Jim Salk gives Emotiva as an amp recommendation
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Why are you upset you fell for that scheme..lol
No one made any such claim you're really reaching trying to find crap to complain about..OYE!
Next we are going to hear how white van speakers are just as good as Polk's.
"They said they are audiophile speakers when the guy in the van sold them to me."ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables -
No one made any such claim you're really reaching trying to find crap to complain about..
Um...yeah they did.
"Emotiva’s Reference Series components are a cost-no-object assault on setting the standard for audiophile components - it’s just that Emotiva’s costs are still much less than the competition. Compare to the finest equipment in the world, and you’ll be surprised at the results!"
I would say that constitutes a "claim"......wouldn't you ?HT SYSTEM-
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B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
Diy stuff is rarely the same as the real thing, especially in the case of Pass diy. Nelson lays out the basics but the diy'er is left with a lot if leeway. So that's a poor example in your comparison.
Personal opinion/observation. Pass Labs could charge a lot more $$$ and get it and have the same level of production output. For a boutique brand they are very reasonable $$$.
In some cases, the DIY exceeds the original...:cheesygrin:The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
DarqueKnight wrote: »Even when common commodity electronic parts are used, the hand measuring and matching procedures of some high end companies drives up the actual costs. For example, let's say a certain power transistor costs $5 and 50 are bought. After measuring and matching, only 10 of the 50 meet design specs. That means the real cost of those 10 transistors is $25 rather than $5. It is the same as when I buy a $20 box of 10 saxophone reeds and only two meet my needs. I can't send the other 8 back. My real cost is $10 per reed rather than $2..
So I hear you ...not only are some high end shops using rare components but they will match them.2.2 Office Setup | LG 29UB55 21:9 UltraWide | HP Probook 630 G8 | Dell Latitude | Cabasse Stream Amp 100 | Boston Acoustics VS 240 | AUDIORAX Desk Stands | Mirage Omni S8 sub1 | Mirage Omni S8 Sub2 -
Why are you upset you fell for that scheme..lol
No one made any such claim you're really reaching trying to find crap to complain about..
Yep that's me.White van speakers run by my Soundesign receiver.
Seems to me after months of this Emo droning that you are trying so badly to get approval from people here on the forum you'll say anything.It's not about convincing us,it's about convincing yourself.Main Rig-Realistic AM/FM Record player 8 track boasting 4 WPC
Backup Rig-2 CH-Rogue Audio Zeus w/Factory Special Dark Mods,Joule-Electra 300ME Platinum Preamp,OPPO-105 w/Modwright Tube Mod, Auralic Aries G2.1,Polk 2.3TL,3.1TL's,Dreadnought,RTA-15TL's,1C's All Fully Modded,2xRTA-12c's ,Benchmark DAC3 HGC,Synology NAS,VPI Scout w/Dynavector DV-20XH and Rogue Audio Ares Phono Preamp,Sony PCM-R500 DAT,HHB-850 Pro CDR,Tascam CC-222SLMKII Cassette/CDR,MIT S3.3 Shotgun Cables,Shunyata Hyra-8,Shunyata and Triode Labs Power Cords
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For a cheap entry into a decent ht setup, I'd have no issue recommending them provided the speakers don't have a similar voicing. They are what they are, just like every other company, but for some reason they have a lot of zealous followers.
Interesting, yet painful, thread. I run RTi-A7s and an Emo XPA-200 for two-channel listening. The amp is my first venture into separates, and I did notice an immediate improvement relative to the AVR's amplification. However, I do feel the sound is still somewhat 'thin' which I have been trying to address by adjusting the receiver's parametric equializer - with not-yet-fully-satisfied results. I'm not sure whether my dissatisfaction rests with the speakers or the amp. At this point, I'm more interested in upgrading the amp than the speakers (because I'm still enamored by the speakers). Perhaps in the next 12 months, I'll be ready to upgrade the amp. My price point would be approximately $1500-$2000. I'd like to buy new because I'm nervous about used gear. What models and brand names would you suggest? Thank you.Yamaha RX-V667 Receiver, Emotiva XPA200 Amp, Polk RTi-A7 Mains, Polk CSi-A6 Center, Polk FXi-A6 Surrounds, SVS SB2000 Subwoofers, Furman ELITE-15PFi Power Conditioner -
This whole Emo debate has been going on for months now.
