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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 20,365
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    So, not what I did to my stereo rig today......this is more so what I am planning on accomplishing. Those of you who have read about my acoustical panels know that I love just about every aspect of them but one thing has bewildered me and I can't quite put my finger on why.

    Over the next couple of hours, I am going to remeasure the location of the speakers, in relation to the listening spot, check toe in, levelness, and the percentage of where I am at in relation to Jim Smith's "magic" starting ratio of 0.83 (for ear to tweeter/tweeter to tweeter distance).

    Gonna try to figure out why that center image went from being able to "see" the lips and face of a singer (dead center) to something a tad bit smeared after the panel installation. I haven't moved anything or added anything to the streaming rig (other than another SR PC - which helped but did not solve this issue).

    I want that image I had back. Along with everything else the panels have offered me.

    Tom
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,972
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    Ear wax buildup. :)
    Amplifiers: Norma IPA 140, MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Dac: Sonnet Morpheus 2, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
    Transport: Jay's Audio CDT2 mk2, Lumin U1 mini
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
    Speaker Cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Organic Audio Organic Reference 2
    Interconnects: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2
    Power Cables: Argento Organic Reference, Synergistic Research Foundation 10 and 12 ga.
    Digital cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2 bnc, Tellurium Q aes, Silnote Audio Poseidon Signature 2 bnc
    Puritan PSM156
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 20,365
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    Could be....but I doubt it. I think I have found the culprit already.

    Tom
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 20,365
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    So, it has been an hour of listening to demo tracks and reference tracks and I can say wholeheartedly and without reservation that the acoustical panels had nothing to do with the smearing of said center image.

    I will explain this on the acoustical panels thread I created, sometime this weekend when I can find the time. Right now, just listening.....and enjoying the fact that I found out what the issue was.

    It only took me about 30 minutes to figure out what the issue was. About an hour plus (maybe two) to correct it and listening is back to bliss.

    Tom
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 20,365
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    Measurements "while important", are not the be all to end all. They are more than welcome to go.....never mind. I will keep it civil here.

    In this case? It was actually measurements that led me to the issue. It will all be explained on the acoustical panel thread I started.

    A 16 point laser led me straight to the issue. From there? It was (time consuming) but an easy fix.

    Here is a teaser...

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    That line should be visible all of the way to the top of the room. This is what led me to the issue. Again, it had NOTHING to do with the acoustical panels.

    Tom
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 20,365
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    Holy, dear Lawd Gawd......The experience is beyond what I thought......

    At dB levels that would have previously overloaded said room.

    Tom
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 20,365
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    Actually? I was expecting the same thing. I just didn't realize that it would take this long....and that there were so many factors that would play into it...

    Thank you, otherwise. This has been a long haul and a learning experience for me.

    I only wish that other folks would take the same path...effort takes many pains, much like health. Be like Nike In this particular aspect.

    Do it! JUST DO IT!!!!!

    Tom
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • agfrost
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    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    Nice Sansui!

    Thanks--Picked it up years ago because it's so pretty. Guy I got it from let it go because he couldn't source the missing volume knob. I managed. ;)
    Jay
    SDA 2BTL * McCormack DNA 0.5 amp * Oppo BDP-93 * Modded Adcom GDA-600 DAC * Rythmik F8 (x2)
    Micro Seiki DQ-50 * Mitsubishi LT-30 * Hagerman Cornet 2 Phono
    Preamp rotation: Krell KSL (SCompRacer recapped) * Manley Shrimp * PS Audio 5.0
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  • billbillw
    billbillw Posts: 8,321
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    agfrost wrote: »
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    Nice Sansui!

    Thanks--Picked it up years ago because it's so pretty. Guy I got it from let it go because he couldn't source the missing volume knob. I managed. ;)

    Wow, that's pretty cool! I used to lust over vintage Sansui and I've never seen a white faced black framed 'tuner-amplifier', aka receiver. I've seen plenty of stand alone tuners like that and of course, integrated amplifiers, but nothing that combines both. Their G-model receivers were all silver. That must be a pretty rare unit...or maybe I was only looking at their higher powered units?
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  • billbillw
    billbillw Posts: 8,321
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    treitz3 wrote: »
    ... Be like Nike In this particular aspect.

    Do it! JUST DO IT!!!!!

    Tom

    So, with that spirit in mind, have you tried to play those files I sent you? JUST DO IT!

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  • treitz3
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    Not yet, Mr. Bill. I should have some time tonight ot this weekend to get to it. Looking forward to hearing what is sounds like.

    Tom
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • agfrost
    agfrost Posts: 2,497
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    billbillw wrote: »
    agfrost wrote: »
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    Nice Sansui!

    Thanks--Picked it up years ago because it's so pretty. Guy I got it from let it go because he couldn't source the missing volume knob. I managed. ;)

    Wow, that's pretty cool! I used to lust over vintage Sansui and I've never seen a white faced black framed 'tuner-amplifier', aka receiver. I've seen plenty of stand alone tuners like that and of course, integrated amplifiers, but nothing that combines both. Their G-model receivers were all silver. That must be a pretty rare unit...or maybe I was only looking at their higher powered units?

