Impressions of Tidal

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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,711
    I've had Tidal for a few months now. Definitely softer, not as dynamic, as my ripped files. Still has a bit more detail and separation than Napster though, but Napster is still more dynamic. Tidal just seems too rounded around the edges, but I do like the detail and separation it throws out. Trade offs I guess with everything.
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  • ThortonThorton Posts: 1,252
    tonyb wrote: »
    I've had Tidal for a few months now. Definitely softer, not as dynamic, as my ripped files. Still has a bit more detail and separation than Napster though, but Napster is still more dynamic. Tidal just seems too rounded around the edges, but I do like the detail and separation it throws out. Trade offs I guess with everything.

    Try Qobuz for free. It sounds much closer to my ripped files than Tidal. I also found Tidal to sound too rounded.
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  • codycatalistcodycatalist Posts: 2,605
    Thorton wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    I've had Tidal for a few months now. Definitely softer, not as dynamic, as my ripped files. Still has a bit more detail and separation than Napster though, but Napster is still more dynamic. Tidal just seems too rounded around the edges, but I do like the detail and separation it throws out. Trade offs I guess with everything.

    Try Qobuz for free. It sounds much closer to my ripped files than Tidal. I also found Tidal to sound too rounded.

    Agreed.
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  • verbverb Posts: 8,829
    Interesting. Had to get my read on of course. From Stereophile's audio glossary:
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  • GlennDogGlennDog Posts: 2,150
    I'm curious what type of cable most are using. USB, I'm sure.
    Keep this in mind . . . I'm a fresh as a daisy newbie streamer (using Tidal) and noticed a marked diff . . . er, improvement actually, going from a high quality USB to mid quality AES cable.
    It's too soon to make any conclusions as the cable and transport aren't run-in, yet.

    Are ya'll using USBs, or what?
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  • verbverb Posts: 8,829
    For the PC, I'm using AQ Cinnamon USB and iFi Purifier2 to the NS DAC. The 2 Cambridge streamers are connected to Tidal via WiFi, and then digital coax to the NS DAC in the basement and Peachtree Integrated in the living room.
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  • ThortonThorton Posts: 1,252
    GlennDog wrote: »
    I'm curious what type of cable most are using. USB, I'm sure.

    Are ya'll using USBs, or what?

    There’s many reviews with different cable set-ups… USB, Coaxial, AES. Most point to direct ethernet connection being the best and I can’t argue with that. I don’t see going back.
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  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,653
    I use an extender with 5 ethernet inputs for my living room, works perfect
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  • GlennDogGlennDog Posts: 2,150
    Thorton wrote: »
    There’s many reviews with different cable set-ups… USB, Coaxial, AES. Most point to direct ethernet connection being the best and I can’t argue with that. I don’t see going back.
    VR3 wrote: »
    I use an extender with 5 ethernet inputs for my living room, works perfect

    I should clarify. I’m coupling the “dacless” U1 Mini to my standalone DAC with said cable and direct Ethernet cable into the Mini
    Wifi is not an option

    I’ll let the usb run-in for the rest of the month and reevaluate 😎



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  • Mikey081057Mikey081057 Posts: 6,772
    I went the AES/EBU route from my U1 mini to my DAC... No perceptible noise and no perceptible flavoring of the music. Neat and simple and the connectors lock.

    My prefs would be:

    1 AES/EBU
    2. Digital Coax
    3. USB
    4. Optical

    But I haven't found a way to make the U1 Mini sound "bad" yet....Nicest streamer I have used to date and it mates very nicely with my DAC.
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  • I was also impressed by Tidal's Hi-Fi quality, just like CD quality. Although it's a little experience to subscribe to this plan, it worths this money.
    To play my Tidal music offline, I have used Tidal Music Downloader to download and convert Tidal to MP3 with my Hi-Fi subscription and then play them on my offline devices, such as MP3 player.
    I do love Tidal's high-quality audio files. Nice to meet Tidal to enjoy my music life.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,471
    Yes, let's convert Tidal to mp3s. Der duh der. Never heard of anything so pointless. Go away lame spammer.
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  • GlennDogGlennDog Posts: 2,150
    tonyb wrote: »
    I've had Tidal for a few months now. Definitely softer, not as dynamic, as my ripped files. Still has a bit more detail and separation than Napster though, but Napster is still more dynamic. Tidal just seems too rounded around the edges, but I do like the detail and separation it throws out. Trade offs I guess with everything.
    I’m wondering if this rounding-off was done on purpose. So the majority of ear bud and Close ‘N Play listeners find it agreeable??
    Clearly something was done to the master files, either deliberately or it’s a result of something else they did
    Thorton wrote: »
    Try Qobuz for free. It sounds much closer to my ripped files than Tidal. I also found Tidal to sound too rounded.

