Documenting: My SDA-1c upgrades from start to finish

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  • skipshot12
    skipshot12 Posts: 2,164
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    That made me raff, never had a bonafide chile cheese dog.

    Chili cheese dog from Rutt’s Hut in jersey.
    It’s worth a trip. They call their dogs rippers.
    Was my mom & pops hangout when they were dating.

    You’re not a vegetarian, you eat hot dogs.
    Define bona-fide regarding chili cheese dogs….
  • skipshot12
    skipshot12 Posts: 2,164
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    Any chile sauce as in Coney Island on a dog?
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    2025 Weiner Update

    @skipshot12

    WV puts slaw on hotdogs, like they do on BBQ in NC.

    Most people who have a WV-style hotdog use chili (no beans) and slaw, with chopped onions and mustard as options.

    https://wvtourism.com/your-guide-to-the-perfect-west-virginia-hot-dog/


    2 months ago we had work started on our basement. There was a muck-up by one of the crew. My office/3D printer workshop/stereo room got blasted by concrete and paint dust.

    I'm still not sure how I'm supposed to clean it out of the stereo, my books, my printers, etc... It's such a tremendous undertaking, I don't even know where to begin.

    So, the last thing I got to test was the LF12 mod I did to my Monitor 12. As I left that project, they matched BEAUTIFULLY to the 1C to bolster the low end. Since my amp, pre, etc., have this powder inside of them now, I haven't bothered to even move them to attempt to clean them. I don't have another space large enough to put my 3D nor stereo equipment.

    I hope I can salvage most of it, but it's going to be a slog.


    For now, I'm stuck listening to my Minimus 7, a NeoHipo dac, and a teeny Fosi digital amp. It is surprisingly good for nearfield stereo, but it just doesn't scratch the itch of the system I worked so hard to put together.

    Anyhow, there's the update. I'll chime in again when I figure something out and get to test the LF12 with the 1C again.

    https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/200797/new-mod-project-lf12-yes-12#latest
    The Thrifty Setups in Mah House Big thrifty stereo in the basement w/ my custom SDA-1C (built with help from kind forum members) * Beautiful 1966 MCM GE console upgraded w/ Bluetooth, Dual turntable, and Paradigm speakers in family room * Swanky 1980 Realistic system and great TEAC eq with dancing colored lights in the living room * custom 5B on a system for my Dad * Ye Olde college stereo in the garage
  • msg
    msg Posts: 10,650
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    Wow. Suckage.

    My first thought for cleanup would be to take the pieces outside and use compressed air. And since it's concrete dust, I'd probably be sure to use an in-line moisture filter. In line moisture filter is a good idea for extended air dusting with electronics anyway. Maybe try it out on one or two pieces, and see how it goes.

    Are you talking interiors, surface, or both?

    For surface, I'd say air to remove as much as possible, and then maybe lay damp shop towels, or microfiber on surfaces to try to lift as much concrete dust as possible. Rinse and repeat. Thinking here that dragging a dry cloth over concrete dust could easily scratch. Finish with damp, quality, plush microfiber to wipe, then dry microfiber to, uh, dry.

    Is it paint dust from sanding or demo or something, and not overspray?

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  • plastic_avatar
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    Thank you for the ideas, @msg

    I wondered about putting an air mover in the room, vented outside, and using a leaf blower to stir up as much loose dust as I can to be vented into the world.

    Air compressor outside, for the stereo, printers, and all the exposed electronics on shelves is a good idea. I'm guessing I have to wait until May to do it =(
    Is it paint dust from sanding or demo or something, and not overspray?

    It's a combo of concrete dust from sawing and jackhammering our foundation, plus paint/mold ground off of the block walls.

