Impressions of Tidal
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The differences I notice are more dynamics and little more ease to the music. It’s very slight but enough to recognize. I simply don’t spin cds anymore though.
Maybe the bluesound is the limiter
But in my room, the emm transport beats out the bluesound through tidal both going into emm dac.
Enough of a difference that through an iPhone video it can be discerned which is which
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I have a really nice laptop with no cooling fans (an "Ultrabook" if you will) and SSDs
Trying to not sound like an idiot here but what is an SSD? AND WTF is the deal with all the quadruple posts of the exact same thing???Gustard X26 Pro DAC
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SSD = Solid State Drive
Solid state drives use flash memory chips instead of traditional magnetic spinning platters to store data.
They have a life span of multiples greater than a traditional hard drive, they have no moving parts and they are getting closer to traditional hard drives in the $ per GB pricing category (although they are still more expensive comparatively).
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Less noise floor also.HT SYSTEM-
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Maybe the bluesound is the limiter
But in my room, the emm transport beats out the bluesound through tidal both going into emm dac.
Enough of a difference that through an iPhone video it can be discerned which is which
Just to be clear, I'm comparing HDD music to a CD player. I find tidal to be a bit soft around the edges (subtle, but noticeable), and I'd pick a CDP over Tidal, but not over flacs delivered via a hard drive.
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Maybe the bluesound is the limiter
But in my room, the emm transport beats out the bluesound through tidal both going into emm dac.
Enough of a difference that through an iPhone video it can be discerned which is which
Just to be clear, I'm comparing HDD music to a CD player. I find tidal to be a bit soft around the edges (subtle, but noticeable), and I'd pick a CDP over Tidal, but not over flacs delivered via a hard drive.
Definitely I can tell it is soft around the edges. Which is not to say it's a bad sound.Magico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R -
That^ is exactly what I heard when auditioning the BS vs the CXN. We A/B tested directly with the node 2 and the Cambridge and the latter was more full and dynamic. I was lucky to have a dealer that carried both.
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Important to note that BS is now on their 3rd version (2i) of the Node.
Now I am prolly going to upgrade from the Node 2 possibly to the Lumin u1 mini.
But here is some feedback from other users as well.
https://www.canuckaudiomart.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=48820My New Year's resolution is 3840 × 2160
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My New Year's resolution is 3840 × 2160
Family Room| Marantz AV7704| Usher Dancer Mini - 2 DMD Mains |Usher Dancer Mini-x DMD's Surrounds | Usher BE-616 DMD Center | SVS Ultra Rear Surrounds | Parasound Halo A21 | Parsound Halo A52+ | MIT Shotgun S3's | Dual SVS SB 4000 Ultras | Oppo UDP 203 | Directv Genie HD DVR | Samsung 75" Q8 QLED | PSAudio Stellar GCD | Mytek Brooklyn DAC+ | Lumin U1 Mini | HP Elite Slice PC | ROON'd for life |
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There' s never going to be an appropriate time to add this, so I'm just going to do it now.
Every time I see the title of this thread, I think of Visions of Johanna.
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I guess what I'm trying to say is that for my use, I'm too cheap to buy an aurender so the used bluesound node 2 that i got for $200 off audioaficionado is good enough.
I'm sure there is better.
One of the members in our DFW Audiophile club has the Aurender w20, that's $17,000 for a streamer.... so I know it gets good.
I'm just at a point where the system is so good and enjoyable, I don't stress about the final %-ages of improvement.Magico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R -
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Dayng! Nice.
I think Rich @SCompRacer may be using this or an earlier version.
When I set up my first USB DAC for continuous use with the home office PC, I had all kinds of clearly audible noise and other weird USB device interaction, like weird mouse and keyboard behavior with audio playing. You don't have to listen or look hard for it either. It was obvious.
I noticed an immediate and huge improvement simply going with a dedicated USB 2.0 card to isolate the DAC from the rest of the USB devices. It really does work. I can only imagine what the SOtM tX-USBexp is like. Beautiful little piece of tech there.
Which Power Supply are you using with it @fastz28 ?
I'd love to build something completely dedicated with a card like this in it.
Incidentally, this little near field system I built in the home office with the computer connected DAC was the first time I began to experience more profoundly some audio refinements, like imaging and player location.I disabled signatures. -
Do they have a family version like Spotify? I'll take a look.
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You don't have to spend $17,000 to move up. I was actually turned off by Aurender because they use hard drive disks in their streamers. I know its not 'in the music chain' but it still bothered me enough to look elsewhere. I haven't had a chance to get my ears on them yet.