This is a forum run by Polk Audio for polkies.Sure everyday we talk about all aspects of hifi but in the couple years I have been here I have never seen so much time spent going back and forth on really a non-issue.
You like Emo? Great,enjoy.You don't? Don't buy it.
So many decent threads have gotten off course and hijacked by this debate it has become boring.
You want to talk Emotiva? Go to their forum.Open signup there I believe.Main Rig-Realistic AM/FM Record player 8 track boasting 4 WPC
Backup Rig-2 CH-Rogue Audio Zeus w/Factory Special Dark Mods,Joule-Electra 300ME Platinum Preamp,OPPO-105 w/Modwright Tube Mod, Auralic Aries G2.1,Polk 2.3TL,3.1TL's,Dreadnought,RTA-15TL's,1C's All Fully Modded,2xRTA-12c's ,Benchmark DAC3 HGC,Synology NAS,VPI Scout w/Dynavector DV-20XH and Rogue Audio Ares Phono Preamp,Sony PCM-R500 DAT,HHB-850 Pro CDR,Tascam CC-222SLMKII Cassette/CDR,MIT S3.3 Shotgun Cables,Shunyata Hyra-8,Shunyata and Triode Labs Power Cords
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Yes, I'm looking for a warmer sound. A quality solid-state amp is more likely to fit within my price range than a well-built tube amp, yes? I'll probably take your advice and post a new thread. Thank you.Yamaha RX-V667 Receiver, Emotiva XPA200 Amp, Polk RTi-A7 Mains, Polk CSi-A6 Center, Polk FXi-A6 Surrounds, SVS SB2000 Subwoofers, Furman ELITE-15PFi Power Conditioner
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Thanks DSkip :cheesygrin:
I to believe I've come a long way since the PC thread as well.
I have talked with many members here through PM and feel I still have a lot to learn and I am trying Hard to stay out of trouble with my posts, while I feel I have been doing a good job at that there are more senior members here that are relentless about Polking fun at a certin brand that many members here own..
No where else on this forum do you see that kind of negativity fir any other brand..
Like I've been told here countless times, you have no right to comment negatively on a product if you have not heard it..To be honest, I don't get that vibe from posts I remember. J is really just scratching the surface of the rabbit hole, but I've noticed a great, positive change in his attitude ever since he got that power cord. His mind was opened with that experience and it shows. He might own emo, but he is not an emoette in my books. Sure, there's a post now and then, but go back and check out that pc thread if you want closed minded J.
He's a good polkie as far as I'm concerned.ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables -
Gee lets look at your post Brgman, according to you, no more Classifieds unless its to sell Polk, no more any other category unless its Polk related..
You know that's not going to happen, no more talking about Ushers, or Carvers speakers let alone other amps unless they are Polk..lol
Too funny, my first big laugh of the day..This whole Emo debate has been going on for months now.
This is a forum run by Polk Audio for polkies.Sure everyday we talk about all aspects of hifi but in the couple years I have been here I have never seen so much time spent going back and forth on really a non-issue.
You like Emo? Great,enjoy.You don't? Don't buy it.
So many decent threads have gotten off course and hijacked by this debate it has become boring.
You want to talk Emotiva? Go to their forum.Open signup there I believe.ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables -
I mentioned SS because you seem to have a focus on HT with your setup. If you're looking pure 2 channel, tubes are great, but SS is usually preferred for HT for a number of reasons.
I like HT, but I love music. I realize that I probably picked the wroing speakers, but I still like them. In actuality, my system is used 50/50 by the family.Yamaha RX-V667 Receiver, Emotiva XPA200 Amp, Polk RTi-A7 Mains, Polk CSi-A6 Center, Polk FXi-A6 Surrounds, SVS SB2000 Subwoofers, Furman ELITE-15PFi Power Conditioner -
Yes, I'm looking for a warmer sound. A quality solid-state amp is more likely to fit within my price range than a well-built tube amp, yes? I'll probably take your advice and post a new thread. Thank you.