    It's thick, powdery, and inside everything. It ruined 10 rolls of filament because it's like it's magnetized and stubborn to remove by wiping and compressed air in a can, and it's legitimately in nooks and crannies like you wouldn't believe.
    The Thrifty Setups in Mah House Big thrifty stereo in the basement w/ my custom SDA-1C (built with help from kind forum members) * Beautiful 1966 MCM GE console upgraded w/ Bluetooth, Dual turntable, and Paradigm speakers in family room * Swanky 1980 Realistic system and great TEAC eq with dancing colored lights in the living room * custom 5B on a system for my Dad * Ye Olde college stereo in the garage
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  • VR3
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    I dunno man, as a previous contractor, I would expect the client to request compensation for an incident like you describe. I certainly hope you approached the issue
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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    pdoggie: No need to be a dick. It's a separate addition that was sealed off and 2 doorways removed. They began work without sealing off the furnace intakes (nor directing the work area air outside), and the dust vented throughout the basement, up into our living room, and into my project room.

    @VR3 I agree. The holidays and craziness put a dent in a face-to-face with the owner. And the guy doing the Radon part got hit by a car last week (almost killed him). I expect a face-to-face later this week. We'll be talking about what it will take to clean it all. He knows what happened and that I want it fixed.
    The Thrifty Setups in Mah House Big thrifty stereo in the basement w/ my custom SDA-1C (built with help from kind forum members) * Beautiful 1966 MCM GE console upgraded w/ Bluetooth, Dual turntable, and Paradigm speakers in family room * Swanky 1980 Realistic system and great TEAC eq with dancing colored lights in the living room * custom 5B on a system for my Dad * Ye Olde college stereo in the garage
  • skipshot12
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    I’m sorry to hear that, really sucks!

    I was thinking the compressed air outside also.
    Does concrete dust react to water same as concrete? If so, I’d be blowing off as much as possible before taking a wet cloth to it.

    Any lawyers in the family that could help?
  • plastic_avatar
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    Lawyers = I think we'll be able to work it out. The owner is a really good guy, and he has a big following because of it. He's the kind of guy that his employees' kids call Uncle.

    I just need to figure out how to clean it, so I can have a plan for the things I don't trust them to clean... and to guide them, because I don't think he's had a mistake like this before, so I want to make sure I have a part in the clean-up game plan.

    That's my thinking this week, at least.

    And it's finally winter like we used to have, so I can't take anything outside yet. I'm in plan mode for our meet-up.
    The Thrifty Setups in Mah House Big thrifty stereo in the basement w/ my custom SDA-1C (built with help from kind forum members) * Beautiful 1966 MCM GE console upgraded w/ Bluetooth, Dual turntable, and Paradigm speakers in family room * Swanky 1980 Realistic system and great TEAC eq with dancing colored lights in the living room * custom 5B on a system for my Dad * Ye Olde college stereo in the garage
  • Jstas
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    Air compressors will spray moisture and lubricating oil. Not recommended for electronics. At least not without a de-ionizing dryer installed in-line. ESD standards dictate those for a minimum. You'll also need a grounded air line as compressed air can build up a static charge. There's a reason that you don't see electronics repair techs using air compressors.

    Those reasons are why "canned air" exists. It's dry, static free and non-conductive, made specifically for electronics.

    https://www.officesupply.com/technology/computer-accessories/cleaning-maintenance/air-dusters/cleaning-duster/p788559.html?ref=pla&scid=scbplp788559&sc_intid=788559&msclkid=c3ab209179a1166b7280471ebb74f062

    Using a leaf blower is a sure fire way to damage something. Unless you have a significant way to create enough displacement, kicking up a cloud of dust just to evacuate it with a simple air transfer is harder than you think and there will still be particles that are light enough to get kicked up by the massive amount of air a leaf blower will displace quickly but too heavy to remain suspended in air long enough for an evacuation system or air scrubber to be able to extract. In other words, it won't work.

    Your best bet is to invest in an ESD Anti-Static Vacuum Cleaner meant for cleaning electronics.

    https://www.northerntool.com/products/metrovac-datavac-esd-safe-anti-static-pro-series-vacuum-blower-120-volts-4-5-amps-70-cfm-model-117-117513-mdv-1esd-104687?srsltid=AfmBOoo6APxF1ZYPPgsSTiZXg3DMWhhidZtz30If8b7EwF_iZU1vW7byjG8&gQT=1

    This is your best bet because not only will it prevent the vacuum itself from frying sensitive electronics with the static fields it generates but masonry dust can and will build up a static charge in the vacuum line and an ESD vacuum will have a grounded lead to dissipate that charge through the grounding system instead of your sensitive electronics. The vacuum will remove all of the dust without introducing static electricity or moisture.