Understood.
But what I’m saying is if all I’m doing is streaming tidal rather than burned flac files of my music, then there’s a lot more limiting factors than the bluesound running coax into the emm labs dac2x.
If I were streaming my entire flac collection, then that’s a different story.Magico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R -
Oh, power from the same guys, nice. That makes sense.I disabled signatures.
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The same fellow tested the MiniDSP SHD DAC audio processor / streamer. Its seemed to measure pretty well. $899 - $1199 price range. Its an interesting looking unit for sure with the added Dirac room correction.I am using a bluesound node 2.
In my opinion you owe it to yourself and the rest of your system to upgrade to a better streamer. The measurements on the Bluesound are mediocre:
"Bluesound specs the unit at 0.005% and measurements are actually better in both channels. Resulting SINAD though (signal over noise and distortion) is not great at just 88 dB. This is well short of the dynamic range of the CD so the statement that the unit supports high-resolution, 24-bit playback is moot. The SINAD lands in out lowest quarter as far as DACs/streamers tested"
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-bluesound-node-2i-streamer.6631/
For the price I think it is adequate
Not my reference playback for digital anyway
What would you recommend for similar cost?
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-minidsp-shd-dac-dsp-and-streamer.4286/
https://www.minidsp.com/products/streaming-hd-series/shd-series#network-audio
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The same fellow tested the MiniDSP SHD DAC audio processor / streamer. Its seemed to measure pretty well. $899 - $1199 price range. Its an interesting looking unit for sure with the added Dirac room correction.I am using a bluesound node 2.
In my opinion you owe it to yourself and the rest of your system to upgrade to a better streamer. The measurements on the Bluesound are mediocre:
"Bluesound specs the unit at 0.005% and measurements are actually better in both channels. Resulting SINAD though (signal over noise and distortion) is not great at just 88 dB. This is well short of the dynamic range of the CD so the statement that the unit supports high-resolution, 24-bit playback is moot. The SINAD lands in out lowest quarter as far as DACs/streamers tested"
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-bluesound-node-2i-streamer.6631/
For the price I think it is adequate
Not my reference playback for digital anyway
What would you recommend for similar cost?
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-minidsp-shd-dac-dsp-and-streamer.4286/
https://www.minidsp.com/products/streaming-hd-series/shd-series#network-audio
That streams Tidal?Magico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R -
Ive tried Spotify and Tidal and thought they both sounded better than the actual CD....at times.
....Other times, not sure, and also at times, maybe a very slight softening of the sound, but never did a truly in depth comparison.
I guess overall, easily good enough to not leave any bad impressions.
I've used and am using both currently, Spotify for about 3 years or so. It took me a while to try out Tidal and even more important have something that can show me the difference. To me at least there is a discernable difference in Tidal's favor BUT it could have just been what my system needed in terms of Soundstage expansion. That and the slight softening you mentioned were the most noticeable changes. I had same feelings with CDs, I chaulk it up to the version of the CD was a bad digital file or an already compressed file uncompressed in a bad way.
Could I live with Spotify... Yeah but man I like the other side.
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Do they have a family version like Spotify? I'll take a look.
Yep Tidal has family accounts.Just a dude doing dude-ly things
"Temptation is the manifestation of desire which equals necessity." - Mikey081057
" I have always had a champange taste with a beer budget" - Rick88
"Just because the thread is getting views don't mean much .. I like a good train wreck doesn't mean i want to be in one..." - pitdogg2
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Has anyone A/B'd the difference between Tidals HiFi and Premium service? Just wondering if it's worth the extra ten bucks a month.Gustard X26 Pro DAC
Belles 21A Pre modded with Mundorf Supreme caps
B&K M200 Sonata monoblocks refreshed and upgraded
Polk SDA 1C's modded / 1000Va Dreadnaught
Wireworld Silver Eclipse IC's and speaker cables
Harman Kardon T65C w/Grado Gold. (Don't laugh. It sounds great!)
There is about a 5% genetic difference between apes and men …but that difference is the difference between throwing your own poo when you are annoyed …and Einstein, Shakespeare and Miss January. by Dr. Sardonicus -
I’ll try it when my new preamp comesHas anyone A/B'd the difference between Tidals HiFi and Premium service? Just wondering if it's worth the extra ten bucks a month.
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Has anyone A/B'd the difference between Tidals HiFi and Premium service? Just wondering if it's worth the extra ten bucks a month.