I know it has already been mentioned that you start a new thread. But my advice would be to find a nice preamp first. Not sure what receiver you are using but I think you would see better results with a decent preamp. A tubed preamp is what I would be looking for if I were you.--Gary--
Onkyo Integra M504, Bottlehead Foreplay III, Denon SACD, Thiel CS2.3, NHT VT-2, VT-3 and Evolution T6, Infinity RSIIIa, SDA1C and a few dozen other speakers around the house I change in and out. -
...you must be an engineer and play sax or an instrument?
Guilty on both counts.$2k is a good chunk and opens up many doors for you.
Especially if you shop wisely in the used market.This whole Emo debate has been going on for months now.
Well, Emo sets themselves up for this sort of thing when they claim to be offering "world class" amplifiers that don't measure up to the hype.This is a forum run by Polk Audio for polkies.Sure everyday we talk about all aspects of hifi but in the couple years I have been here I have never seen so much time spent going back and forth on really a non-issue.
The entertainment value makes the topic irresistible to some. I think Bose and Monster get far worse knocks on this forum.You like Emo? Great,enjoy.You don't? Don't buy it.
One could also advise that, if these types of threads are troublesome to you, don't read and/or participate.So many decent threads have gotten off course and hijacked by this debate it has become boring.
It's obviously not boring to some. This thread is running 9 pages so far.You want to talk Emotiva? Go to their forum.Open signup there I believe.
Many of us get the impression that speech is not as free over there as it is here.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
I wonder how the owners of the Gen I amps feel now that even Emo admits they weren't all that.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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I wonder how the owners of the Gen I amps feel now that even Emo admits they weren't all that.
And yet they ban anyone that points out the above on their own forums. I guess spiking their brand of Kool Aide with a bit of truth is considered a hate crime or something.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
Come on now really your going to start to pick on people's emotions now to make them feel bad about buying a Gen 1 amp?
I guess companies are not allowed to make revisions in their product line for the next series coming out..
Should the owners of Polk Lsi series be angry now they released the LsiM series..
Many companies release upgrades for their products to address certain issues, now wether they can be implemented on current models remains to be seen or if they will do something for their Gen 1 customers remains to be seen.
Just let it be now enough..I wonder how the owners of the Gen I amps feel now that even Emo admits they weren't all that.ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables -
Here is the follow up article to what SCompRacer posted to give an idea of the funds, time and gamble involved in designing a new circuit. This is strictly to illustrate why some brands/designers charge more . Read the entire article not so much for the accolades of the product but what was involved in finally getting it to market. Yes, $10K for a pair of mono's and $5K for a stereo version isn't cheap, but then considering what was involved it's a bargain. This is part of the reason why intro level amps like Emotiva are cheap and some boutique brands are expensive. It's up to the consumer to decide what path they want to take.
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/superioraudio/equipment/0912/first_watt_sit_1.htm
Here's part of the final comment:
This is the best such that I have encountered, and while getting these made [static induction transistors or SIT's] was an expensive gamble, it exceeded all expectations. If I sold none of these amplifiers at all, the design insights gained were worth the effort. --- Nelson Pass"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
DarqueKnight wrote: »Guilty on both counts.2.2 Office Setup | LG 29UB55 21:9 UltraWide | HP Probook 630 G8 | Dell Latitude | Cabasse Stream Amp 100 | Boston Acoustics VS 240 | AUDIORAX Desk Stands | Mirage Omni S8 sub1 | Mirage Omni S8 Sub2
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I'm an Engineer want-to-be and play drums. You know the type, the DIY/fixit hands-on tech type that did not hit the books hard enough....85 college creds/ No Degree, ET Tech School Certificate, and a fancy job title...
The above is true of an unfortunate number of high end audio company founders.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
nooshinjohn wrote: »And yet they ban anyone that points out the above on their own forums. I guess spiking their brand of Kool Aide with a bit of truth is considered a hate crime or something.
