costs.

I'm sure you are not alone in that line of thought. I can't say I've ever thought about any product like that and I'm sure many others haven't either. Interesting, none the less.

Paradoxex

In other forums and literature, not all of it written by people who use coat hangers as speaker wire, I have read that you want the sound to be as unaltered as possible by the cables. Some expensive cables label themselves explicitly based on this dictum. That said, my understanding of tone controls are that they would somehow color the signal. Put another way, other than one precise setting, such controls would permit manipulating the signal at the expense of true-to-life accuracy. Is that appealing?

I could have it wrong. Perhaps the message is that some recordings will need to be tuned in, if you will, one way and others, well, need a different tonal touch. Along those lines, I guess these allow you to customize the cable influence to the individual source. This is a conceptual question, but can we even know without listening to the cables first?

I freely admit I've never used expensive cables, much less stuff that would qualify for WhatsBestForum featuring. So forgive my ignorance. And...please don't shoot. I swear it is genuine.