Jim Salk gives Emotiva as an amp recommendation
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Habanero Monk wrote: »I know Polk calls them bookshelfs.
And yet you continue to babble nonsense. So much for being a man of your word.
In simple terms that hopefully you'll grasp this time. Just because the speaker is described as a bookshelf (a term carried over from long ago) does not mean the only place it can be used is on bookshelves. I mean really, who puts speakers on bookshelves these days!?!Political Correctness'.........defined
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Can we vote these trolls off the island!?!?!?
I have yet to see any one of them bring anything positive to this forum.
Only annoying sycophantic dribble about Emotiva.
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nooshinjohn wrote: »Yep... nothing quite like trying to put words and thoughts into the mouth and mind of a man you have never met. Your credibility is top notch with me.:rolleyes:
Uh, you are the collective trying to put words in his mouth. Please remember I was the one after a good # of posts corrected the thinking that Mr. Salk is the one that mentioned 'Inexpensive'.
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I mean really, who puts speakers on bookshelves these days!?!
That would be me. The CRS+s in my office at work are in bookshelves on the wall facing my desk.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
Habanero Monk wrote: »credibility stands with you.
Because you don'y have any2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
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And yet you continue to babble nonsense. So much for being a man of your word.
In simple terms that hopefully you'll grasp this time. Just because the speaker is described as a bookshelf (a term carried over from long ago) does not mean the only place it can be used is on bookshelves. I mean really, who puts speakers on bookshelves these days!?!
Coming from the person that thinks a speaker is either a floor stander or a bookshelf. But then again considering the crowd at hand not to surprised at the limited breadth of understanding there are more shades to it.
I'm supposedly not interacting with the person off the street here. Sheesh. -
Habanero Monk wrote: »No we don't agree. That is asking of me to guess someone else's opinion of one vs the other. I know he recommended the amps, I don't know in what or if any particular order.
I suggest you listen to both amps and form your own opinion. It is obvious for those that have heard Emotiva, vurses BAT to which order Jim Salk was referring to them. If you haven't heard the differences between the two amps/brands you should not suggest that it is "unknown" as you have no clue. If you have heard both amps/brands, but still have no clue to which order he was referring to them, you have no clue and should not suggest there is no order to which Jim Salk was referring to them. Why can I make this statement? I will quote my last post, again:Ah, so you do agree that when he mentioned the XPA-2, Jim Salk was listing it as a minimim level of "getting the job done" compared to the BAT VK-600 which excels at "getting the job done". Great! Let's close the thread. Also, there is no emphasis on 'inexpensive' implied. It is a fact that the XPA-2 is less expensive than the BAT VK-600. Just as it's a fact that the Emotiva XPA-2 has a narrower and less deep soundstage compared to the BAT VK-600.
Also, as I already stated, the subjective and preferential qualities are the tonal qualities of these amps. That is, having a warm tone, neutral tone, or bright tone.
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
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My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
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I have both BAT and Emotiva, one is for HT and the other is for music, You definately can not put the two in the same class. I can't believe this has gone on this long, both have their place. The Emo equipment was a GREAT starting point for me with seperates but I would not compare BAT and Emotiva as equals. This is just my opinion with my ears. I will let everyone else have their own opinion because they are not listening with my ears. When I first got my Emo's, that was my first step into seperates and I couldn't believe the difference. but now i have taken a further step and their is another dimension to the sound that is presented. Just my 2 cents and please don't beat me up, I love both alternatives.Home Theater
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From this thread at avsforum, 10/2012. Post 7792. Copy and paste, no text omitted, I added bold to text. Another opinion with some good advice at the end, IMO.:cheesygrin:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/939744/the-official-salk-sound-owners-and-discussion-thread/7770I have owned the Emotiva LPA-1 and also heard the XPA-2 in Jim Salk's shop. The W4S/Parasounds are superior in my opinion. The Emotiva's were thin in the mids and had an edgy sound to them in my opinion. They aren't what I'd call a "relaxed" or "smooth" amplifier. The W4S on the other hand is smoother but without losing detail or air, if that makes sense. It's hard to hear what an amplifier does (which usually is hardly anything in my experience) when it's not in your own system, though. I heard the W4S amps with my speakers, but it was at Patrick's house (Warpdrv), so not exactly apples to apples. I did, however, compare a number of amps in my own system including the Parasound and the Emotiva stuff. If I had to purchase an amp right now it would probably be the Parasound A21 for class A/B or a Wyred ST-500 for digital. For the money you're getting great build quality and a serious amount of performance; so much so that there's nothing to complain about in this price range in my opinion. And honestly, a lot of these amps sound very similar, if not the same, so once you reach a certain level of quality you shouldn't have a problem. Some people even say there's no difference between a 300 receiver's amps and dual monoblock 300 watt SS amps. To each their own, so long as they are happy.
