Impressions of Tidal

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  • Mikey081057Mikey081057 Posts: 6,665
    One thing for sure, and not that I want to see it, is that physical media and devices are diminishing as a product group. Improvements in SQ in streaming are happening. Will it out perform physical media someday? Maybe? Maybe not... and how much will we be willing to pay for it? Who knows...
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  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 19,083
    edited February 19
    I have actually preferred hard drive derived music more than a CD transport-->DAC solution for about 7yrs now. I realize this is subjective to each listener, but to me it was even more analog/natural sounding. I used a C.E.C. CD-3300 into a Benchmark DAC via digital AES/EBU cable just before transitioning to HDD-->transport-->DAC setup.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amplifier: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: PSB Imagine T2
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,281
    The differences I notice are more dynamics and little more ease to the music. It’s very slight but enough to recognize. I simply don’t spin cds anymore though.
  • Joey_VJoey_V Posts: 7,083
    DSkip wrote: »
    The differences I notice are more dynamics and little more ease to the music. It’s very slight but enough to recognize. I simply don’t spin cds anymore though.

    Maybe the bluesound is the limiter

    But in my room, the emm transport beats out the bluesound through tidal both going into emm dac.

    Enough of a difference that through an iPhone video it can be discerned which is which
    Joey's Gear:
    Current Gear:
    Torus RM15 -> Emm Labs DAC2x and TSDX Transport -> Cary SLP-05 preamp -> Boulder 2060 stereo amp (w/ Audioquest WEL Signature) -> new speakers
    Rotel RA1592 Super Integrated -> Sonus Faber Olympica 3
    Rotel RC1570 preamp -> Rotel RB1582 amp -> Focal Kanta 2

    Old Gear:
    Speakers: BW PM1 (3.5/5), CM10s2 (3.75/5), BW800D3 (5/5), Rockport Aviors (5/5), Sonus Faber Stradivari (5/5), BW 802D2 (4.5/5), Martin Logan Summits (4.25/5), Martin Logan Vantage (4/5), Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor (3.75/5), AV123 Strata Mini (3.5/5), ML Mosaic (3.25/5), Onix Ref1 (3/5), Sonus Faber Concerto (2.75/5), SF Concertino (2.5/5), Axiom M22ti (2/5), Polk LSi9 (3/5), LSi7 (2.9/5)
    Source: Squeezebox 3 -> PS Audio Digital Link III -> Cary 306/200 CDP -> Cary 306 SACD -> EMM LABS DAC2X/TSDX
    Preamplification: Rotel RC1070 -> Rogue Perseus -> Cary SLP98 -> Cary SLP98F1 -> Cary SLP05 (sold and then repurchased)
    Amplification: HK AVR330 -> Rotel RB1070 -> Rotel RB1090 -> Plinius SA102 -> Cary 211FE -> Classe M600 -> Boulder 2060
    Subwoofer: Infinity Entra2 sub -> SVS 25-31PC+ sub
  • audioluvraudioluvr Posts: 1,428
    ZLTFUL wrote: »
    I have a really nice laptop with no cooling fans (an "Ultrabook" if you will) and SSDs

    Trying to not sound like an idiot here but what is an SSD? AND WTF is the deal with all the quadruple posts of the exact same thing???
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  • ZLTFULZLTFUL Posts: 5,136
    audioluvr wrote: »
    ZLTFUL wrote: »
    I have a really nice laptop with no cooling fans (an "Ultrabook" if you will) and SSDs

    Trying to not sound like an idiot here but what is an SSD?

    SSD = Solid State Drive

    Solid state drives use flash memory chips instead of traditional magnetic spinning platters to store data.
    They have a life span of multiples greater than a traditional hard drive, they have no moving parts and they are getting closer to traditional hard drives in the $ per GB pricing category (although they are still more expensive comparatively).

