Possible power outage for next two days

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  • KexKex Posts: 4,304
    Seven pages of this stuff, and @BlueFox didn’t even have to sacrifice a single night of beer or listening pleasure. I’m actually rather jealous that he is able to find that much time to just listen and enjoy on such wonderful equipment...
    Alea jacta est!
  • DeltadonDeltadon Posts: 94
    edited October 2019
    Kex wrote: »
    Deltadon wrote: »
    PSPS is the acronym for “Public Safety Power Shutoff”.
    New Ca law (enacted by PUC and signed by Gov Newsome) REQUIRES utilities (ALL, not just PG&E) to de-energize areas that face severe wind threat/ fire risk. [...]
    Multiply this by 50K square miles.

    This was the narrative posted as an opinion commentary in a couple of places.
    Yes, this has been posted twice already in this thread, and it is obviously all over the internet, but it is pure fabrication with a political intent. Fake news masquerading as the real thing.

    The only statement that is partially true is that power lines cannot be turned on with the flick of a switch. There are laws of electrical engineering regarding load management and other issues involved.

    The following documentation should shed light on this issue:

    The California Public Utilities Commission website discusses the need for and permission given to utilities for "de-energization" or Public Safety Power Shut-offs (PSPS), to protect public safety under California law, specifically California Public Utilities Code (PU Code) Sections 451 and 399.2(a).

    Public Utilities Commission Resolution ESRB-8 states:
    SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS:
    De-energizing electric facilities during dangerous conditions can save lives and property and can prevent wildfires. This resolution provides guidelines that IOUs must follow and strengthens public safety requirements when an IOU decides to de-energize its facilities during dangerous conditions.

    The change in the law is reflected in Senate Bill No. 901 CHAPTER 626
    SEC. 38. Section 8386 of the Public Utilities Code is amended to read:

    (6) Protocols for disabling reclosers and deenergizing portions of the electrical distribution system that consider the associated impacts on public safety, as well as protocols related to mitigating the public safety impacts of those protocols, including impacts on critical first responders and on health and communication infrastructure.

    So it is clear that the state government and utilities agree by law on this PSPS strategy that is initiated and carried out by the utilities to protect public safety.

    PG&E's plan required by this law is here.
  • KexKex Posts: 4,304
    Once again. These are guidelines. Nowhere does it state that a utility can be required by law to shut off power.
    Alea jacta est!
  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 7,142
    ^^ Burnt is already there.

    Hey Chauncey, I think you just offended me. Unless you meant Arizona, I won't be there until probably June maybe sooner. I am still being paid to **** myself out and stay in Cali. I would consider leaving sooner but my daughter just moved in with me because her mom's a jerk, but that's my fault. Anyway if you did offend me I may just sue you too!
    rpf65 wrote: »
    I’m thinking you’ve reached the point where people are afraid to open your posts.

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  • KexKex Posts: 4,304
    edited October 2019
    Go for it! I got the popcorn! Might be a VERY short legal altercation though...
    Alea jacta est!
  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 7,142
    Kex wrote: »
    Go for it! I got the popcorn! Might be a VERY short legal altercation though...

    I am already suing you, Expect a letter from the firm of "Dewy, Screwem, and Howe" they will drink your milkshake!
    rpf65 wrote: »
    I’m thinking you’ve reached the point where people are afraid to open your posts.

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  • KexKex Posts: 4,304
    Make sure your checkbook is ready and well cooled so that it doesn’t overheat.

    They won’t tell you that your lawsuit is frivolous in the extreme until AFTER you pay them. Depends on how good they are, but the lawyers I frequent charge about $1,000/hr.
    Alea jacta est!
  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 7,142
    Kex wrote: »
    Make sure your checkbook is ready and well cooled so that it doesn’t overheat.

    They won’t tell you that your lawsuit is frivolous in the extreme until AFTER you pay them. Depends on how good they are, but the lawyers I frequent charge about $1,000/hr.

