Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited February 2010
    grimmace19 wrote: »
    Though I only have entry level gear and entry level wires (acoustic research 10 gauge with bananas) I feel that they still give me a more solid connection to both the avr and speakers. I honestly don't know if they make a difference other than the mental thoughts that it does. Someday when I'm not fresh out of school and working for jack crap I will get better stuff and better cables... until then, I have no idea.

    Not to call your baby ugly, but AR cables suck real bad. You would be better off going the the auto section of Wal Cheese and getting the 14ga speaker wire there. I know I have had them.
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    Thanks
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  • Conradicles
    Conradicles Posts: 6,324
    edited February 2010
    lightman1 wrote: »
    cockroaches live in my sock drawer singing with the elves in three part harmony tube amp pickle juice...

    hehe:eek:
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  • grimmace19
    grimmace19 Posts: 1,429
    edited February 2010
    ben62670 wrote: »
    Not to call your baby ugly, but AR cables suck real bad. You would be better off going the the auto section of Wal Cheese and getting the 14ga speaker wire there. I know I have had them.

    I respect your opinion because I assume you have a lot nicer stuff than I. However, I disagree that the walmart auto cables would be better. I mean... being an **** and assuming that the mumbo jumbo of "oxygen free" and "twisted copper" mean anything, I don't know how these cables could be worse. With a more firm connection and being sealed away from the elements I can't imagine they are doing more harm than good compared to my self terminated 12 awg wire from lowes. For 3 25 foot cables that I paid under 50 bucks for on ebay I don't think I've done too badly for myself.

    Oh, and I'm sure when I have a baby... it will be ugly... Seinfeld baby ugly ;)
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited February 2010
    Grimmace, did you get the AR Master Series cables or whatever with the flex tips? I'm using a 10g set of those, and i'm pretty happy with them for the time being, and i know a few others on here are too.

    I'm sure i'll upgrade at some point in the next or so, but i'm definitely not disappointed by them.
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • grimmace19
    grimmace19 Posts: 1,429
    edited February 2010
    Yeah, they are the master series... and a correction to the previous post.. they are 15 feet.
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  • Hillbilly61
    Hillbilly61 Posts: 702
    edited February 2010
    This thread is great! It's like a infectious disease that is endemic to a community (Club Polk). It flares up from time to time and then dies down, but never completely dies out! Then out of the blue, a random event brings it back out into the open ... like a query where Burnt Umber flat paint can be found!
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  • janmike
    janmike Posts: 6,146
    edited February 2010
    So, how may blind tests have been conducted?
    Michael ;)
    In the beginning, all knowledge was new!
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited February 2010
    janmike wrote: »
    So, how may blind tests have been conducted?

    What do you mean? Every time any of us 'closes' his/her eyes and listens to their system it IS a blind test.

    cnh
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  • gsxr141
    gsxr141 Posts: 143
    edited February 2010
    i'm currently in the middle of a debate on whether "better" cables are worth the money. i feel at some point there's a difference, but i can't condone spending my whole wad on the cables. hell, i just saw a used set on audiogon at the asking price of $7,500. i thought it was a misprint so i looked up the brand and to my surprise they are $24,500 new. come on now.
    50" samsung dlp
    receiver... pioneer elite vsx72txv
    front... polk tsi400's
    rear surrounds... polk tsi100's
    center... polk csi3
    subs... psw150..... 2 of them.
    surrounds.....polk owm3's
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  • 98Badger
    98Badger Posts: 317
    edited February 2010
    If you don't have them already, room treatments will give you a bigger increase in sound quality per dollar than cables.
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  • mdaudioguy
    mdaudioguy Posts: 5,165
    edited February 2010
    It's been a while since I posted in this very serious thread.
    I was a skeptic then, now I'm a believer.
    Ok, maybe still a bit skeptical, but my ears are telling me there's a difference. Screw what my brain thinks...

    Btw, 3/20 is BOBT Day - a day to honor the man for kicking off this wonderful thread!
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  • Polkitup2
    Polkitup2 Posts: 1,640
    edited February 2010
    My testing has revealed that some cables sound the same and some sound different. Some sound better and some sound worse. Some sound bright and some sound dull. Some look pretty and some look manly. Some fit well and some dont' fit at all. And finally, some cables are longer than others.
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  • grimmace19
    grimmace19 Posts: 1,429
    edited February 2010
    "Some look pretty and some look manly. Some fit well and some dont' fit at all. And finally, some cables are longer than others."

    Cables huh? ;)
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
    edited February 2010
    Hillbilly61 wrote: »
    This thread is great! It's like a infectious disease that is endemic to a community (Club Polk). It flares up from time to time and then dies down, but never completely dies out!