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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,648
    Less noise floor also.
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  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 19,083
    Joey_V wrote: »
    Maybe the bluesound is the limiter

    But in my room, the emm transport beats out the bluesound through tidal both going into emm dac.

    Enough of a difference that through an iPhone video it can be discerned which is which

    Just to be clear, I'm comparing HDD music to a CD player. I find tidal to be a bit soft around the edges (subtle, but noticeable), and I'd pick a CDP over Tidal, but not over flacs delivered via a hard drive.

    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amplifier: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: PSB Imagine T2
  • Joey_VJoey_V Posts: 7,083
    steveinaz wrote: »
    Joey_V wrote: »
    Maybe the bluesound is the limiter

    But in my room, the emm transport beats out the bluesound through tidal both going into emm dac.

    Enough of a difference that through an iPhone video it can be discerned which is which

    Just to be clear, I'm comparing HDD music to a CD player. I find tidal to be a bit soft around the edges (subtle, but noticeable), and I'd pick a CDP over Tidal, but not over flacs delivered via a hard drive.

    Definitely I can tell it is soft around the edges. Which is not to say it's a bad sound.
    Joey's Gear:
    Current Gear:
    Torus RM15 -> Emm Labs DAC2x and TSDX Transport -> Cary SLP-05 preamp -> Boulder 2060 stereo amp (w/ Audioquest WEL Signature) -> new speakers
    Rotel RA1592 Super Integrated -> Sonus Faber Olympica 3
    Rotel RC1570 preamp -> Rotel RB1582 amp -> Focal Kanta 2

    Old Gear:
    Speakers: BW PM1 (3.5/5), CM10s2 (3.75/5), BW800D3 (5/5), Rockport Aviors (5/5), Sonus Faber Stradivari (5/5), BW 802D2 (4.5/5), Martin Logan Summits (4.25/5), Martin Logan Vantage (4/5), Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor (3.75/5), AV123 Strata Mini (3.5/5), ML Mosaic (3.25/5), Onix Ref1 (3/5), Sonus Faber Concerto (2.75/5), SF Concertino (2.5/5), Axiom M22ti (2/5), Polk LSi9 (3/5), LSi7 (2.9/5)
    Source: Squeezebox 3 -> PS Audio Digital Link III -> Cary 306/200 CDP -> Cary 306 SACD -> EMM LABS DAC2X/TSDX
    Preamplification: Rotel RC1070 -> Rogue Perseus -> Cary SLP98 -> Cary SLP98F1 -> Cary SLP05 (sold and then repurchased)
    Amplification: HK AVR330 -> Rotel RB1070 -> Rotel RB1090 -> Plinius SA102 -> Cary 211FE -> Classe M600 -> Boulder 2060
    Subwoofer: Infinity Entra2 sub -> SVS 25-31PC+ sub
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,701
    edited February 20
    That^ is exactly what I heard when auditioning the BS vs the CXN. We A/B tested directly with the node 2 and the Cambridge and the latter was more full and dynamic. I was lucky to have a dealer that carried both.
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  • Mikey081057Mikey081057 Posts: 6,665
    Important to note that BS is now on their 3rd version (2i) of the Node.

    Now I am prolly going to upgrade from the Node 2 possibly to the Lumin u1 mini.

    But here is some feedback from other users as well.

    https://www.canuckaudiomart.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=48820
    My New Year's resolution is 3840 × 2160

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    ManCave: Parasound Halo A21 | Parsound Halo A52+ | Marantz AV7002 AV PrePro | Usher Dancer Mini-x DMD's | Usher BE-616 Center | SVS Ultra Surrounds | SVS SB4000 Sub | SVS SB2000 Sub | Oppo UDP 203 | MIT Shotgun S3's | PSAudio Stellar GCD | Music Hall MMF 5.3se TT w/ Soundsmith Carmen | Mytek Brooklyn DAC+ | Lumin U1 Mini | HP Elite Slice PC | ROON'd for life | Samsung 50" SUHD TV | Sony PS4