    If you're doing all these "mods" to electronics, you should have one of those anyway.
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    @Jstas THANK YOU! Insight appreciated!

    ESD Vac = You're right. I should have one. I've cheated failure with my 30-yr-old wrist strap for too long. Not joking. You're right.

    [frowns]

    I've got so many things that need cleaned. I hope this garbage didn't make its way into the openings of my album sleeves, but it ruined the foam panels for my audio recording. I can't get it out of those.

    The more I think about it, the worse it gets.

    That room was last on the repair list: sewer, Radon, water mitigation in main part if tge basement> then put the bathroom, Sarah's office, and guest room back together> then we were going to move all my stuff to the furnace room, do Radon mitigation and the floor in there, then move my stuff back in to do the walks and ceiling next year.
    The Thrifty Setups in Mah House Big thrifty stereo in the basement w/ my custom SDA-1C (built with help from kind forum members) * Beautiful 1966 MCM GE console upgraded w/ Bluetooth, Dual turntable, and Paradigm speakers in family room * Swanky 1980 Realistic system and great TEAC eq with dancing colored lights in the living room * custom 5B on a system for my Dad * Ye Olde college stereo in the garage
  • plastic_avatar
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    The best solution to the problem would have been to remove everything from the area being worked on. To not do so is simply stupid, and rather moronic.

    The rooms affected were removed from the work area. They started work without sealing what they should have, and the venting they did vented in the wrong direction. It was a mistake while the boss was not on site.

    I get that reading comprehension is affected by all the pent-up online rage some folks have, but ffs... you could be helpful instead of further cementing yourself as one of the forum's preeminent tools.
    The Thrifty Setups in Mah House Big thrifty stereo in the basement w/ my custom SDA-1C (built with help from kind forum members) * Beautiful 1966 MCM GE console upgraded w/ Bluetooth, Dual turntable, and Paradigm speakers in family room * Swanky 1980 Realistic system and great TEAC eq with dancing colored lights in the living room * custom 5B on a system for my Dad * Ye Olde college stereo in the garage
  • skipshot12
    skipshot12 Posts: 2,164
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    That ESD vacuum sounds much better than blowing air out of a compressor, never realized or thought about what Jsats said with moisture & static. Makes sense.

    Hope you don’t have a turntable and records stored in that room.
    That would be a nightmare to clean lp’s.
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  • skipshot12
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    ^ Well what the hell’s he supposed to do, clear out his whole house for a just in case someone’s a jabroni?

    If the job were done right he wouldn’t have to endure this hardship.

    Come on people….
  • msg
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    Thank you for the ideas, @msg

    I wondered about putting an air mover in the room, vented outside, and using a leaf blower to stir up as much loose dust as I can to be vented into the world.

    Air compressor outside, for the stereo, printers, and all the exposed electronics on shelves is a good idea. I'm guessing I have to wait until May to do it =(
    Is it paint dust from sanding or demo or something, and not overspray?

    It's a combo of concrete dust from sawing and jackhammering our foundation, plus paint/mold ground off of the block walls.

    It's thick, powdery, and inside everything. It ruined 10 rolls of filament because it's like it's magnetized and stubborn to remove by wiping and compressed air in a can, and it's legitimately in nooks and crannies like you wouldn't believe.
    Hoover Dam. That sucks.

    Oooh, that Air Mover idea sounds good for mass reduction. Worth a shot.
    I know this likely goes without saying - but earplugs/muffs, respirator, and close fitting goggles, while you're doing that, right?

    As if "magnetized"-y...
    I wonder if it's static. If so, you could do a quick test if you can get your hands on a Milty Zerostat used to de-stat vinyl records. You wouldn't want to use it on a broad scale - there are better tools for that - but it could help you determine whether it static or not. Hit your filament with it and then try to air dust it, and see if it comes off more easily. Or if that's just ruined-ruined, try it on something else that you're finding to be resistant to removal.

