Spearker cables..fact or fiction?
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Crap! I think the bozo list generator is broken!!! I can't add them... or am i doing it wrong? I already added Williamm2 or whatever, but now i can't figure out how to add more again.
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Just go to your CP, click on the edit ignore list option on the left side and add the Bozo's name, click okay. Should be that easy.
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With MIT, are they really cables in the truest sense? I mean those things have a monster LCR network just sitting there in the middle. Could there be another term other than 'cable'. I bet the Germans have a word for it. They cook up words for everything.
My real problem is for that kind of money I would rather buy beer brewing equipment. Yes, the one thing I like more than audio: Brewing. -
wutadumsn23 wrote: »Just go to your CP, click on the edit ignore list option on the left side and add the Bozo's name, click okay. Should be that easy.
-Jeff
Gotcha! Thanks for saving my day. I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.
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Np man, glad I could help. Can never have too many Bozo's around here it seems, lol.
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Again Jeff, I blame curt for all the bozo's around here :rolleyes: JK lol
I'd like to try some MIT's sometime, but I'll need to upgrade way too much before I can do that. Wanna lend me 5 grand? Truck setup
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Sounds like a good explanation to me Freddy, lol. Curt is usually behind most of the hijinks here, lol. I wouldn't mind getting my hands on some MIT's as well, IIRC Ricardo has a demo going here for a set of them. Not that it would make a huge diff. in my humble setup probably, lol. I am currently waiting on a set of AQ Type 4's that should be on the way to my house, another demo here at Club Polk.
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http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79365&highlight=mit+round thread for the MIT demoHT Rig
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wutadumsn23 wrote: »Sounds like a good explanation to me Freddy, lol. Curt is usually behind most of the hijinks here, lol. I wouldn't mind getting my hands on some MIT's as well, IIRC Ricardo has a demo going here for a set of them. Not that it would make a huge diff. in my humble setup probably, lol. I am currently waiting on a set of AQ Type 4's that should be on the way to my house, another demo here at Club Polk.
-Jeff
Ah you're talking about the pair I passed on. I just didn't want to bother with them anymore. Need to prioritize, and a tubed pre is calling my name
Edit: Demo is for members 6months+, no biggie though lol you're trying to make me spend more money elsehwere.Truck setup
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Only way I'll ever get to see a $200+ set of speaker wires, lol. Gotta love this place.
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I find this hilarious, seems like there was a couple drunk kids fighthing all night at this address. This thread is becoming more an more of the typical american soap. Drama, drama, drama...concealer404 wrote: »This thread... uh.... holy crap. <shakes head>
I don't even know why i come in here.... i hear a difference, and that's all that matters. I couldn't care less if anyone else does, or if they want to spend the money. That's all anyone should care about, this debate doesn't even have to be here.
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I find this hilarious, seems like there was a couple drunk kids fighthing all night at this address. This thread is becoming more an more of the typical american soap. Drama, drama, drama...
I think i'd rather watch an entire season of The OC in one sitting than read this thread.
But i'm drawn to it. It's like a bad train wreck.I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.
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inspiredsports wrote: »I'm glad civility has returned and there aren't a lot of Molotov's being tossed around like those good old days
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Irony!inspiredsports wrote: »An to think I posted this just 2 short days ago . . . .DARE TO SOAR:
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Did I hear my name? Sorry guys...it's out of my control.
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Again Jeff, I blame curt for all the bozo's around here :rolleyes: JK lol
Maybe out of your control, but still your faultcomfortablycurt wrote: »Did I hear my name? Sorry guys...it's out of my control.
The thread goes on.:p If I were you, I'd be ashamed to admit that I lost control 
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Question, what is it with non-cable believers that run 'moderate to hi-fi' gear that they can't afford to spend a few bucks on some quality cables? Ignorance scales that much huh.....I think they're only hurting themselves.Truck setup
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Question, what is it with non-cable believers that run 'moderate to hi-fi' gear that they can't afford to spend a few bucks on some quality cables? Ignorance scales that much huh.....I think they're only hurting themselves.
Why would we? If you can't hear a difference between product A and product B, but Product A is $50 and Product B is $100, you would logically go with Product A. It is illogical to go for a more expensive product that offers identical performance. -
It is logical to save more money if you indeed didn't hear any results, or better yet results you were happy with. Some of these 'audiophiles' though don't give quality cables a chance, that's who I was aiming at.Truck setup
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Hey. sure isn't everyone that shares that logicWhy would we? If you can't hear a difference between product A and product B, but Product A is $50 and Product B is $100, you would logically go with Product A. It is illogical to go for a more expensive product that offers identical performance. This discussion definitely proves it! I am convinced that if they were to increase substantially the price of white van speakers, many would fall for it: "You get what you pay for" DARE TO SOAR:
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It is logical to save more money if you indeed didn't hear any results, or better yet results you were happy with. Some of these 'audiophiles' though don't give quality cables a chance, that's who I was aiming at.