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Habanero Monk wrote: »Coming from the person that thinks a speaker is either a floor stander or a bookshelf. But then again considering the crowd at hand not to surprised at the limited breadth of understanding there are more shades to it.
I'm supposedly not interacting with the person off the street here. Sheesh.
No matter how you try to twist things, as ususal you've still got a big 'ol bag of nothing. :rolleyes:Political Correctness'.........defined
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DarqueKnight wrote: »That would be me. The CRS+s in my office at work are in bookshelves on the wall facing my desk.
Yeah, yeah....you know what I meant.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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And, we have gained what?
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I'm confused. Is Emotiva bad or bad compared to high end?afterburnt wrote: »They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.
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I wouldn't say bad but if you want to spend the money there is always better. At their price point they are hard to beat for new, you can always check out the used market for others.Home Theater
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I'm confused. Is Emotiva bad or bad compared to high end?
No, not bad. Emotiva is considered entry level, not high end. There's a difference between the 2 in price, build quality, and of course....sound quality.HT SYSTEM-
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So they are good for the money, beginner, etc.afterburnt wrote: »They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.
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Check out there website and check their forum for info...
This is the wrong forum to be asking about Emotiva as you can figure out not much Love here for them..
The few that do own them here have no issues with them that I am aware of..
One good thing they do offer is a 30 day trial see if any of the more expensive brands offer that..So they are good for the money, beginner, etc.ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables -
Surely there are members here that own high end but understand the position somebody like myself is in. DSkip seems to be fair about what I presume Emotiva to be.Check out there website and check their forum for info...
This is the wrong forum to be asking about Emotiva as you can figure out not much Love here for them..
The few that do own them here have no issues with them that I am aware of..
One good thing they do offer is a 30 day trial see if any of the more expensive brands offer that..afterburnt wrote: »They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.
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So they are good for the money, beginner, etc.
From the review link that SCompRacer posted...The Emotiva's were thin in the mids and had an edgy sound to them in my opinion. They aren't what I'd call a "relaxed" or "smooth" amplifier.Political Correctness'.........defined
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Emotiva makes perfectly fine gear at their price point, and many people love the gear, and are content with what they have. However, like anything else in the world, there is always something better, and generally speaking, it costs more. So, you can start with Emo and have a fine system, and if you get the urge you can always upgrade later.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
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Are you telling me that Jim Salk had the nerve to recommend amps for his speakers without getting the approval of the Polk Forum Guru's? Who does he think he is?:rolleyes:
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Are you telling me that Jim Salk had the nerve to recommend amps for his speakers without getting the approval of the Polk Forum Guru's? Who does he think he is?:rolleyes:
I don't think any of the Polk Forum Gurus have a problem with Jim's recommendations. The problem was with some people trying to misrepresent that Jim Salk was implying that Emotiva was in the same performance class as Van Alstine and BAT. Emotiva engages in the same misrepresentation when they say things like this:
"Emotiva’s Reference Series components are a cost-no-object assault on setting the standard for audiophile components - it’s just that Emotiva’s costs are still much less than the competition. Compare to the finest equipment in the world, and you’ll be surprised at the results!"