    Side note: It seems many people don't sunderstand how you work a Zerostat properly. It's not supposed to click. You're supposed to pull and release the lever slowly. If it clicks, you're moving too fast.

    From your comments about it being thick and powdery - this definitely sounds a lot more serious than a piece of gear loaded with dust under the cover.

    From your original post, I thought maybe the contractors had barrier up, and then it failed at some point while they were working.

    Either way, I can appreciate your state and concern. Even if there is some compensation or plan to rectify, I sure AF wouldn't want anyone disgrunted working anywhere near any sensitive or fragile gear, tools, or materials.

    As for compressors - you seem pretty handy, so I'm presuming you already have a compressor, but if not, you can get a small portable one from Home Depot. I purchased a couple of those at previous jobs for cleaning out computers, laptops, servers and networking gear. Just don't go max pressure, and definitely consider the inline moisture filter. I forget where I got mine. Either Harbor Freight, or Chinazon. The ones I got have beads that change color (supposedly) when moisture-saturated.
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  • msg
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    Jstas wrote: »
    Air compressors will spray moisture and lubricating oil. Not recommended for electronics. At least not without a de-ionizing dryer installed in-line. ESD standards dictate those for a minimum. You'll also need a grounded air line as compressed air can build up a static charge. There's a reason that you don't see electronics repair techs using air compressors.
    John, always a wealth of information, but on this I must respectfully disagree, citing personal experience over years of the practice - I've used plain old air compressors for years to air dust all kinds of computing and electonics gear. None of it suffered damage, and all continued to serve long after manufacturer "end of life".

    Maybe it's the type of compressor. I think I read once that pump vs. piston compressors, and that on or the other may inject oil into the air path. I've definitely read about this in cases of botched vehicle paint work.

    I have seen moisture, as well, after extended use, typically, which was when I began using inline driers for these cleanup jobs.
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  • Jstas
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    Honestly, it's easily preventable.

    If the dust got distributed through the house via the duct systems, some plastic cling wrap and magnetic vent covers would have worked wonders.

    They are essentially just sheets of magnetic paper that you would use to print stuff on to make, like, fridge magnets or a magnetic sign for a car/truck.

    They are all over Amazon.

    https://a.co/d/3Aryi3M

    I've used them with great success when I had the floors sanded. I covered the vents in the kitchen and bathroom with cling wrap and then used the magnetic covers to hold the cling wrap in place. Clean up was a breeze and no dust on anything in the other rooms that weren't being sanded.

    However, if you have dust all over your house via the ductwork then, it'd be prudent before you start trying to clean everything else to have a ductwork cleaning company clean your ductwork. Especially if there is mold in the particulates that have settled everywhere.
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  • VR3
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    Contractors bid to work in a designated area. In an occupied home you have a responsibility to keep as much dust and debris out of the non work area. This is standard practice. To argue otherwise is bizarre.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • Gardenstater
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    And they don't know that concrete dust travels when operating saws and jackhammers and grinding walls? They can't help a homeowner out by informing them that there could be a problem and a solution needs to be arrived at?

    Concrete dust doesn't travel as much as drywall mud sanding dust but I shudder to think what would happen if drywallers didn't drape off the work room. I know from personal experience that the stuff goes everywhere being lightweight flour like dust.

    Seems to me that the boss is not claiming that his rookie? employee didn't make a mistake.
    George / NJ

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    "From your original post, I thought maybe the contractors had barrier up, and then it failed at some point while they were working."

    The quickest explanation is:

    The area was *supposed* to be sealed off and the air diverted outside. It looked like it was going to happen. They botched it, didn't finish sealing off a few places, and diverted air into the wrong area. The boss should've overseen that part. I caught it too late once I got back in.

    In addition to making sure everything is done right from now on, I want to be sure I can come up with a good cleaning plan that a) I can do for the items I don't want them to touch and b) is reasonable for them to do to get the rest cleaned.

    Yadda, yadda, yadda.

    After the fact, I sealed off vents upstairs where ductwork might pick up dust from further work and put electrostatic filters in the vents I left open.