    Not to change the subject but why are you frequenting lawyers? I mean like if you said brothels I would understand but lawyers, that's pretty freaky.
    rpf65 wrote: »
    I’m thinking you’ve reached the point where people are afraid to open your posts.

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  • KexKex Posts: 4,304
    edited October 2019
    Thank you, I get all that I need at home for that. Anyone frequenting brothels is a total loser in the game of life IMO.

    I only frequent lawyers as friends and acquaintances.
    Alea jacta est!
  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 9,141
    Kex wrote: »
    Thank you, I get all that I need at home for that. Anyone frequenting brothels is a total loser in the game of life IMO.

    I only frequent lawyers as friends and acquaintances.

    We're not all beautiful and personable like you.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

    Village Idiot of Club Polk
  • DeltadonDeltadon Posts: 94
    edited October 2019
    Kex wrote: »
    Once again. These are guidelines. Nowhere does it state that a utility can be required by law to shut off power.

    To mitigate against wildfires, the law has authorized the use of de-energization otherwise known as Public Safety Power Shutoff (PSPS) by the utilities. This is a mutually agreed upon method of mitigation.

    This is included in the utility's plan which is mandated by law and approved by the commission. The utility's compliance with this plan is assessed by a independent evaluator. The commission shall assess penalties on the utility that fails to substantially comply with its plan.

    So if a utility doesn't use PSPS and a wildfire subsequently occurs, well guess what happens to the utility? So in his situation, the utility is more likely than not to use PSPS to minimize risks.
  • KexKex Posts: 4,304
    Once again... the utility makes the decision, not the PUC.
    Alea jacta est!
  • KexKex Posts: 4,304
    Nightfall wrote: »
    We're not all beautiful and personable like you.
    Is this true? Why was I not informed?! 😂 👍
    Alea jacta est!
  • daddyjtdaddyjt Posts: 1,494
    BlueFox wrote: »
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Here in Northern CA it is fire season, and our power company has caused some major fires the last few years. Since they are being sued, and have declared bankruptcy due to those fires they are into overkill trying to not start anymore fires. So, at midnight they are shutting off power to quite a large area, and millions of people, for two days. I am right on the edge of the cutoff zone, and not sure if I will be affected or not. To be on the safe side I am listening to the stereo, and drinking beer tonight.

    Well, as of Saturday evening PG&E is saying 99% of power has been restored. They say that the lines have to be inspected before power can be restored, and they can only be inspected during the day. If this is going to be the new practice during fire season then they need to come up with an automated line inspection method so they can quickly restore power.

    Inspectors are hard at work as we speak...

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  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 7,142
    Kex wrote: »
    Thank you, I get all that I need at home for that. Anyone frequenting brothels is a total loser in the game of life IMO.

    I only frequent lawyers as friends and acquaintances.

    You have a selection of women of easy vitue at home, can I come over?
    rpf65 wrote: »
    I’m thinking you’ve reached the point where people are afraid to open your posts.

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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 25,836
    afterburnt wrote: »
    Burnt, no offense but you would be right at home in Waste Virgina.

    Where are you moving when you leave CA?

    W.Va. would be cool. General Yeager and Randy Moss are from there! I am just going to Arizona though.

    The only good things that ever came from Arizona are Barry Goldwater and Toni Tennille.

    If not WVA, I think you'd like Vermont. You'd fit right in. :|

  • la2vegasla2vegas Posts: 4,282
    afterburnt wrote: »
    Kex wrote: »
    Thank you, I get all that I need at home for that. Anyone frequenting brothels is a total loser in the game of life IMO.

    I only frequent lawyers as friends and acquaintances.

    You have a selection of women of easy vitue at home, can I come over?

    That's a below the waist question. To be expected by...
  • Kex wrote: »
    Once again... the utility makes the decision, not the PUC.

    What you fail to understand is that they really don't have a choice.
    They are not in a position to do otherwise under the conditions they are in.
  • KexKex Posts: 4,304
    You can argue all you like, but the facts are that the utility makes the decision. No regulation or law can force them to cut power or prevent them from clearing brush under their power lines. They did so only to avoid further liability. They declared bankruptcy to avoid liability (seems fairly reasonable), and then tried to pay out $130M in bonuses anyway, which the courts blocked. The CEO continues to draw $2.5M per year in salary, augmented by stock options.

