This is not a good winter

tonyb

nooshinjohn wrote: »

.... you know you are my huckleberry.

Hell man, I used to be your Gooseberry....moving down in the world I am.

Curious again, I've seen those standard propane tanks but don't they make kits to add additional tanks or do you have to just buy a bigger one ?

tonyb

madmax wrote: »

I think I've used it 4 times in the past 7 years.

Dude...whens your birthday ? I'll throw an Iron in the mail for ya.

madmax

tonyb wrote: »

Dude...whens your birthday ? I'll throw an Iron in the mail for ya.

Ha ha, they smooth out nicely when hung damp fresh out of the washer! I will say that if you don't hang right away the wrinkles are a world of hurt.

zane77

Never used propane, but call me stupid if I ask why people don't buy bigger tanks and fill up early on when prices are cheap.[/QUOTE]

The propane companies make it easy to rent a 500 gallon tank (which only holds 400 gallons) for about $50 a year. To buy a 1000 gallon tank will cost you $2000 plus. I bought propane last week for 3.30 a gallon, so for what some of you others are paying that almost makes it feel cheap. 15 years ago you could buy it for less than $1'a gallon at the end of the summer. But they are now using a ton of this stuff to dry corn for ethonal. Which is another can of worms. None of the propane companies around here will rent a 1000 gallon tank. Kind of got you by the short ones.

exalted512

zane77 wrote: »

To buy a 1000 gallon tank will cost you $2000 plus.

This is true too. It's usually cheaper to buy (2) 500 gallon tanks. A tank that big is also a big eye sore. If you go underground, you can add $1000 to the cost of just the tank, not to mention the labor involved.
-Cody

SCompRacer

tonyb wrote: »

Illinois as a state....you can keep it.

Now Southern IL is a whole different world. Some of em don't like the northern part much either...lol

This winter reminds me of winters of old. Heavy snowfall this season. The other day I read we were like 18" shy of the 80.6" record in '79. Wife and I lived in Rockdale then.

Hofy

exalted512 wrote: »

Probably no choice in a mobile home park, but for everyone else - no one wants to spend the money up front and would rather **** about it when it comes time I'm assuming.
-Cody

Yep, no choice here. We have a huge community tank and everyone is metered off it. Nice part is we only get charged for what we use.

jbooker82

zane77 wrote: »

. But they are now using a ton of this stuff to dry corn for ethonal.

It is used to dry corn for storage so it doesn't rot. Ethanol production doesn't require dry corn. Fermentation is a wet process, and the left over corn mash is sold wet to feed lots.

tonyb

SCompRacer wrote: »

Now Southern IL is a whole different world. Some of em don't like the northern part much either...lol

This winter reminds me of winters of old. Heavy snowfall this season. The other day I read we were like 18" shy of the 80.6" record in '79. Wife and I lived in Rockdale then.

That snow storm in '79, I was in the middle of it driving a 26 ft U-Haul truck towing a Ford Maverick behind from Kansas City to Glenview Illinois. Wanna talk white knuckled ? Going under the under passes in the right lane and winding up on the left lane when I came out the other side.

Funny thing is, I made it and the next morning I went to unhook the Maverick. The engine was coated 4 inches thick in ice, started right up too that little sh&t box. That was a helluva winter man. Don't ever want to do that again.

jon s

Luckily I live in Hawaii where we only worry about tsunamis, hurricanes and the occasional earthquake. Global warming forecasted several things...
1. hotter summers
2. colder winters
3. more droughts
4. severe flooding
5. more intense hurricanes and tornadoes

Why? Global warming raises the ocean temperatures which affects everything. it is starting to impact the world's food supply. Droughts are reducing crops and livestock. The higher water temps are destroying the corals which disrupts the ocean's cycle of life. I am telling you right now, our children will be living in a world of hurt...

We are living and looking at the current impact but are doing nothing about the future of our descendants.

tonyb

jon s wrote: »

Luckily I live in Hawaii where we only worry about tsunamis, hurricanes and the occasional earthquake. Global warming forecasted several things...
1. hotter summers
2. colder winters
3. more droughts
4. severe flooding
5. more intense hurricanes and tornadoes

Why? Global warming raises the ocean temperatures which affects everything. it is starting to impact the world's food supply. Droughts are reducing crops and livestock. The higher water temps are destroying the corals which disrupts the ocean's cycle of life. I am telling you right now, our children will be living in a world of hurt...

We are living and looking at the current impact but are doing nothing about the future of our descendants.

Wow, you mean we never had any of that before ? Hot summers, colder winters, droughts, flooding, tornados,hurricanes. Speaking of which, this year we had the least amount of hurricanes in a long time.

What your referring to is that El Nino effect out in the Pacific which can drastically change things. Ocean currents are affected by numerous things, tin cans and plastic bottles not being one of them. Ocean currents are also affected more so by solar activity, earths axis, which again, CO2 emissions have nothing to do with. Earthquakes, which also are not effected by CO2, have the power to move the planet off axis slightly, and over time....it can add up too. Last biggie in Japan moved the whole island. Way too many variables that effect the planets climate to say man is the devil.

