Possible power outage for next two days

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  • Posts: 908
    Kex wrote: »
    It must be jealousy. There’s no other reason to explain such an unhealthy fascination with, hatred of California

    I don't think anyone here hates California, it's the scumbags that run the state!
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    charley95 wrote: »

    I don't think anyone here hates California, it's the scumbags that run the state!
    charley95 wrote: »

    I don't think anyone here hates California, it's the scumbags that run the state!


    ...and make their policy and laws, but that's swinging into politics which we should avoid.

    Unfortunately one would think that when it comes to these sort of things, politics/agendas should take a back seat to fixing the problem first.

    If California wants federal money to fix this, then in my opinion at least show some good faith in doing everything you can on your own first. Make an effort...because on the face, they are asking for everyone else to help pay, while they hand out free stuff left and right.

    Is that asking too much ? I don't think so....and certainly California isn't the only state asking such things.
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    charley95 wrote: »

    I don't think anyone here hates California, it's the scumbags that run the state!
    I hate the scumbags that voted for the scumbags that ruin the State.
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    I only stayed cause my kids are here otherwise I would have left ages ago. But alas they are grown and I am gone! FTP!
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    Dang man, jumped right back into the fire eh ? No pun intended. :)
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    Anyway I find it interesting that the press broadcasted all day that the Saddleridge fire may have been started by a LADWP transmission line. The laziest investigation would have revealed that the line belongs to So. Cal. Edison. Regardless I don't count on the truth to be revealed about the origin of the fire.
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    afterburnt wrote: »
    Anyway I find it interesting that the press broadcasted all day that the Saddleridge fire may have been started by a LADWP transmission line. The laziest investigation would have revealed that the line belongs to So. Cal. Edison. Regardless I don't count on the truth to be revealed about the origin of the fire.

    I hear ya bro, I wouldn't either. None the less, it's really up to the people out there to demand these issues get fixed, if not, vote someone in who will do the job. Simple as that....but in the meantime, they'll have to suffer the loss of life and property due to incompetence.
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    boston1450 wrote: »

    I'm so glad the beer is on table. LMFAO thanks now my stomach hurts from laughing
    boston1450 wrote: »

    I'm so glad the beer is on table. LMFAO thanks now my stomach hurts from laughing

    Is that Russ's clothes on those lines ?? Swear I've seen him wearing those.
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  • Posts: 7,892
    Yeah "no laws"
    California Laws Protecting Native Plants
    Some native plants are protected by California law. Important California laws for native plant protection are the California Endangered Species Act (CESA), the Native Plant Protection Act (NPPA), the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA), the Natural Community Conservation Planning Act (NCCPA), the California Desert Native Plants Act (CDNPA), and California Penal Code Section 384a.

    California Endangered Species Act
    CESA was enacted in 1984 to parallel the federal Endangered Species Act and allows the Fish and Game Commission to designate species, including plants, as threatened or endangered. CESA makes it illegal to import, export, “take”, possess, purchase, sell, or attempt to do any of those actions to species that are designated as threatened, endangered, or candidates for listing, unless permitted by CDFW. “Take” is defined as “hunt, pursue, catch, capture, or kill, or attempt to hunt, pursue, catch, capture, or kill.” There are 156 species, subspecies, and varieties of plants that are protected as link opens in new windowthreatened or endangered under CESA. Under CESA, CDFW may permit take or possession of threatened, endangered, or candidate species for scientific, educational, or management purposes, and may also permit take of these species that is incidental to otherwise lawful activities if certain conditions are met. Some of the conditions for incidental take are that the take is minimized and fully mitigated, adequate funding is ensured for this mitigation, and that the activity will not jeopardize the continued existence of the species.

    The Native Plant Program coordinates CDFW’s plant listing activities under CESA, prepares evaluation reports, and provides recommendations to the Fish and Game Commission. If you are considering petitioning the link opens in new windowFish and Game Commission to list a plant species pursuant to CESA, please email NativePlants@wildlife.ca.gov.

    Native Plant Protection Act
    The NPPA was enacted in 1977 and allows the Fish and Game Commission to designate plants as rare or endangered. There are 64 species, subspecies, and varieties of plants that are protected as rare under the NPPA. The NPPA prohibits take of endangered or rare native plants, but includes some exceptions for agricultural and nursery operations; emergencies; and after properly notifying CDFW for vegetation removal from canals, roads, and other sites, changes in land use, and in certain other situations. Please see link opens in new windowFish and Game Code section 1900 et seq. for more information.