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    Garage | Polk Monitor 5B's

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  • Mikey081057Mikey081057 Posts: 6,665
    My New Year's resolution is 3840 × 2160

    HT:Polk LSiM 706 LSiM 705's VR3 LSiM 703's LSiM 702's| Marantz AV7704 | Sunfire TGA-7401 | Oppo UDP 203 | Sony PS4 Pro| Directv Genie HD DVR | Samsung 75" Q8 QLED | SVS PB13 Ultra | MIT EXP 2's (Fronts & Center)

    ManCave: Parasound Halo A21 | Parsound Halo A52+ | Marantz AV7002 AV PrePro | Usher Dancer Mini-x DMD's | Usher BE-616 Center | SVS Ultra Surrounds | SVS SB4000 Sub | SVS SB2000 Sub | Oppo UDP 203 | MIT Shotgun S3's | PSAudio Stellar GCD | Music Hall MMF 5.3se TT w/ Soundsmith Carmen | Mytek Brooklyn DAC+ | Lumin U1 Mini | HP Elite Slice PC | ROON'd for life | Samsung 50" SUHD TV | Sony PS4

    Patio | Polk Atrium 8's | Yamaha R-N303BL |

    Office |Cocktail Audio X14 | KEF LS50 | Peactree Nova 125SE |

    Bedroom | Focal 905's | Chromecast Audio |

    Garage | Polk Monitor 5B's

    Closet Yamaha M80 | 2 Polk MP3K subs| Yaqin MC100B with Shuguang Treasures KT 88's & CV181Z's | Tesla E83CC's | Marantz 2252B | Marantz 2385 | Bluesound Node |Polk SDA SRS 2.3 |
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 23,560
    There' s never going to be an appropriate time to add this, so I'm just going to do it now.
    Every time I see the title of this thread, I think of Visions of Johanna.

    B)

  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,281
    edited February 20
    Here's the deal with this type of noise - some systems have them, some do not. In systems with that noise, it might not present its ugly head. For instance, I could never pair Parasound with Rosso Fiorentino because the RF speakers are very revealing of noise. I've paired Parasound with several systems with success but I try to make sure its the right fit for the client before selling. Cambridge overall has impressed me with lower noise floor than they have any right to have at their list prices. My point here being that the noise of the BlueSound might not present itself in many systems which is perfectly fine. Many people are happy with it and I know its a solid product, just not one I can stand behind for what is important to me.

    The CXN is not void of noise but it also doesn't suck me out of the experience. Some micro details are lost in the music and the soundstage does flatten out some compared to the higher end streamers I have owned. Overall, for the price of a good streamer, its still a heckuva piece and I'm happy to have it. The 851N does a much better job due to the improved power supply. Also note that in this situation, I've been testing these in a highly resolving reference system.

    I have the Lumin U1 Mini as my demo streamer and I can recommend it without fault. It sounds great - slightly better than the AURALiC Aries G2 that is priced higher - and holds its own even in a high end system. Their OS is a bit like switching from Apple to Android, but it has a ton of flexibility and once you adjust its a nice program. The Cambridge apps are very streamlined and relaxing to look at where the Lumin can be a bit cluttered.

    Steve, I'd recommend if the U1 Mini is on your list to consider it and the Aries G2. I can't justify the $300 price difference to jump to the G2 over the U1 Mini but some probably could. I'd still be peachy to be an AURALiC dealer as I like their equipment, but I do feel I've gotten a step up in sound with Lumin.
  • Joey_VJoey_V Posts: 7,083
    I guess what I'm trying to say is that for my use, I'm too cheap to buy an aurender so the used bluesound node 2 that i got for $200 off audioaficionado is good enough.

    I'm sure there is better.

    One of the members in our DFW Audiophile club has the Aurender w20, that's $17,000 for a streamer.... so I know it gets good.