Source: http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/reference-series
On the web page referenced above, Emotiva is claiming that their amplifiers costing between $1500 to $2000 are "cost-no-object" assaults setting standards for audiophile components, when the truth is, $2000 won't even approach the parts cost of some top of the line audiophile amplifiers.
Some people believe this nonsense that they are getting a "world class", "reference level" audiophile component "comparable to the finest equipment in the world", when in actuality they are only getting a very good entry level component.
Emotiva knows damn well that someone shopping for a $1500 to $2000 amp is not going to go to the trouble of comparing it to the likes of BAT, Krell, Pass Labs, etc.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
DarqueKnight wrote: »I don't think any of the Polk Forum Gurus have a problem with Jim's recommendations. The problem was with some people trying to misrepresent that Jim Salk was implying that Emotiva was in the same performance class as Van Alstine and BAT. Emotiva engages in the same misrepresentation when they say things like this:
"Emotivas Reference Series components are a cost-no-object assault on setting the standard for audiophile components - its just that Emotivas costs are still much less than the competition. Compare to the finest equipment in the world, and youll be surprised at the results!"
Source: http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/reference-series
On the web page referenced above, Emotiva is claiming that their amplifiers costing between $1500 to $2000 are "cost-no-object" assaults setting standards for audiophile components, when the truth is, $2000 won't even approach the parts cost of some top of the line audiophile amplifiers.
Some people believe this nonsense that they are getting a "world class", "reference level" audiophile component "comparable to the finest equipment in the world", when in actuality they are only getting a very good entry level component.
Emotiva knows damn well that someone shopping for a $1500 to $2000 amp is not going to go to the trouble of comparing it to the likes of BAT, Krell, Pass Labs, etc.
You raise some very good points as always DK... any mention of the words "entry level" and Emo in the same thread even will get you banned from their website. They are doing all that thy can to buy credibility, yet failing to understand that it is EARNED and not bought.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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Hmm anyone want to unload some Emo gear for me to see what the buzz is all about? Good/bad whatever - I'd like to see first hand.Main Surround -
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Hmm anyone want to unload some Emo gear for me to see what the buzz is all about? Good/bad whatever - I'd like to see first hand.
They have an easy "no hassle" 30 day return policy... all you need to do is pay return shipping! What a great offer when you consider the cost of returning an 85 pound amp.:rolleyes:The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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bahaha. I'll check the pawn shop heheMain Surround -
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At least they offer a way to try their gear, I would be most Happy to pay return shipping if I could try a Pass, Krell or others..
So kudos to them for offering it..
Don't you think sales would increase for those companies if they offered this?
How much is it to try the MIt cable program after paying shipping and insurance close to a bill I think?nooshinjohn wrote: »They have an easy "no hassle" 30 day return policy... all you need to do is pay return shipping! What a great offer when you consider the cost of returning an 85 pound amp.:rolleyes:ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables -
At least they offer a way to try their gear, I would be most Happy to pay return shipping if I could try a Pass, Krell or others..
So kudos to them for offering it..
Don't you think sales would increase for those companies if they offered this?
This Pass Labs dealer offers 10 day trials:
"Satisfaction Guaranteed - All products from Reno Hi-Fi come with a ten-day, in-home demo so you can be absolutely sure you are happy with your investment in sound."
http://renohifi.com/
A Krell dealer list can be found here: http://www.krellonline.com/buy.html
I have never encountered a high end dealer that did not allow some form of in home trial for amps. They typically keep demos around for this purpose. It is inconceivable that a dealer would expect you to keep an expensive amp that did not suit your needs.
I look forward to your Krell and Pass Labs reviews!Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
How much is it to try the MIt cable program after paying shipping and insurance close to a bill I think?
Depending on distance and whether FedEx (cheaper) or UPS was used to ship, about $40 to $50 to demo $3300.00 worth of S3.3 cables.
Note: that demo is now closed. A new one is on the horizon.Political Correctness'.........defined
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