    Yep, it's less common/well known/sought after than G-series or X0X0 receivers. I know Doc Hardy has/had one, though!

    Has the look of their lovely tuners of the era. 50 watts in the TA-500, these are somewhat (in)famous online for being less reliable/repairable than many--there is a no longer made IC that tends to go out (I picked up a couple just in case!). Mine is in "decent" condition; I actually bought the last NOS faceplate for it available at the now defunct sansui-parts-shop dot com. In the future, when I'm more committed to audio, I'll think about installing it onto mine. For now, it rests in the vintage Japanese newspaper it was packed in.

    Jay
    SDA 2BTL * McCormack DNA 0.5 amp * Oppo BDP-93 * Modded Adcom GDA-600 DAC * Rythmik F8 (x2)
    Micro Seiki DQ-50 * Mitsubishi LT-30 * Hagerman Cornet 2 Phono
    Preamp rotation: Krell KSL (SCompRacer recapped) * Manley Shrimp * PS Audio 5.0
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 9,401
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    Nice san·soo·ee Jay! Got space on the bench, await next project. :D
    agfrost wrote: »
    I know Doc Hardy has/had one, though!


    What doc doesn't have would be a much shorter topic than what he has!
    Salk SoundScape 8's * Audio Research Reference 3 * Bottlehead Eros Phono * Park's Audio Budgie SUT * Krell KSA-250 * Harmonic Technology Pro 9+ * Signature Series Sonore Music Server w/Deux PS * Roon * Gustard R26 DAC / Singxer SU-6 DDC * Heavy Plinth Lenco L75 Idler Drive * AA MG-1 Linear Air Bearing Arm * AT33PTG/II & Denon 103R * Richard Gray 600S * NHT B-12d subs * GIK Acoustic Treatments * Sennheiser HD650 *
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 9,401
    edited June 2024
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    Basement system temporarily complete until Marantz 2245 is returned to owner. Connected to pair of Mission MS-50 speakers.

    The speakers were paired with a Denon UD-M50 receiver/cd player.

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    Salk SoundScape 8's * Audio Research Reference 3 * Bottlehead Eros Phono * Park's Audio Budgie SUT * Krell KSA-250 * Harmonic Technology Pro 9+ * Signature Series Sonore Music Server w/Deux PS * Roon * Gustard R26 DAC / Singxer SU-6 DDC * Heavy Plinth Lenco L75 Idler Drive * AA MG-1 Linear Air Bearing Arm * AT33PTG/II & Denon 103R * Richard Gray 600S * NHT B-12d subs * GIK Acoustic Treatments * Sennheiser HD650 *
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  • newbie308
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    Ever since the Snake River demo, I have been wanting to try more power cables in my system. Today I found a vintage used power cable that raised my eyebrows at a decent price, so I added it to my watch list. The seller was motivated to move it and offered a discount, so I purchased it. I remember KCI making some good interconnects (silkworm), so I imagine this power cable will be equally well made. Now I can't wait for it to arrive. Has anyone here used a KCI power cable? @marvda1
    Enjoying the journey while never attaining the destination.
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  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,972
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    @newbie308 , I reviewed the interconnects but never the power cables.
    Amplifiers: Norma IPA 140, MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Dac: Sonnet Morpheus 2, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
    Transport: Jay's Audio CDT2 mk2, Lumin U1 mini
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
    Speaker Cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Organic Audio Organic Reference 2
    Interconnects: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2
    Power Cables: Argento Organic Reference, Synergistic Research Foundation 10 and 12 ga.
    Digital cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2 bnc, Tellurium Q aes, Silnote Audio Poseidon Signature 2 bnc
    Puritan PSM156
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  • HzTweaker
    HzTweaker Posts: 1,136
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    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    agfrost wrote: »
    Found a Salamander cabinet on Craigslist for all of $20 to put in my office.

    $1200 new is a ridiculous price.

    But so is $20!

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    Nice :)
    FWIW, I sold my TA-500 last spring at the big NEVEE regional swapmeet. Don't see too many of those in the wild!
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    So, you know, I rarely post to this thread because I rarely ever do anything to my hifi -- other than the occasional rearranging of deck chairs on the Titanic kind of thing. But in the past couple of weeks, I've done two things!?! B)

    I traded my beautiful but never used Allison Ones to a nice fellow from upstate New York for a new-to-me, kitbuilt ss balanced preamp from the Hypex folks, sold under their "DIY/Class D" brand. No, it is not Class D, but that's the name of the company. :) It is actually amazingly good sounding.

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    @mhardy6647 What are your thoughts on how your Sangean HD tuner sounds?. Only curious because I'm currently using one of the exact same model. It replaced my Sansui TU-317.

    2ch rig: Speakers: LSi9s with VR3's Fortress mods Preamplifier: Parasound P5 DAC: Fiio K13 Amplifier: Parasound A23 CDP: Pioneer DV-563A Cables: Wireworld Equinox 7 XLR ICs, Wireworld Ultraviolet 7 USB, AudioQuest Q2s, AudioQuest NRG X(preamp)

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  • mpitogo
    mpitogo Posts: 523
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    Ripped it all out and put something new.