    I'm just at a point where the system is so good and enjoyable, I don't stress about the final %-ages of improvement.
    Joey's Gear:
    Current Gear:
    Torus RM15 -> Emm Labs DAC2x and TSDX Transport -> Cary SLP-05 preamp -> Boulder 2060 stereo amp (w/ Audioquest WEL Signature) -> new speakers
    Rotel RA1592 Super Integrated -> Sonus Faber Olympica 3
    Rotel RC1570 preamp -> Rotel RB1582 amp -> Focal Kanta 2

    Old Gear:
    Speakers: BW PM1 (3.5/5), CM10s2 (3.75/5), BW800D3 (5/5), Rockport Aviors (5/5), Sonus Faber Stradivari (5/5), BW 802D2 (4.5/5), Martin Logan Summits (4.25/5), Martin Logan Vantage (4/5), Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor (3.75/5), AV123 Strata Mini (3.5/5), ML Mosaic (3.25/5), Onix Ref1 (3/5), Sonus Faber Concerto (2.75/5), SF Concertino (2.5/5), Axiom M22ti (2/5), Polk LSi9 (3/5), LSi7 (2.9/5)
    Source: Squeezebox 3 -> PS Audio Digital Link III -> Cary 306/200 CDP -> Cary 306 SACD -> EMM LABS DAC2X/TSDX
    Preamplification: Rotel RC1070 -> Rogue Perseus -> Cary SLP98 -> Cary SLP98F1 -> Cary SLP05 (sold and then repurchased)
    Amplification: HK AVR330 -> Rotel RB1070 -> Rotel RB1090 -> Plinius SA102 -> Cary 211FE -> Classe M600 -> Boulder 2060
    Subwoofer: Infinity Entra2 sub -> SVS 25-31PC+ sub
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,281
    You don't have to spend $17,000 to move up. I was actually turned off by Aurender because they use hard drive disks in their streamers. I know its not 'in the music chain' but it still bothered me enough to look elsewhere. I haven't had a chance to get my ears on them yet.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,279
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    @msg this up your alley
    "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • msgmsg Posts: 5,045
    Dayng! Nice.
    I think Rich @SCompRacer may be using this or an earlier version.

    When I set up my first USB DAC for continuous use with the home office PC, I had all kinds of clearly audible noise and other weird USB device interaction, like weird mouse and keyboard behavior with audio playing. You don't have to listen or look hard for it either. It was obvious.

    I noticed an immediate and huge improvement simply going with a dedicated USB 2.0 card to isolate the DAC from the rest of the USB devices. It really does work. I can only imagine what the SOtM tX-USBexp is like. Beautiful little piece of tech there.

    Which Power Supply are you using with it @fastz28 ?

    I'd love to build something completely dedicated with a card like this in it.

    Incidentally, this little near field system I built in the home office with the computer connected DAC was the first time I began to experience more profoundly some audio refinements, like imaging and player location.
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  • WillowWillow Posts: 9,740
    Do they have a family version like Spotify? I'll take a look.
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  • Joey_VJoey_V Posts: 7,083
    DSkip wrote: »
    You don't have to spend $17,000 to move up. I was actually turned off by Aurender because they use hard drive disks in their streamers. I know its not 'in the music chain' but it still bothered me enough to look elsewhere. I haven't had a chance to get my ears on them yet.

    Understood.

    But what I’m saying is if all I’m doing is streaming tidal rather than burned flac files of my music, then there’s a lot more limiting factors than the bluesound running coax into the emm labs dac2x.