    Qobuz is on my list of things to try in the near future
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  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 5,152
    GlennDog wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    I've had Tidal for a few months now. Definitely softer, not as dynamic, as my ripped files. Still has a bit more detail and separation than Napster though, but Napster is still more dynamic. Tidal just seems too rounded around the edges, but I do like the detail and separation it throws out. Trade offs I guess with everything.
    I’m wondering if this rounding-off was done on purpose. So the majority of ear bud and Close ‘N Play listeners find it agreeable??
    Clearly something was done to the master files, either deliberately or it’s a result of something else they did
    Thorton wrote: »
    Try Qobuz for free. It sounds much closer to my ripped files than Tidal. I also found Tidal to sound too rounded.

    Qobuz is on my list of things to try in the near future

    Try it! Sound quality is better on Qubuz
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  • WagnerRCWagnerRC Posts: 1,988
    edited September 2019
    TIDAL is damn impressive on the Lumin D2 using balanced inputs to the the slp05 , really impressed with this product.
  • Sound quality is better on Qubuz
  • WagnerRCWagnerRC Posts: 1,988
    Qubuz is very impressive. Sound is much better. signed up for the sublime+ for a year. not a bad deal at all. I guess its by by to Tidal. Thanks for the info.
  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 8,779
    There's a lot of bands I like nowhere to be found on Qobuz but are on Tidal.
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  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,995
    Compared to FLAC’s of the same songs, they don’t compare. I wouldn’t say it sucks soup to nuts (mainly because it’s like having about 500,000+ cds) but head to head there is a clear winner.
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  • verbverb Posts: 8,829
    This is weird. I get this on the PC, but the same playlist works fine on the iphone. Any ideas Tidal gurus?
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  • verbverb Posts: 8,829
    So, I deleted that album, and added it again. All is good. Still weird, though. :)
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  • WagnerRCWagnerRC Posts: 1,988
    I cut tidal and don’t miss it. Physical media will never go away. The convenience of quboz is just nice to have.
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,995
    Jesse, what level vs level in the IC comparison?
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  • dkhcdkhc Posts: 15
    I've got some older songs on my tidal playlist and I find the app doesn't level the volume between tracks very well. Also, there are some songs I have on Spotify that I can't find on tidal.

    Not saying Spotify is any better though. I have the free version and the volume when ads play is ridiculously higher than the music on my playlist.
  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 8,779
    edited September 2019
    F1nut wrote: »
    I got to listen to some Tidal supplied music last night verses the same songs sourced from CD's, both run through the same DAC. Tidal SUCKS!!!

    In another comparison, Audioquest IC's sound like poo compared to MIT.

    Once I get the USB C cable I need I'm going to compare Tidal to local FLAC.

    Wouldn't it be something if all of my negatives on the Denton's was due to Tidal.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 43,382
    joecoulson wrote: »
    Jesse, what level vs level in the IC comparison?

    MIT Shotgun S3 to something green.
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 43,382
    Nightfall wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    I got to listen to some Tidal supplied music last night verses the same songs sourced from CD's, both run through the same DAC. Tidal SUCKS!!!

    In another comparison, Audioquest IC's sound like poo compared to MIT.

    Once I get the USB C cable I need I'm going to compare Tidal to local FLAC.

    Wouldn't it be something if all of my negatives on the Denton's was due to Tidal.

    I guarantee it didn't help. I don't ever want to hear Tidal again.
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,471
    F1nut wrote: »
    I got to listen to some Tidal supplied music last night verses the same songs sourced from CD's, both run through the same DAC. Tidal SUCKS!!!

    What was the source/device that was playing the Tidal tracks?
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 43,382
    No idea.
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