    The utility is clearly to blame, it would seem, for the current woes. SDG&E has done a much better job since the Witch fire in 2007. Other utilities could have learned the same lessons from their example, but failed to do so. Now they must face the music.

    California will solve this problem, and the discussion will be very different in a year or two, but in the meantime, we must live through this mess.
    Alea jacta est!
  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 7,142
    la2vegas wrote: »
    afterburnt wrote: »
    Kex wrote: »
    Thank you, I get all that I need at home for that. Anyone frequenting brothels is a total loser in the game of life IMO.

    I only frequent lawyers as friends and acquaintances.

    You have a selection of women of easy vitue at home, can I come over?

    That's a below the waist question. To be expected by...

    you still mad cause I said the Raiders suck? This oughtta really trigger you!3522622zcqxt.jpg
    rpf65 wrote: »
    I’m thinking you’ve reached the point where people are afraid to open your posts.

    I disabled
  • KexKex Posts: 4,304
    edited October 2019
    la2vegas wrote: »
    afterburnt wrote: »
    Kex wrote: »
    Thank you, I get all that I need at home for that. Anyone frequenting brothels is a total loser in the game of life IMO.

    I only frequent lawyers as friends and acquaintances.

    You have a selection of women of easy vitue at home, can I come over?

    That's a below the waist question. To be expected by...
    Pun intended?! 😂

    I only need the one damsel in residence (and not only is she definitely off limits, but being of a sporty inclination, she can take down any man with her bare hands, if the need arises). If you choose the right one, such is the way of things.
    Alea jacta est!
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 44,831
    Kex wrote: »
    Thank you, I get all that I need at home for that. Anyone frequenting brothels is a total loser in the game of life IMO.

    I only frequent lawyers as friends and acquaintances.

    You mean you have to buy friends and acquaintances to the tune of a grand a pop!?! How sad.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


    President of Club Polk

  • KexKex Posts: 4,304
    edited October 2019
    No actually... we frequent each other for mutual pleasure, mostly involving food and wine, oh... and conversation, of course. It’s a concept you should try. Very compatible with good music to boot.
    Alea jacta est!
  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 5,333
    Why is it that people no longer use the word "frequent" in proper context?
  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 7,142
    Viking64 wrote: »
    Why is it that people no longer use the word "frequent" in proper context?

    "I frequently have to buy the ol lady context when she is on the rag"
    rpf65 wrote: »
    I’m thinking you’ve reached the point where people are afraid to open your posts.

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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 13,543
    Everything is back to normal in Northern CA, but I guess it is still a fiery mess in Southern CA. Turns out that the wind did cause some incidents up here that resulted in down power lines. However, since the power was off there were no fires. Of course, it is unknown whether there would have been a fire if the power was still on. The discussion now is if it was necessary to kill power in such a large area, or if it could have been a smaller area. Anyway, since the climate is changing and each year there will be less rain, and a longer fire season, we need to change how power is distributed to lessen the impact of these shut offs.
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  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 5,333
    You can frequent a bar or a restaurant, but you can't frequent your friends. What a fu(king dumba$$. :p
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 4,602
    Kex wrote: »
    Seven pages of this stuff, and @BlueFox didn’t even have to sacrifice a single night of beer or listening pleasure. I’m actually rather jealous that he is able to find that much time to just listen and enjoy on such wonderful equipment...

    That is until you find out what he is listening to....



    j/k Bud - couldn't resist :smiley:
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  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 7,142
    Viking64 wrote: »
    You can frequent a bar or a restaurant, but you can't frequent your friends. What a fu(king dumba$$. :p

    It depends how old they are, if you try to frequent me I will belt you one but in a few years I will probably have to roll over and take it. Then we won't be friends.
    rpf65 wrote: »
    I’m thinking you’ve reached the point where people are afraid to open your posts.

    I disabled
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