    If I were streaming my entire flac collection, then that’s a different story.
    Joey's Gear:
    Current Gear:
    Torus RM15 -> Emm Labs DAC2x and TSDX Transport -> Cary SLP-05 preamp -> Boulder 2060 stereo amp (w/ Audioquest WEL Signature) -> new speakers
    Rotel RA1592 Super Integrated -> Sonus Faber Olympica 3
    Rotel RC1570 preamp -> Rotel RB1582 amp -> Focal Kanta 2

    Old Gear:
    Speakers: BW PM1 (3.5/5), CM10s2 (3.75/5), BW800D3 (5/5), Rockport Aviors (5/5), Sonus Faber Stradivari (5/5), BW 802D2 (4.5/5), Martin Logan Summits (4.25/5), Martin Logan Vantage (4/5), Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor (3.75/5), AV123 Strata Mini (3.5/5), ML Mosaic (3.25/5), Onix Ref1 (3/5), Sonus Faber Concerto (2.75/5), SF Concertino (2.5/5), Axiom M22ti (2/5), Polk LSi9 (3/5), LSi7 (2.9/5)
    Source: Squeezebox 3 -> PS Audio Digital Link III -> Cary 306/200 CDP -> Cary 306 SACD -> EMM LABS DAC2X/TSDX
    Preamplification: Rotel RC1070 -> Rogue Perseus -> Cary SLP98 -> Cary SLP98F1 -> Cary SLP05 (sold and then repurchased)
    Amplification: HK AVR330 -> Rotel RB1070 -> Rotel RB1090 -> Plinius SA102 -> Cary 211FE -> Classe M600 -> Boulder 2060
    Subwoofer: Infinity Entra2 sub -> SVS 25-31PC+ sub
  • msgmsg Posts: 5,045
    Oh, power from the same guys, nice. That makes sense.
    I disabled signatures.
  • WLDockWLDock Posts: 2,671
    edited February 21
    Joey_V wrote: »
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Joey_V wrote: »
    I am using a bluesound node 2.

    In my opinion you owe it to yourself and the rest of your system to upgrade to a better streamer. The measurements on the Bluesound are mediocre:

    pc0l5fgh754j.png

    "Bluesound specs the unit at 0.005% and measurements are actually better in both channels. Resulting SINAD though (signal over noise and distortion) is not great at just 88 dB. This is well short of the dynamic range of the CD so the statement that the unit supports high-resolution, 24-bit playback is moot. The SINAD lands in out lowest quarter as far as DACs/streamers tested"

    https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-bluesound-node-2i-streamer.6631/

    For the price I think it is adequate

    Not my reference playback for digital anyway

    What would you recommend for similar cost?
    The same fellow tested the MiniDSP SHD DAC audio processor / streamer. Its seemed to measure pretty well. $899 - $1199 price range. Its an interesting looking unit for sure with the added Dirac room correction.

    https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-minidsp-shd-dac-dsp-and-streamer.4286/

    https://www.minidsp.com/products/streaming-hd-series/shd-series#network-audio

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  • Joey_VJoey_V Posts: 7,083
    WLDock wrote: »
    Joey_V wrote: »
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Joey_V wrote: »
    I am using a bluesound node 2.

    In my opinion you owe it to yourself and the rest of your system to upgrade to a better streamer. The measurements on the Bluesound are mediocre:

    pc0l5fgh754j.png

    "Bluesound specs the unit at 0.005% and measurements are actually better in both channels. Resulting SINAD though (signal over noise and distortion) is not great at just 88 dB. This is well short of the dynamic range of the CD so the statement that the unit supports high-resolution, 24-bit playback is moot. The SINAD lands in out lowest quarter as far as DACs/streamers tested"

    https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-bluesound-node-2i-streamer.6631/

    For the price I think it is adequate

    Not my reference playback for digital anyway

    What would you recommend for similar cost?
    The same fellow tested the MiniDSP SHD DAC audio processor / streamer. Its seemed to measure pretty well. $899 - $1199 price range. Its an interesting looking unit for sure with the added Dirac room correction.