    Maybe one of the pharmaceuticals should devote some time to developing a "Valtrex" for speaker cable threads :)
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited February 2010
    I think I've stopped caring about cables altogether.

    I've got some decent IC's...some decent speaker cables. I think I'm good on cable upgrades for the next 5-10 years or so.

    Maybe once I've got the rig of my dreams, with a fully acoustically treated listening area, I'll worry about squeezing that last little .000001% of performance out with better cables.


    I'd rather spend the money on a really big bag of..."stuff". That's going to make more of an improvement than any cables ever will.;)
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  • Knucklehead
    Knucklehead Posts: 3,602
    edited March 2010
    I was wondering what happened to this thread.
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited March 2010
    I hate you.......
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

    Living Room: B&K Reference 5 S2 / Parasound HCA-1000A / Emotiva XDA-2 / Pioneer BDP-51FD / Paradigm 11se MKiii

    Desk: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / ISK HD9999

    Office: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / Dynaco SCA-80Q / Paradigm Legend V.3

    HT: Denon AVR-X3400H / Sony UBP-X700 / RT16 / CS350LS / RT7 / SVS PB1000
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  • Knucklehead
    Knucklehead Posts: 3,602
    edited March 2010
    concealer404 wrote: »
    I hate you.......

    Happy Friday Ben!!!!!
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    Mirage PS-12
    LG BDP-550
    Motorola HD FIOS DVR
    Panasonic 42" Plasma
    XBOX 360[/SIZE]

    Office stuff

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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited March 2010
    Knucklehead wrote: »
    Happy Friday Ben!!!!!

    Back at you buddy! Can i go home now? :D
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

    Living Room: B&K Reference 5 S2 / Parasound HCA-1000A / Emotiva XDA-2 / Pioneer BDP-51FD / Paradigm 11se MKiii

    Desk: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / ISK HD9999

    Office: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / Dynaco SCA-80Q / Paradigm Legend V.3

    HT: Denon AVR-X3400H / Sony UBP-X700 / RT16 / CS350LS / RT7 / SVS PB1000
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  • Zitro
    Zitro Posts: 864
    edited March 2010
    I've been listening to my vintage rig a lot recently, so I don't need to worry about high end cables anyways because most won't fit in the Sansui's small speaker outputs lol.
    - Jeremy

    Amps: Jolida FX-10, NAD 3045, NAD C320BEE, Sansui G-9700
    Speakers: Polk Monitor 7A's, KEF Reference 104aB
    Sources: ProJect Debut Carbon, Sonos streaming FLAC
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  • Knucklehead
    Knucklehead Posts: 3,602
    edited March 2010
    concealer404 wrote: »
    Back at you buddy! Can i go home now? :D

    Yes......you may.:p
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    Mirage PS-12
    LG BDP-550
    Motorola HD FIOS DVR
    Panasonic 42" Plasma
    XBOX 360[/SIZE]

    Office stuff

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    Pioneer CDP PD-M430
    RT8t's & Wharfedale Diamond II's[/SIZE]

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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,875
    edited March 2010
    This thread is about as useful as a Worldbook Encyclopedia from 1926...

    What I wouldn't give to see a Modlock on this one....
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2800 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson

    How many flies need to be buzzing a dead horse before you guys stop beating it?
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  • vc69
    vc69 Posts: 2,500
    edited March 2010
    I love you guys... *sniff sniff* ;)
    -Kevin
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
    edited March 2010
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    . . . what I wouldn't give to see a Modlock on this one....

    But in this new kinder, gentler forum it probably won't get ugly again :)
    VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
    TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
    Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
    PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
    Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
    NAD SS rigs w/mods
    GIK panels
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited March 2010
    inspiredsports wrote: »
    But in this new kinder, gentler forum it probably won't get ugly again :)

    LMAO!!!:eek::D
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,875
    edited March 2010
    inspiredsports wrote: »
    But in this new kinder, gentler forum it probably won't get ugly again :)

    ROFLMAO!!!:D:D:D

    Just resurecting this **** from the dead is ugly enough!!!:eek::p
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2800 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson

    How many flies need to be buzzing a dead horse before you guys stop beating it?
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,545
    edited March 2010
    Speaker cables are in fact, not fiction.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Source: Rotel CD14MkII CD Player - Speakers: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,796
    edited March 2010
    Tom has tuna breath.....and I am never allowed near his speaker cables again.:o
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,796
    edited March 2010
    Bite me, Karen!:p
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,796
    edited March 2010
    Kex wrote: »
    ^^^^ Could you fookin' pee on this thread already?!
    Bite me, Karen!:p
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