Like Bose!Klipsch The Nines, Audioquest Thunderbird Interconnect, Innuos Zen MK3 W4S recovery, Revolution Audio Labs USB & Ethernet, Border Patrol SE-I, Audioquest Niagara 5000 & Thunder, Cullen Crossover II PC's. -
Not really Kurt, Polk doesn't state they use highest quality components, nor to they insinuate they are "High end". I do however get your point, but Polk is far and away not entry level, at least the upper lines anyway. They have a broader market base where as Emo caters to one.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
It's the derogatory nature of your term "fanbois" that is the issue, to my mind. And I think it's funny, because Polk is to speakers pretty much as Emotiva is to amps, to my mind. They are both dissed by people that are purists with a lot of money to spend on "top 1 percent" equipment. But I enjoy both Polk and Emotiva as great value for the money, and am happy to be a repeat customer of both companies.
Whatever...The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
Man, Emotiva is just killing it. A great man like Jim Salk is on-board, as he should be. Total game-changing products. Superior sound to the masses for a mere pittance. We owe both a debt of gratitude as well as a debt of money to this revolutionary company. Hip hip, hooray for EMOTIVA!!!
Two Channel Setup:
Speakers: Wharfedale Opus 2-3
Integrated Amp: Krell S-300i
DAC: Arcam irDac
Source: iMac
Remote Control: iPad Mini
3.2 Home Theater Setup:
Fronts: Klipsch RP-160M
Center: Klipsch RP-160M
Subwoofer: SVS PB12NSD (X 2)
AVR: Yamaha Aventage RX-A2030
Blu Ray: Sony BDP-S790
TV Source: DirecTV Genie -
....The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
You'd have to be bored to spend your life flaming Emotiva threads on a message board. Bored, lonely, pretty much the works. Hope things look up for you!
Two Channel Setup:
Speakers: Wharfedale Opus 2-3
Integrated Amp: Krell S-300i
DAC: Arcam irDac
Source: iMac
Remote Control: iPad Mini
3.2 Home Theater Setup:
Fronts: Klipsch RP-160M
Center: Klipsch RP-160M
Subwoofer: SVS PB12NSD (X 2)
AVR: Yamaha Aventage RX-A2030
Blu Ray: Sony BDP-S790
TV Source: DirecTV Genie -
Loud & Clear wrote: »You'd have to be bored to spend your life flaming Emotiva threads on a message board. Bored, lonely, pretty much the works. Hope things look up for you!
Man, I was really hoping your remarks were being said tongue-in-cheek...
And John doesn't spend his whole life doing that; he did find time to build some world-class looking tube amps. :cool:So, are you willing to put forth a little effort or are you happy sitting in your skeptical poo pile?
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Loud & Clear wrote: »You'd have to be bored to spend your life touting Emotiva threads on a message board. Bored, lonely, pretty much the works. Hope things look up for you!
Fixed that for ya.....:biggrin:HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
Loud & Clear wrote: »Man, Emotiva is just killing it. A great man like Jim Salk is on-board, as he should be. Total game-changing products. Superior sound to the masses for a mere pittance. We owe both a debt of gratitude as well as a debt of money to this revolutionary company. Hip hip, hooray for EMOTIVA!!!
This is what forum member Jhayman had to say about that when he got his new McCormack amp to replace the game changer....All I can say is WOW, I feel ashamed, I put on my smiles Davis album and now I know what you guys are talking about, this amp just opened up the music so much more than my Emo did..
I'm not knocking the Emo I just did not know what I was missing before till now..
Many micro details the bottom end is deep, he soundstage is bigger than before..
Those drum brushes with all the wire whisk like things used to sound like more of a hiss, type noise than the whisk but now it's all whisk and done proper, same with trumpet very clean sounding I Love It..
Yeah, those emo amps are real game changers. :rolleyes:
I don't know how you do it L&C, sticking BOTH feet in your mouth is quite a feat.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Holy Crap, whats this thread still doing active lol...
Just let it die....
Till the next one shows up..."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
EndersShadow wrote: »Holy Crap, whats this thread still doing active lol...
Just let it die....
Till the next one shows up...
That will take all of....what....10 minutes ?HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's