    https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-minidsp-shd-dac-dsp-and-streamer.4286/

    https://www.minidsp.com/products/streaming-hd-series/shd-series#network-audio

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    That streams Tidal?
    Joey's Gear:
    Current Gear:
    Torus RM15 -> Emm Labs DAC2x and TSDX Transport -> Cary SLP-05 preamp -> Boulder 2060 stereo amp (w/ Audioquest WEL Signature) -> new speakers
    Rotel RA1592 Super Integrated -> Sonus Faber Olympica 3
    Rotel RC1570 preamp -> Rotel RB1582 amp -> Focal Kanta 2

    Old Gear:
    Speakers: BW PM1 (3.5/5), CM10s2 (3.75/5), BW800D3 (5/5), Rockport Aviors (5/5), Sonus Faber Stradivari (5/5), BW 802D2 (4.5/5), Martin Logan Summits (4.25/5), Martin Logan Vantage (4/5), Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor (3.75/5), AV123 Strata Mini (3.5/5), ML Mosaic (3.25/5), Onix Ref1 (3/5), Sonus Faber Concerto (2.75/5), SF Concertino (2.5/5), Axiom M22ti (2/5), Polk LSi9 (3/5), LSi7 (2.9/5)
    Source: Squeezebox 3 -> PS Audio Digital Link III -> Cary 306/200 CDP -> Cary 306 SACD -> EMM LABS DAC2X/TSDX
    Preamplification: Rotel RC1070 -> Rogue Perseus -> Cary SLP98 -> Cary SLP98F1 -> Cary SLP05 (sold and then repurchased)
    Amplification: HK AVR330 -> Rotel RB1070 -> Rotel RB1090 -> Plinius SA102 -> Cary 211FE -> Classe M600 -> Boulder 2060
    Subwoofer: Infinity Entra2 sub -> SVS 25-31PC+ sub
  • codycatalistcodycatalist Posts: 2,567
    K_M wrote: »
    Ive tried Spotify and Tidal and thought they both sounded better than the actual CD....at times.
    ....Other times, not sure, and also at times, maybe a very slight softening of the sound, but never did a truly in depth comparison.


    I guess overall, easily good enough to not leave any bad impressions.

    I've used and am using both currently, Spotify for about 3 years or so. It took me a while to try out Tidal and even more important have something that can show me the difference. To me at least there is a discernable difference in Tidal's favor BUT it could have just been what my system needed in terms of Soundstage expansion. That and the slight softening you mentioned were the most noticeable changes. I had same feelings with CDs, I chaulk it up to the version of the CD was a bad digital file or an already compressed file uncompressed in a bad way.

    Could I live with Spotify... Yeah but man I like the other side. :D
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    "Audiophiles are the male equivalent of cat ladies." - Audiokarma Member
  • codycatalistcodycatalist Posts: 2,567
    Willow wrote: »
    Do they have a family version like Spotify? I'll take a look.


    Yep Tidal has family accounts.
    Just a dude doing dude-ly things

    "Temptation is the manifestation of desire which equals necessity." - Mikey081057
    " I have always had a champange taste with a beer budget" - Rick88
    "Just because the thread is getting views don't mean much .. I like a good train wreck doesn't mean i want to be in one..." - pitdogg2
    "Those that don't know, don't know that they don't know." - heiney9
    "Audiophiles are the male equivalent of cat ladies." - Audiokarma Member
  • audioluvraudioluvr Posts: 1,428
    Has anyone A/B'd the difference between Tidals HiFi and Premium service? Just wondering if it's worth the extra ten bucks a month.
    Home System:
    SDA 1C's - Full mod with the help by Dave...
    1000 Va Dreadnought- w/ WireWorld Mini-Eclipse cables
    WireWorld Mini-Eclipse 7 speaker cables
    WireWorld Silver Eclipse IC's
    Cambridge Audio Azur 851N - DAC/Streamer
    In The Market For A New Pre...
    B&K M200 Sonata Monoblocks
    BLE-Design 16mm Power Cables
    Denon DVD 2900

    Barn system:
    SDA SRS 2.3's Full mod done by myself
    Carver C-1 pre
    Carver M1.5t
    BluDenso - Bluetooth receiver/DAC
  • Joey_VJoey_V Posts: 7,083
    I’ll try it when my new preamp comes
    audioluvr wrote: »
    Has anyone A/B'd the difference between Tidals HiFi and Premium service? Just wondering if it's worth the extra ten bucks a month.

