Impressions of Tidal

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  • WagnerRCWagnerRC Posts: 1,973
    I cut tidal and don’t miss it. Physical media will never go away. The convenience of quboz is just nice to have.
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,726
    Jesse, what level vs level in the IC comparison?
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  • dkhcdkhc Posts: 15
    I've got some older songs on my tidal playlist and I find the app doesn't level the volume between tracks very well. Also, there are some songs I have on Spotify that I can't find on tidal.

    Not saying Spotify is any better though. I have the free version and the volume when ads play is ridiculously higher than the music on my playlist.
  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 8,673
    edited September 22
    F1nut wrote: »
    I got to listen to some Tidal supplied music last night verses the same songs sourced from CD's, both run through the same DAC. Tidal SUCKS!!!

    In another comparison, Audioquest IC's sound like poo compared to MIT.

    Once I get the USB C cable I need I'm going to compare Tidal to local FLAC.

    Wouldn't it be something if all of my negatives on the Denton's was due to Tidal.
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 43,140
    joecoulson wrote: »
    Jesse, what level vs level in the IC comparison?

    MIT Shotgun S3 to something green.
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 43,140
    Nightfall wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    I got to listen to some Tidal supplied music last night verses the same songs sourced from CD's, both run through the same DAC. Tidal SUCKS!!!

    In another comparison, Audioquest IC's sound like poo compared to MIT.

    Once I get the USB C cable I need I'm going to compare Tidal to local FLAC.

    Wouldn't it be something if all of my negatives on the Denton's was due to Tidal.

    I guarantee it didn't help. I don't ever want to hear Tidal again.
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,300
    F1nut wrote: »
    I got to listen to some Tidal supplied music last night verses the same songs sourced from CD's, both run through the same DAC. Tidal SUCKS!!!

    What was the source/device that was playing the Tidal tracks?
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 43,140
    No idea.
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,300
    F1nut wrote: »
    No idea.

    If you can find out, I'd be curious what it was.

    The Tidal experience can vary greatly depending on what is being used as the streaming transport.
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 43,140
    This got me thinking....when we had CD, SACD and DVD Audio fighting it out I recall hearing a lot of people complain about all these different formats and which one was going to win. Now there is streaming, downloads, files and whatever. There are vast differences in sound quality, but people seem ok with that because they have 500,000 songs at their fingertips that they don't own or they lose all their music because this or that failed.

    To those I say, ya'll got sucker punched.
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  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 5,113
    @F1nut Have you tried Qobuz yet? I feel it sounds better then tidal but, still the CD or ripped cd \ sacd sounds best to me.
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 43,140
    No I haven't and have no desire to do so.
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  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,726
    I’ll sucker punch you old man.
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  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 8,673
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    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

    Village Idiot of Club Polk
  • I am satisfied with Tidal and love the experience.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,652
    F1nut wrote: »
    This got me thinking....when we had CD, SACD and DVD Audio fighting it out I recall hearing a lot of people complain about all these different formats and which one was going to win. Now there is streaming, downloads, files and whatever. There are vast differences in sound quality, but people seem ok with that because they have 500,000 songs at their fingertips that they don't own or they lose all their music because this or that failed.

    To those I say, ya'll got sucker punched.

    I dunno about that Jesse. Streamed musical formats can be just as bad, or good, as any other, depending on the associated gear.

    I will admit though, there is a slight trade off, convenience for a bit of sound quality. It's a small bit though, depending.

    Most today don't care about that small bit after you reach a certain level of quality anyway. The convenience factor makes up for it. Heck, we still have many listening to MP3's, cdp's are going the way of dinosaurs. The earbud crowd is ecstatic to hear cd quality on their phones from the likes of Tidal, but most are just as happy with their MP3'S from iTunes or Google/apple music.
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  • displaynamedisplayname Posts: 492
    This so true. When we're talking to audiophiles it seems shocking that every streaming service hasn't moved to lossless. But when I talk to everyone I know that's in my age group (early 30s) and I mention high res/lossless the common response I get is "what's the difference?".

    Not only do most people not care about high res. I would be willing to guess the mass majority doesn't even realize that MP3 files are not high res. What I find more interesting is the number of people who don't know these things about digital, but do own a turntable.
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  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,019
    tonyb wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    This got me thinking....when we had CD, SACD and DVD Audio fighting it out I recall hearing a lot of people complain about all these different formats and which one was going to win. Now there is streaming, downloads, files and whatever. There are vast differences in sound quality, but people seem ok with that because they have 500,000 songs at their fingertips that they don't own or they lose all their music because this or that failed.

    To those I say, ya'll got sucker punched.

    I dunno about that Jesse. Streamed musical formats can be just as bad, or good, as any other, depending on the associated gear.

    I will admit though, there is a slight trade off, convenience for a bit of sound quality. It's a small bit though, depending.

    Most today don't care about that small bit after you reach a certain level of quality anyway. The convenience factor makes up for it. Heck, we still have many listening to MP3's, cdp's are going the way of dinosaurs. The earbud crowd is ecstatic to hear cd quality on their phones from the likes of Tidal, but most are just as happy with their MP3'S from iTunes or Google/apple music.