    California Environmental Quality Act
    CEQA is a law that requires public agencies to analyze and publicly disclose the environmental impacts from projects they approve, and adopt feasible alternatives and mitigation measures to mitigate for the significant impacts they identify. During CEQA review, public agencies must evaluate and disclose impacts to the 220 plant species protected under CESA and the NPPA, and in most cases must mitigate all significant impacts to these species to a level of less than significance. In addition, during the CEQA process, public agencies must also address plant species that may not be listed under CESA or the NPPA, but that may nevertheless meet the definition of rare or endangered provided in CEQA. CDFW works in collaboration with the California Native Plant Society and with botanical experts throughout the state to maintain an link opens in new windowInventory of Rare and Endangered Plants, and the similar link opens in new windowSpecial Vascular Plants, Bryophytes, and Lichens List. Species on these lists may meet the CEQA definition of rare or endangered. As the trustee agency for the wildlife of California, which includes plants, ecological communities and the habitat upon which they depend, CDFW advises public agencies during the CEQA process to help ensure that the actions they approve do not significantly impact such resources. CDFW often advises that impacts to plant species with a California Rare Plant Rank in the Inventory be disclosed by the lead agency during project review to ensure compliance with CEQA.

    Natural Community Conservation Planning Act
    The NCCPA allows for the development of broad-based ecosystem-level plans for the protection and perpetuation of biological diversity. The primary objective of Natural Community Conservation Plans prepared under the NCCPA is to conserve natural communities at the ecosystem level while accommodating compatible land use. Plants protected under an approved Natural Community Conservation Plan may be “taken” by activities covered under the plan, but also typically receive a large amount of conservation and protection.

    California Desert Native Plants Act
    The purpose of the CDNPA is to protect certain species of California desert native plants from unlawful harvesting on both public and privately owned lands. The CDNPA only applies within the boundaries of Imperial, Inyo, Kern, Los Angeles, Mono, Riverside, San Bernardino, and San Diego Counties. Within these counties, the CDNPA prohibits the harvest, transport, sale, or possession of specific native desert plants unless a person has a valid permit or wood receipt, and the required tags and seals. The appropriate permits, tags and seals must be obtained from the sheriff or commissioner of the county where collecting will occur, and the county will charge a fee. More information on the CDNPA, including the species protected under the law, is available by reading the provisions of the law.

    Landowner permission
    Under link opens in new windowCalifornia Penal Code Section 384a a person shall not willfully or negligently cut, destroy, mutilate, or remove plant material that is growing upon state or county highway rights-of-way. In addition, a person shall not willfully or negligently cut, destroy, mutilate, or remove plant material that is growing upon public land or upon land that is not his or hers without a written permit from the owner of the land, signed by the owner of the land or the owner’s authorized agent. In addition, removing or damaging plants from property that a person does not own without permission may constitute trespass and/or petty theft.
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    Look man, I like destroying endangered species as much as the next guy but to imply that I am anti-Armenian is beyond the pale! I think you owe me an apology.
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    Racist? I obey all speed limit laws! Are you bucking for a defamation suit?
  • Burnt, no offense but you would be right at home in Waste Virgina.

    Where are you moving when you leave CA?
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    edited October 2019
    Burnt, no offense but you would be right at home in Waste Virgina.

    Where are you moving when you leave CA?

    W.Va. would be cool. General Yeager and Randy Moss are from there! I am just going to Arizona though.

    The only good things that ever came from Arizona are Barry Goldwater and Toni Tennille.
  • ^^ Burnt is already there.
    The best way to predict the future is to invent it.

    It is imperative that we recognize that an opinion is not a fact.
  • Posts: 94
    edited October 2019
    Kex wrote: »
    Yes, this has been posted twice already in this thread, and it is obviously all over the internet, but it is pure fabrication with a political intent. Fake news masquerading as the real thing.

    The only statement that is partially true is that power lines cannot be turned on with the flick of a switch. There are laws of electrical engineering regarding load management and other issues involved.

    The following documentation should shed light on this issue:

    The California Public Utilities Commission website discusses the need for and permission given to utilities for "de-energization" or Public Safety Power Shut-offs (PSPS), to protect public safety under California law, specifically California Public Utilities Code (PU Code) Sections 451 and 399.2(a).

    Public Utilities Commission Resolution ESRB-8 states:
    SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS:
    De-energizing electric facilities during dangerous conditions can save lives and property and can prevent wildfires. This resolution provides guidelines that IOUs must follow and strengthens public safety requirements when an IOU decides to de-energize its facilities during dangerous conditions.

