Impressions of Tidal

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  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 19,083
    Well, $20 won't buy you 2 CD's a month, so....
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  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,010
    steveinaz wrote: »
    Well, $20 won't buy you 2 CD's a month, so....

    It will of you buy used or look for the amazon deals $10 or less, of which there are a ton. But even if you find three a month for $20, if will take you decades to build a library anywhere near the size of tidal...
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  • WLDockWLDock Posts: 2,671
    edited February 22
    Joey_V wrote: »
    That streams Tidal?
    Yeah man, Its on topic and on point! Don't listen to me, check out the pages I linked. I'm have a paid Spotify subscription but I'm about to try Tidal myself.

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    SHD SERIES UPDATE
    We are very happy to report that the popular Qobuz and Tidal music streaming have been added to the SHD Series. These additions further solidify this series as a great fit for any modern audio system.

    Existing customers can easily upgrade with the Over The Air (OTA) upgrade process from the Volumio web GUI. Go to the system settings page and click on "Check Updates". Done!

    Both SHD and SHD Studio products are in stock. A great Christmas gift to fit under the tree! :-)

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  • Mikey081057Mikey081057 Posts: 6,669
    I have a new streamer on the way.... B)B)B)
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  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,716
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  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 19,083
    That Volumio Primo looks very cool.
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  • WLDockWLDock Posts: 2,671
    Also, there are several other cool productson the Volumio USA website for putting together a high performing budget music player, DAC, Digital amp w/bluetooth, etc

    https://www.volumiousa.com/products/?limit=100


    WHAT IS VOLUMIO
    Volumio is a Free and Open Source Linux Distribution, designed and fine-tuned exclusively for music playback.
    It runs on a variety of devices, typically small and cheap computers like Raspberry PI, but also on low power PCs, Notebooks or Multimedia PCs.

    By flashing (installing) Volumio on any of this platforms, it will then become a headless Audiophile Music Player. Headless means that the only way to control it will be with another device, such as a Smartphone, Tablet, PC or anything that has a browser.

    This is made possible by Volumio’s UI: a web applications that runs on any device with a browser, and that allows an easy and intuitive control of your playback sessions. All communications between the Web App and Volumio will happen through your home network.

    •Runs on Raspberry PI, UDOO, Cubox-i, Odroid, PC, Mac and a variety of other small
    devices
    •Minimal operating system, tailored for Bit-Perfect Audio Playback
    •The system is loaded entirely on RAM and optimized for lightweight operations
    •Various Audio related tweaking for best audio performances
    •Works with any USB 2.0 DAC
    •Raspberry PI and Odroid I2S DACs supported natively
    •Supports all filetypes: FLAC, Alac, Aac, Vorbis, Mp3, DSD etc
    • Playback
    •Airplay Playback
    • Over PCM support, for non Direct-DSD compatible hardware
    •Integrated WebRadio directories
    •If a compatible wireless hardware is found, Volumio will create a hotspot network for
    first configuration
    •Mount CIFS and NFS Network Attached Storage, with an auto-discovery function
    •Custom playlist editing and creation
    •Plugin support with new functions available like Spotify and Digital Room Correction
    •Seamless update system: no need to reinstall when a new version is available
    • with a growing number of translations available
    •Image background support, even your favourite one
    •Alarm and sleep function

    HOW DOES IT WORK
    Once you’ve installed (or flashed) Volumio to your device, and connected it to your network and Audio equipment you will be ready to play. Volumio will discover automatically the music on a USB drive, or allow you to connect your network storage and your streaming services account.

    From now on you will control your playback from anything that has a browser: a tablet, a mobile phone, a computer or even your Smart TV.

    Volumio can adapt itself to a variety of configurations.
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,285
    Lumin U1 Mini to pair with my Mytek Brooklyn DAC+

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  • gyosagyosa Posts: 270

    Yes ..

    Bk



    audioluvr wrote: »
    Has anyone A/B'd the difference between Tidals HiFi and Premium service? Just wondering if it's worth the extra ten bucks a month.

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  • audioluvraudioluvr Posts: 1,453
    gyosa wrote: »
    Yes ..

    Bk



    audioluvr wrote: »
    Has anyone A/B'd the difference between Tidals HiFi and Premium service? Just wondering if it's worth the extra ten bucks a month.

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  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 19,083
    I ended up canceling Tidal, primarily because I wasn't using it very much. I'm still searching for a more radio-like experience, like Pandora, but higher quality.
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  • audioluvraudioluvr Posts: 1,453
    edited April 8
    Steve, does your Bluesound Node stream radio? That's what I use probably more than anything. I use Tidal when I want to explore new stuff or stuff that I haven't heard in ages.
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  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 19,083
    Yes it does have a number of music sources...
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  • jdjohnjdjohn Posts: 1,047
    steveinaz wrote: »
    I ended up canceling Tidal, primarily because I wasn't using it very much. I'm still searching for a more radio-like experience, like Pandora, but higher quality.
    Steve, have you tried Spotify lately??? I find the quality of the premium service to be quite good, and it has radio/station features related to certain artists, genres, 'moods', etc. This is much like Pandora where you create a station for an artist. You can also create and save your own playlists.
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  • audioluvraudioluvr Posts: 1,453
    Tidal does that too. At least for me. Maybe it's in the settings. If I start a playlist and it finishes it will automatically start playing music that it thinks I want to hear.
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  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 19,083
    jdjohn wrote: »
    Steve, have you tried Spotify lately??? I find the quality of the premium service to be quite good, and it has radio/station features related to certain artists, genres, 'moods', etc. This is much like Pandora where you create a station for an artist. You can also create and save your own playlists.