    New
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    Old
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    • Living Room Music-2.1 Polk Legend L800 | SVS SB1000Pro | McIntosh C70 | McIntosh MA5200 (Treble) | McIntosh MC452 (Bass) | Sublimeacoustic K231 Active xover | Denon DP-2500A | Denafrips Ares II | Marantz HD-CD1 | Belkin Soundform Connect | iPad Pro USB to DAC
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  • VR3
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    Is it a new camera?
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • mpitogo
    mpitogo Posts: 523
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    @pitdogg2 22” Apple Cinema Display (ADC), I think around 2004, and PowerPC Dual G5. Both still work, I spent 5K on the combo was my most expensive computer purchase at the time. All stock except it boots from SSD.

    BTW its amazing what DSP does. Yea my room sucks at 40-60hz or so…

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    • Living Room Music-2.1 Polk Legend L800 | SVS SB1000Pro | McIntosh C70 | McIntosh MA5200 (Treble) | McIntosh MC452 (Bass) | Sublimeacoustic K231 Active xover | Denon DP-2500A | Denafrips Ares II | Marantz HD-CD1 | Belkin Soundform Connect | iPad Pro USB to DAC
    • Home Theater-9.7.6/15.1 (Atmos/Auro-3D) Polk LSiM707, LSiM706c, LSiM702 F/X [x6], Height LSiM703 [x6], HSU ULS-15Mk2x4, VTF-15HMk2x2, VTF-TN1 | Trinnov Altitude 16+4 (2024) | Rotel RB-1590 (L/R) | Appollon NC500 11ch | Martin Logan MP500x2 | Topping DX7s, E50 | AppleTV 4K | Zidoo Z9X | JVC RS2100 | 150” Elite Screen Acoustic Pro UHD
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    • Office-2.1 B&W Formation Duo and Bass
    • Daughter's Gaming Rig-2.0 Ascend Acoustics Sierra LX | Martin Logan Forte
    • Orphans DSW microPRO3000x2 | Rotel RA-1570 | Marantz AV8805A
    • Guest Room 2-2.0 Klipsch RP-600M | SMSL DO100 Pro 2 | Pass ACA v1.6 Monoblocks
    • Guest Room 3-3.0 Martin Logan Motion 40, 50XT | Onkyo TX-SR705 | Apple TV | Samsung 55" TV
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 35,562
    edited June 2024
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    HzTweaker wrote: »
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    agfrost wrote: »
    Found a Salamander cabinet on Craigslist for all of $20 to put in my office.

    $1200 new is a ridiculous price.

    But so is $20!

    khh21gbcg8z5.jpeg

    Nice :)
    FWIW, I sold my TA-500 last spring at the big NEVEE regional swapmeet. Don't see too many of those in the wild!
    52721732346_30cf7de6e2_b.jpg

    So, you know, I rarely post to this thread because I rarely ever do anything to my hifi -- other than the occasional rearranging of deck chairs on the Titanic kind of thing. But in the past couple of weeks, I've done two things!?! B)

    I traded my beautiful but never used Allison Ones to a nice fellow from upstate New York for a new-to-me, kitbuilt ss balanced preamp from the Hypex folks, sold under their "DIY/Class D" brand. No, it is not Class D, but that's the name of the company. :) It is actually amazingly good sounding.

    53783169755_0f92af362f_b.jpg



    @mhardy6647 What are your thoughts on how your Sangean HD tuner sounds?. Only curious because I'm currently using one of the exact same model. It replaced my Sansui TU-317.

    I think that it sounds pretty darned good. I don't think I am supposed to think that -- but I do. ;)
    That HD tuner was acquired from a well known denizen here at the Polk forums. As it turned out, shipping had loosened up an internal connector, which I was slow to diagnose correctly :( but which was worth the effort to straighten out, as I was pretty surprised by how well it works! :)

    https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/comment/2649992#Comment_2649992
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  • HzTweaker
    HzTweaker Posts: 1,136
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    At first I preferred the sound from my Sansui but the Sangean HD tuner has grown on me and has been in the system for a couple of years now. It picks up a decent amount of HD stations as well.
    2ch rig: Speakers: LSi9s with VR3's Fortress mods Preamplifier: Parasound P5 DAC: Fiio K13 Amplifier: Parasound A23 CDP: Pioneer DV-563A Cables: Wireworld Equinox 7 XLR ICs, Wireworld Ultraviolet 7 USB, AudioQuest Q2s, AudioQuest NRG X(preamp)

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  • HzTweaker
    HzTweaker Posts: 1,136
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    I set up the LRSs and blended the sub in with em'. Spent the weekend listening to music.
    2ch rig: Speakers: LSi9s with VR3's Fortress mods Preamplifier: Parasound P5 DAC: Fiio K13 Amplifier: Parasound A23 CDP: Pioneer DV-563A Cables: Wireworld Equinox 7 XLR ICs, Wireworld Ultraviolet 7 USB, AudioQuest Q2s, AudioQuest NRG X(preamp)

    Standby: Magnepan LRS w/Magna Riser stands
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