    Yah sorry but I don’t think I got sucker punched lol. If I bought two albums a month for the last 3-4 years that I have been using tidal at $20 a month, I would have maybe 100 more albums than I do now. And I would have at best a mid level cdp to spin them on. Right now I have access to more music than I will ever listen to at probably the same SQ or better than I would get on the players I am willing to invest in.

    And @DSkip has noted that tidal can sound just as good as anything else in some of his setups, so I have a feeling the rig Jesse heard was not ideal. But either way, I am willing to give up that extra smidge of SQ for the convenience and cost savings I get with tidal...
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 43,140
    The rig was excellent.

    Cost savings? You don't own squat. I call that throwing money away.
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  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,019
    F1nut wrote: »
    The rig was excellent.

    Cost savings? You don't own squat. I call that throwing money away.

    You're correct, I own little media of my own. Should I also purchase all the movies and TV shows that I stream on Netflix and youtubetv??? Am I saving money by renting rather than buying?
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  • verbverb Posts: 8,274
    What's interesting here is that the quality of streaming continues to improve. Even now, there are folks that claim Qobuz is better than Tidal. Competition at it's finest.

    As it continues to improve, users, like me, will still have access to a vast quantity of music that ordinarily would never have been exposed to.
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  • KexKex Posts: 3,640
    edited October 1
    Wot @verb you are exposed?!
    Heaven forbid! 😬 😱
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  • GlennDogGlennDog Posts: 2,079
    Once I sift through all that I’m not interested in ... I find the really good stuff, then source and buy as needed.
    I don’t want my pictures, photos or files/documents in the cloud period.

    I love and want my faves in the physical form.
    But nothing compares to 10s of thousands of songs at your fingertips
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,299
    Like everything implementation is key. Tidal must not be that bad if I’m getting vinyl enthusiasts to switch to streaming.

    I’ve been doing some comparisons to Qobuz and I hear what others say about it being a little more detailed vs rounded but I still find myself still falling more to tidal.
  • verbverb Posts: 8,274
    GlennDog wrote: »
    Once I sift through all that I’m not interested in ... I find the really good stuff, then source and buy as needed.
    I don’t want my pictures, photos or files/documents in the cloud period.

    I love and want my faves in the physical form.
    But nothing compares to 10s of thousands of songs at your fingertips

    How many times have we all purchased a disc, 'cause a song or two piqued us, only to find the rest of the album, well, meh. :)
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  • verbverb Posts: 8,274
    GlennDog wrote: »
    Once I sift through all that I’m not interested in ... I find the really good stuff, then source and buy as needed.
    I don’t want my pictures, photos or files/documents in the cloud period.

    I love and want my faves in the physical form.
    But nothing compares to 10s of thousands of songs at your fingertips

    Same here Dog! My recent discoveries on Tidal, liked em so much, that I went and bought the discs! :)
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  • verbverb Posts: 8,274
    Dang Dog, I just quoted you twice! Must be tired. Long past couple of weeks! :)
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  • displaynamedisplayname Posts: 492
    verb wrote: »
    GlennDog wrote: »
    Once I sift through all that I’m not interested in ... I find the really good stuff, then source and buy as needed.
    I don’t want my pictures, photos or files/documents in the cloud period.

    I love and want my faves in the physical form.
    But nothing compares to 10s of thousands of songs at your fingertips

    How many times have we all purchased a disc, 'cause a song or two piqued us, only to find the rest of the album, well, meh. :)

    This is where streaming saves me the most money. I'll by an album after I find myself coming back to it.
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  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,726
    DSkip wrote: »
    Like everything implementation is key. Tidal must not be that bad if I’m getting vinyl enthusiasts to switch to streaming.

    I’ve been doing some comparisons to Qobuz and I hear what others say about it being a little more detailed vs rounded but I still find myself still falling more to tidal.

    Me too, there was not enough content on QB for me to stay subscribed. I know there is a slight edge given to QB for the most part, but for the convenience of having almost EVERYTHING at my disposal, it’s worth it by far.

    Jesse you have a fantastic vinyl setup so I would imagine it would be very expensive and difficult to match or even get close with streaming quality with Tidal, or any non physical digital media, but $$ could make all the difference. Just my 2 c
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,652
    verb wrote: »
    GlennDog wrote: »
    Once I sift through all that I’m not interested in ... I find the really good stuff, then source and buy as needed.
    I don’t want my pictures, photos or files/documents in the cloud period.

    I love and want my faves in the physical form.
    But nothing compares to 10s of thousands of songs at your fingertips

    How many times have we all purchased a disc, 'cause a song or two piqued us, only to find the rest of the album, well, meh. :)

    Bingo. I can only remember a handful of albums that I liked more than 3 songs on. I have about 400 cd's sitting in a box right now. When I downloaded the songs I liked from them, I came up with about 30 cd's worth of music.
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