    Joey's Gear:
    Current Gear:
    Torus RM15 -> Emm Labs DAC2x and TSDX Transport -> Cary SLP-05 preamp -> Boulder 2060 stereo amp (w/ Audioquest WEL Signature) -> new speakers
    Rotel RA1592 Super Integrated -> Sonus Faber Olympica 3
    Rotel RC1570 preamp -> Rotel RB1582 amp -> Focal Kanta 2

    Old Gear:
    Speakers: BW PM1 (3.5/5), CM10s2 (3.75/5), BW800D3 (5/5), Rockport Aviors (5/5), Sonus Faber Stradivari (5/5), BW 802D2 (4.5/5), Martin Logan Summits (4.25/5), Martin Logan Vantage (4/5), Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor (3.75/5), AV123 Strata Mini (3.5/5), ML Mosaic (3.25/5), Onix Ref1 (3/5), Sonus Faber Concerto (2.75/5), SF Concertino (2.5/5), Axiom M22ti (2/5), Polk LSi9 (3/5), LSi7 (2.9/5)
    Source: Squeezebox 3 -> PS Audio Digital Link III -> Cary 306/200 CDP -> Cary 306 SACD -> EMM LABS DAC2X/TSDX
    Preamplification: Rotel RC1070 -> Rogue Perseus -> Cary SLP98 -> Cary SLP98F1 -> Cary SLP05 (sold and then repurchased)
    Amplification: HK AVR330 -> Rotel RB1070 -> Rotel RB1090 -> Plinius SA102 -> Cary 211FE -> Classe M600 -> Boulder 2060
    Subwoofer: Infinity Entra2 sub -> SVS 25-31PC+ sub
  • codycatalistcodycatalist Posts: 2,567
    audioluvr wrote: »
    Has anyone A/B'd the difference between Tidals HiFi and Premium service? Just wondering if it's worth the extra ten bucks a month.

    In my experience it isn’t THAT far off. Not as resolving but still good sounding, better than Spotify. I say this but have the Hifi option, I’ve been skating by on promotions after I cancelled. 3 months for $2!
    Just a dude doing dude-ly things

    "Temptation is the manifestation of desire which equals necessity." - Mikey081057
    " I have always had a champange taste with a beer budget" - Rick88
    "Just because the thread is getting views don't mean much .. I like a good train wreck doesn't mean i want to be in one..." - pitdogg2
    "Those that don't know, don't know that they don't know." - heiney9
    "Audiophiles are the male equivalent of cat ladies." - Audiokarma Member
  • audioluvraudioluvr Posts: 1,428
    I’ve been skating by on promotions after I cancelled. 3 months for $2!

    OOO! Sweet deal there! Not a bad idea.
    Joey_V wrote: »
    I’ll try it when my new preamp comes

    Thanks Joey. Can you do this on a crappy (to you) pre? Your stuff is WAY nicer than mine.
    Home System:
    SDA 1C's - Full mod with the help by Dave...
    1000 Va Dreadnought- w/ WireWorld Mini-Eclipse cables
    WireWorld Mini-Eclipse 7 speaker cables
    WireWorld Silver Eclipse IC's
    Cambridge Audio Azur 851N - DAC/Streamer
    In The Market For A New Pre...
    B&K M200 Sonata Monoblocks
    BLE-Design 16mm Power Cables
    Denon DVD 2900

    Barn system:
    SDA SRS 2.3's Full mod done by myself
    Carver C-1 pre
    Carver M1.5t
    BluDenso - Bluetooth receiver/DAC
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