    Yes, I just noticed that he other day when I re-visited Spotify. Still investigating...

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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,652
    Steve,

    IHEART radio is close to the Pandora experience. However, finding a radio station that plays in higher quality is going to be tough.

    Most all the streaming services have radio stations, local and around the globe. You can add stations too just by adding their URL. So I don't see how switching services will get you a better radio experience.
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  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,716
    I will say that while I love the music selection and overall quality of Tidal, it’s algorithms for radio stations are no where near Pandora. In fact, no other music service comes close to the perfectly random yet weirdly similar music choices (great music choices btw) you get from creating a station in that service. Others have random, but not brilliant.
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  • WLDockWLDock Posts: 2,671
    I started discovering 320Kbps radio stations using the incorporated vTuner app in my Onkyo receiver. Its a list of about 2600 worldwide stations that you can query through and sort by speed.
    http://vtuner.com/setupapp/guide/asp/BrowseStations/startpage.asp


    Here are some other high res stations:
    https://www.hiresaudio.online/cd-quality-internet-radio/

    http://radiobit.50webs.com/

    http://www.radiosurvivor.com/2015/03/04/digital-watch-in-search-of-high-fidelity-internet-radio/

    I would think most modern streamers allows one to load in URL's.

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  • jdjohnjdjohn Posts: 1,047
    I think what Steve means by 'radio station' in this case is not a literal FM/AM radio station that streams over the net, but a 'sounds like' or 'similar to' list. With services like Spotify and Pandora, you can create a 'station' for a particular artist, and it will play that artist along with others from the same genre. And in Spotify, they have preset playlists for certain moods or genres such as 'study/focus', 'chill', 'dinner music', etc., as well as 'acoustic rock', 'new indie', '90s', 'classical', etc. And lastly, they have 'this is:' stations that will ONLY play songs from a specific artist, like 'this is Led Zeppelin'.
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  • motorstereomotorstereo Posts: 1,337
    I finally threw in the towel today and cancelled my pandora subscription after having it several years. I signed up with Tidal and first thing I notice is it has better sound quality. 2nd thing is I'm hearing songs I've never heard on pandora. I'm hoping Tidal is going to put a lot of the fun back into listening for me. Lately I couldn't go a day without getting pissed at pandora for their lousy playlists and repetitions. It's pretty bad when you have to give the thumbs down to good songs because they get overplayed just like fm radio.
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,716
    Lol! I haven’t used Pandora in years but it goes to show that I’m completely out of touch.
    I’ll stick withTidal.
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  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 19,083
    Pandora seems to be very good at choosing songs I really like. My "Kansas Radio" station I created just nails the music I love. I've heard Pandora has been bought by Sirius/XM...
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  • Mikey081057Mikey081057 Posts: 6,669
    I use ROON to connect all my streaming devices to one interface. In Tidal on ROON you can listen to an album and when it is done playing you can configure it to play ROON RADIO which has gotten better release to release. ROON RADIO plays like songs from artists that it considers "similar in Genre". Now sometimes after listening to a Steely Dan album, it will play maybe some Doobies or some Boz Scaggs but sometimes you'll get Neil Young or Bob Dylan with that too. But you can skip like you can on Pandora and tell them you dint like that song...

    ROON is awesome. There is also a place in ROON called Internet Radio where you can paste your favorite streaming radio stations. The best i have found is JB Radio which is hi quality FLAC content.
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  • WLDockWLDock Posts: 2,671
    edited April 11
    jdjohn wrote: »
    I think what Steve means by 'radio station' in this case is not a literal FM/AM radio station that streams over the net, but a 'sounds like' or 'similar to' list. With services like Spotify and Pandora, you can create a 'station' for a particular artist, and it will play that artist along with others from the same genre. And in Spotify, they have preset playlists for certain moods or genres such as 'study/focus', 'chill', 'dinner music', etc., as well as 'acoustic rock', 'new indie', '90s', 'classical', etc. And lastly, they have 'this is:' stations that will ONLY play songs from a specific artist, like 'this is Led Zeppelin'.
    Yeah, I use Pandora, Spotify, and Slacker just for those purposes also. However, I still get exposed to so much music, mainly jazz, listening to regular radio stations. My jazz education started when I was a kid with the legendary Detroit WDET public radio Ed Love program and the defunct WJZZ station. There are still some good regular radio stations arond the globe.

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  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 19,083
    The Node 2i has a number of internet radio apps, what is a good one?
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  • audioluvraudioluvr Posts: 1,453
    KYCH 97.1 is good for a mix of everything. It also has very few commercials. What genre's you like?
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  • motorstereomotorstereo Posts: 1,337
    I'm on my 2nd day with Tidal and already I'm wondering why I tortured myself all those years with Pandora??
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 6,010
    Tidal is NOT perfect, but man it’s awesome for what you get...
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