    And yes, my 'playing' albums and Luxman PD-272 and basic workhorse Ariston Q Deck are in that room =[

    And this, and that, and the other things.

    The audio equipment I had slated for giveaway to needy stereophiles was exposed (EQs, turntables, receivers). I'm going to tell recipients that part of their learning journey is cleaning the stuff I give them [laughs].

    Luckily, the expensive albums I've got slated for sale to help make it through searching for a new job this year are in the least dusty area of the 1st floor. If I had those in the other room, I'd have to choose violence.
    The Thrifty Setups in Mah House Big thrifty stereo in the basement w/ my custom SDA-1C (built with help from kind forum members) * Beautiful 1966 MCM GE console upgraded w/ Bluetooth, Dual turntable, and Paradigm speakers in family room * Swanky 1980 Realistic system and great TEAC eq with dancing colored lights in the living room * custom 5B on a system for my Dad * Ye Olde college stereo in the garage
  • joebass3
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    I have a room full of vintage stereo equipment and most of the units had about 50 years worth of crud inside when I purchased them. My approach to cleaning was to use a good quality paint brush in one hand to loosen the dust/dirt, while at the same time holding a shop vac with the other hand "very close" to the area. Make sure to install a good quality bag in the vac, rated for drywall dust. I'd rather extract the dust with a vac than potentially blowing it deeper in the unit with compressed air. I will admit that I have on occasion used the compressed air cans (along with the shop vac) to gently blow out areas that I couldn't get to with the paint brush.
  • F1nut
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    Amateurs...the dishwasher is best.
  • skipshot12
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    Nope
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    That sucks, I'm doing a bathroom at my house and since it's so cold I'm cutting the marble in the garage. It's driving me insane since the dust is settling on all the cars and I can't wash them even with heated water in -6

    I can't imagine that happening indoors.....
    2 channel: MXN10, Anthem MRX740, Anthem MCA5, SDA1c recap/RDO, JL Fathom F112V2, Tributaries series 8A, Tara labs RSC

    Theater: Above plus Paradigm reference studio 100, Polk FX300i

    Projects: SRS1.2TL, SRS 2, M5Jr+

    Party/1st floor: iPad, Marantz SR5005, Paradigm reference S100v2, monster bulk cable

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    @Striker2237 [nods sadly]

    AUGH. That's rough. Rock dust ain't no joke on car paint (says I, after a lot of experience with gravel...).

    I'm conjuring an action plan for the different groups of 'things' in the room that need cleaned (based on the suggestions here and from other friends). It may involve a fair amount of 'burning it to the ground', but I think I can salvage the most expensive things.
    The Thrifty Setups in Mah House Big thrifty stereo in the basement w/ my custom SDA-1C (built with help from kind forum members) * Beautiful 1966 MCM GE console upgraded w/ Bluetooth, Dual turntable, and Paradigm speakers in family room * Swanky 1980 Realistic system and great TEAC eq with dancing colored lights in the living room * custom 5B on a system for my Dad * Ye Olde college stereo in the garage
  • skipshot12
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    That’s good to hear.
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    @Striker2237 [nods sadly]

    AUGH. That's rough. Rock dust ain't no joke on car paint (says I, after a lot of experience with gravel...).

    I'm conjuring an action plan for the different groups of 'things' in the room that need cleaned (based on the suggestions here and from other friends). It may involve a fair amount of 'burning it to the ground', but I think I can salvage the most expensive things.

    I can't imagine dealing with it inside, my indoors cars are all ceramic coated/paint corrected so it will just wash off.

    In your case the printers alone are a nightmare.....let us know how the process goes. I was really enjoying your thread since I'm beginning my mod journey on my 1Cs
    2 channel: MXN10, Anthem MRX740, Anthem MCA5, SDA1c recap/RDO, JL Fathom F112V2, Tributaries series 8A, Tara labs RSC

    Theater: Above plus Paradigm reference studio 100, Polk FX300i

    Projects: SRS1.2TL, SRS 2, M5Jr+

    Party/1st floor: iPad, Marantz SR5005, Paradigm reference S100v2, monster bulk cable

    B&O H9 Gen3