    The change in the law is reflected in Senate Bill No. 901 CHAPTER 626
    SEC. 38. Section 8386 of the Public Utilities Code is amended to read:

    (6) Protocols for disabling reclosers and deenergizing portions of the electrical distribution system that consider the associated impacts on public safety, as well as protocols related to mitigating the public safety impacts of those protocols, including impacts on critical first responders and on health and communication infrastructure.

    So it is clear that the state government and utilities agree by law on this PSPS strategy that is initiated and carried out by the utilities to protect public safety.

    PG&E's plan required by this law is here.
  • Posts: 7,892
    ^^ Burnt is already there.

    Hey Chauncey, I think you just offended me. Unless you meant Arizona, I won't be there until probably June maybe sooner. I am still being paid to **** myself out and stay in Cali. I would consider leaving sooner but my daughter just moved in with me because her mom's a jerk, but that's my fault. Anyway if you did offend me I may just sue you too!
  • Posts: 7,892
    Kex wrote: »
    Go for it! I got the popcorn! Might be a VERY short legal altercation though...

    I am already suing you, Expect a letter from the firm of "Dewy, Screwem, and Howe" they will drink your milkshake!
  • Posts: 7,892
    Kex wrote: »
    Make sure your checkbook is ready and well cooled so that it doesn’t overheat.

    They won’t tell you that your lawsuit is frivolous in the extreme until AFTER you pay them. Depends on how good they are, but the lawyers I frequent charge about $1,000/hr.

    Not to change the subject but why are you frequenting lawyers? I mean like if you said brothels I would understand but lawyers, that's pretty freaky.
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    Kex wrote: »
    Thank you, I get all that I need at home for that. Anyone frequenting brothels is a total loser in the game of life IMO.

    I only frequent lawyers as friends and acquaintances.

    We're not all beautiful and personable like you.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

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    edited October 2019
    Kex wrote: »
    Once again. These are guidelines. Nowhere does it state that a utility can be required by law to shut off power.

    To mitigate against wildfires, the law has authorized the use of de-energization otherwise known as Public Safety Power Shutoff (PSPS) by the utilities. This is a mutually agreed upon method of mitigation.

    This is included in the utility's plan which is mandated by law and approved by the commission. The utility's compliance with this plan is assessed by a independent evaluator. The commission shall assess penalties on the utility that fails to substantially comply with its plan.

    So if a utility doesn't use PSPS and a wildfire subsequently occurs, well guess what happens to the utility? So in his situation, the utility is more likely than not to use PSPS to minimize risks.
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    BlueFox wrote: »

    Well, as of Saturday evening PG&E is saying 99% of power has been restored. They say that the lines have to be inspected before power can be restored, and they can only be inspected during the day. If this is going to be the new practice during fire season then they need to come up with an automated line inspection method so they can quickly restore power.

    Inspectors are hard at work as we speak...

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  • Posts: 7,892
    Kex wrote: »
    Thank you, I get all that I need at home for that. Anyone frequenting brothels is a total loser in the game of life IMO.

    I only frequent lawyers as friends and acquaintances.

    You have a selection of women of easy vitue at home, can I come over?
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    afterburnt wrote: »

    W.Va. would be cool. General Yeager and Randy Moss are from there! I am just going to Arizona though.

    The only good things that ever came from Arizona are Barry Goldwater and Toni Tennille.

    If not WVA, I think you'd like Vermont. You'd fit right in. :|

  • Kex wrote: »
    Once again... the utility makes the decision, not the PUC.

    What you fail to understand is that they really don't have a choice.
    They are not in a position to do otherwise under the conditions they are in.
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    la2vegas wrote: »

    That's a below the waist question. To be expected by...

    you still mad cause I said the Raiders suck? This oughtta really trigger you!3522622zcqxt.jpg
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    Kex wrote: »
    Thank you, I get all that I need at home for that. Anyone frequenting brothels is a total loser in the game of life IMO.

    I only frequent lawyers as friends and acquaintances.

    You mean you have to buy friends and acquaintances to the tune of a grand a pop!?! How sad.
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    Why is it that people no longer use the word "frequent" in proper context?
  • Posts: 7,892
    Viking64 wrote: »
    Why is it that people no longer use the word "frequent" in proper context?

    "I frequently have to buy the ol lady context when she is on the rag"
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    Everything is back to normal in Northern CA, but I guess it is still a fiery mess in Southern CA. Turns out that the wind did cause some incidents up here that resulted in down power lines. However, since the power was off there were no fires. Of course, it is unknown whether there would have been a fire if the power was still on. The discussion now is if it was necessary to kill power in such a large area, or if it could have been a smaller area. Anyway, since the climate is changing and each year there will be less rain, and a longer fire season, we need to change how power is distributed to lessen the impact of these shut offs.
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