We've had droughts, flooding, big storms, way before our industrial revolution. Flooding so bad it changed the Mississippi river, all before man sprayed his first aerosol can, fired up the first combustion engine. I'm not saying the planet isn't getting warmer, what...about 1.5 degrees in the last 100 years, just that man isn't responsible for it. Nor to we have the power to change it, over and above the power mother nature wields.

If you look at the past history of climatic events, when it floods....people move in land. When it's cold, they move south. Too hot...they move north. People adapt to climatic changes....or risk everything by ignoring it. For instance, you build a city, even just a house on the San Andres fault line...would you not expect to be hit by an earthquake sooner or later ? You live in Florida, would you not expect a hurricane to roll up your arse sooner or later ? Please then, tell me how much money it would take to keep hurricanes out of Florida, earthquakes from not happening, summers to be a constant 85 degrees, or winter to be a lamb every year. Give me a figure, and explain how that is accomplished. To think less fossil fuels will overpower mother nature....sounds a tad crazy to me.

You live in Hawaii, and if you did any research on your island, you'd know there were a few Hawaii's before the one you live on now. They are at the bottom of the ocean stretching north/northwest. While new islands are being created by Volcanic activity, yours at some point in time will also end up at the bottom of the ocean....no fossil fuel reduction will change that scenario. Point being, we have huge gaps of time where we can live relatively unchanged anywhere on the planet. But at other times, sh$t changes, shifts, rises and falls, by no man made behavior.

Does that mean that someday those precious coral reefs will disappear ? Yeah, they will, but then others will be made. Those coral reefs you see today were not always there, right ? Just seems pretty silly to think that if man changed his behavior, sent more money to politicians, that this would all go away....won't happen. But if it makes you feel good, makes you feel like your doing your part to save the planet from yourself, roll with it.

westmassguy

Well put tonyb. I would add, that the sole source of heat in the universe is the Sun, directly and indirectly, and the most prevalent greenhouse gas is........ wait for it.......water vapor. Neither of these are taken into account in "Climate Models". The reason is very simple, they cannot measure or predict them accurately, and never will. That's why Carbon Dioxide was chosen as the weapon for the Kool-Aid drinkers. You can measure industrial output, even cow flatulence, and Tax people for it.

pitdogg2

Carbon Dioxide is an easy evil..What you almost never hear them talk about is Methane. There is Billions of tons of it locked up in ice in the arctic and antarctic. Russia alone has enough of it locked up that if warming started and that Russian ice alone would be like 10x worse than any of the worst carbon dioxide models they've come with yet.

madmax

So long as everyone pays their carbon tax global warming won't become an issue. Unless of course the Sun becomes more active or a cow farts.

George Grand

We're quite fortunate to have the Polk Audio scientists on board.

westmassguy

You don't have to be a scientist to smell a rat

pitdogg2

George Grand wrote: »

We're quite fortunate to have the Polk Audio scientists on board.

well I'm no scientist but I did sleep at a holiday Inn and they had Nat Geo channel

westmassguy

pitdogg2 wrote: »

well I'm no scientist but I did sleep at a holiday Inn and they had Nat Geo channel

You funny man LOL

treitz3

tonyb wrote: »

That snow storm in '79....

Good lawd almighty, do I ever remember THAT storm. Just South of DC at the time. If memory serves me correctly, we were out of school for about a week and a half. A kid's paradise!!!

Tom

ken brydson

http://www.youtube.com/embed/xKy2lLNQYrI?rel=0&iv_load_policy=3&showinfo=0

treitz3

Haha! That is Charlotte right now.

Tom

obieone

This snow/ ice storm SUX!!! I've had my car running for like 30 min., and it still hasn't thawed! Trying to get the ice off the glass is like trying to peel wall paper.

pitdogg2

Hammer works well...you'll never need to worry about ice again...but spring might be different

treitz3

Nothing like bugs in the mouth come springtime!

Tom

tonyb

obieone wrote: »

This snow/ ice storm SUX!!! I've had my car running for like 30 min., and it still hasn't thawed! Trying to get the ice off the glass is like trying to peel wall paper.

Stop cryin'...LOL. Next week it will probably be 60 degrees down there and you'll be BBQ-ing your butt off. Suppose to hit 40 here in Crazy town.

exalted512

Back to 70* by the end of this week. Everything will be right again in the world.
-Cody

mhardy6647

so... I guess it's comin' to New England... tomorrow.
Pretty tonight, though...


DSC_8706 by mhardy6647, on Flickr

mrbiron

^^^Do you hold marching band practice in your yard? Maybe heard them gigantic NH squirrels? Why are there so many tracks in the snow!?!?!

mhardy6647

:-) the tracks are (virtually all) from turkeys! Some deer and other critter tracks, but the turkeys are always wanderin'
around out there (Susan & I, who prefer our snowscapes pristine, are less than thrilled).


DSC_8667 by mhardy6647, on Flickr

mantis

another 8 to 12 inches coming tonight, wonderful