In my experience it isn’t THAT far off. Not as resolving but still good sounding, better than Spotify. I say this but have the Hifi option, I’ve been skating by on promotions after I cancelled. 3 months for $2!Just a dude doing dude-ly things
"Temptation is the manifestation of desire which equals necessity." - Mikey081057
" I have always had a champange taste with a beer budget" - Rick88
"Just because the thread is getting views don't mean much .. I like a good train wreck doesn't mean i want to be in one..." - pitdogg2
"Those that don't know, don't know that they don't know." - heiney9
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codycatalist wrote: »I’ve been skating by on promotions after I cancelled. 3 months for $2!
OOO! Sweet deal there! Not a bad idea.I’ll try it when my new preamp comes
Thanks Joey. Can you do this on a crappy (to you) pre? Your stuff is WAY nicer than mine.Gustard X26 Pro DAC
Belles 21A Pre modded with Mundorf Supreme caps
B&K M200 Sonata monoblocks refreshed and upgraded
Polk SDA 1C's modded / 1000Va Dreadnaught
Wireworld Silver Eclipse IC's and speaker cables
Harman Kardon T65C w/Grado Gold. (Don't laugh. It sounds great!)
There is about a 5% genetic difference between apes and men …but that difference is the difference between throwing your own poo when you are annoyed …and Einstein, Shakespeare and Miss January. by Dr. Sardonicus -
Well, $20 won't buy you 2 CD's a month, so....Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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Well, $20 won't buy you 2 CD's a month, so....
It will of you buy used or look for the amazon deals $10 or less, of which there are a ton. But even if you find three a month for $20, if will take you decades to build a library anywhere near the size of tidal...Living Room 2.2: Usher BE-718 "tiny dancers"; Dual DIY Dayton audio RSS210HF-4 Subs with Dayton SPA-250 amps; Arcam SA30; Musical Fidelity A308; Sony UBP-x1000es
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Yeah man, Its on topic and on point! Don't listen to me, check out the pages I linked. I'm have a paid Spotify subscription but I'm about to try Tidal myself.That streams Tidal?
https://www.minidsp.com/aboutus/newsletter/listid-1/mailid-69-minidsp-q4-2018-newsletterminiDSP wrote:SHD SERIES UPDATE
We are very happy to report that the popular Qobuz and Tidal music streaming have been added to the SHD Series. These additions further solidify this series as a great fit for any modern audio system.
Existing customers can easily upgrade with the Over The Air (OTA) upgrade process from the Volumio web GUI. Go to the system settings page and click on "Check Updates". Done!
Both SHD and SHD Studio products are in stock. A great Christmas gift to fit under the tree! :-)
SHD Series Manual: https://www.minidsp.com/images/documents/SHD Series User Manual.pdf
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I have a new streamer on the way.... My New Year's resolution is 3840 × 2160
Family Room| Marantz AV7704| Usher Dancer Mini - 2 DMD Mains |Usher Dancer Mini-x DMD's Surrounds | Usher BE-616 DMD Center | SVS Ultra Rear Surrounds | Parasound Halo A21 | Parsound Halo A52+ | MIT Shotgun S3's | Dual SVS SB 4000 Ultras | Oppo UDP 203 | Directv Genie HD DVR | Samsung 75" Q8 QLED | PSAudio Stellar GCD | Mytek Brooklyn DAC+ | Lumin U1 Mini | HP Elite Slice PC | ROON'd for life |
ManCave: HT:Polk LSiM 706VR3 LSiM 703's LSiM 702's|| Marantz AV7002 AV PrePro Sunfire TGA-7401| Sony PS4 Pro| Sony PS4 Pro|SVS PB13 Ultra| Oppo UDP 203 | Music Hall MMF 5.3se TT w/ Soundsmith Carmen | Samsung 55" SUHD TV | Sony PS4
Patio | Polk Atrium 8's | Yamaha R-N303BL |
Office BlueSound Node| KEF LS50 | Peactree Nova 125SE |
Bedroom | Focal 905's | Chromecast Audio |
Garage | Polk Monitor 5B's
Closet Yamaha M80 | 2 Polk MP3K subs| Yaqin MC100B with Shuguang Treasures KT 88's & CV181Z's | Tesla E83CC's | Marantz 2252B | Marantz 2385 |Polk SDA SRS 2.3 | LSiM 705's | -
DO TELL!
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That Volumio Primo looks very cool.Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