Same could be said on those who haven't tried pricier cables. They don't believe there will be a difference, and therefore see no reason to spend the additional coin. From their perspective anyone who does and believes they hear a difference is a fool, from your perspective they are cheap and ignorant.
Since neither ever changes there perspective these threads have no point beyond comical value. But that's just IMO YMMV.Hey. sure isn't everyone that shares that logic This discussion definitely proves it! I am convinced that if they were to increase substantially the price of white van speakers, many would fall for it: "You get what you pay for"
Price anchoring works for plenty of products, actually white van speakers are a perfect example. They show a fancy brochure with a $2500 price, then you can get them right then and there for only $500. You are anchored to the higher price, and believe you are getting quite the deal.
Kinda like how store put their most expensive products out front, go look at the end caps of a Best Buy for a good example, always the "best" TVs. Of course they don't plan on selling you that TV, they just anchor you at that price and then sell you the less expensive (yet more profit) next down model.
Same could be said about cables, have a top of the line model that sells for $$$$ that next to no one buys, then the $200 interconnects don't seem as expensive. I mean they have many of the features of the higher end wires, "90% of the performance for 20% of the price" kind a deal. -
I'm not sure I follow the "White Van" logic.
To my knowledge, "White Van" cables don't have a great reputation, so I don't believe people would rush pay $500 to a vendor selling out of one, no matter what price tags their products bear.
On the other hand, name brands command high prices because many willingly pay those prices. The products are repeatedly deemed as being worth those prices.
It's up to you to determine how you are willing to pay for any given cable, but not how I should bge willing to pay. It's essentially an auction, and I will pay as much as I see fit if I believe I am getting a benefit.
The key is, most use personal listening to make the determination, not price anchoring.VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
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inspiredsports wrote: »I'm not sure I follow the "White Van" logic.
To my knowledge, "White Van" cables don't have a great reputation, so I don't believe people would rush pay $500 to a vendor selling out of one, no matter what price tags their products bear.
On the other hand, name brands command high prices because many willingly pay those prices. The products are repeatedly deemed as being worth those prices.
It's up to you to determine how you are willing to pay for any given cable, but not how I should be willing to pay. It's essentially an auction, and I will pay as much as I see fit if I believe I am getting a benefit.
The key is, most use personal listening to make the determination, not price anchoring.
Never heard of White Van cables. I thought we were talking about White Van Speakers.
The White Van Speaker Scam usually has brochures or advertisements showing that the speakers they have sell for big money, usually $2k+. They offer to sell it to you for a paltry $500. You know nothing about the speakers beyond what they tell you, but many will buy based on the thought that they are getting $2k speakers for $500, they must be good for $2k. Another example would be Bose.
Maybe you personally don't buy based price anchoring, but many do, that's the reason they do it. Flip open any audio advisor catalog and I can guarantee you will see some high priced AudioQuest speaker cable on the same page as some that are priced at 20-30% the price. You see the high priced ones first, then the cheaper ones, and then the ole "90% of the performance) spiel.
As for it not being about price anchoring, I didn't say it was. You said: "if they were to increase substantially the price of white van speakers, many would fall for it". I think the crazy prices are just part of the equation. I would say that VERY few actually buy based on personal experience. You probably meant most on CP, but your average consumer is not very informed.
And before a bunch of people jump in and say they don't buy based on price, the plural of anecdote is not statistic, nor are we all the "average" consumer. -
Never heard of White Van cables. I thought we were talking about White Van Speakers.
The White Van Speaker Scam usually has brochures or advertisements showing that the speakers they have sell for big money, usually $2k+. They offer to sell it to you for a paltry $500. You know nothing about the speakers beyond what they tell you, but many will buy based on the thought that they are getting $2k speakers for $500, they must be good for $2k. Another example would be Bose.
Maybe you personally don't buy based price anchoring, but many do, that's the reason they do it. Flip open any audio advisor catalog and I can guarantee you will see some high priced AudioQuest speaker cable on the same page as some that are priced at 20-30% the price. You see the high priced ones first, then the cheaper ones, and then the ole "90% of the performance) spiel.
As for it not being about price anchoring, I didn't say it was. You said: "if they were to increase substantially the price of white van speakers, many would fall for it". I think the crazy prices are just part of the equation. I would say that VERY few actually buy based on personal experience. You probably meant most on CP, but your average consumer is not very informed.
And before a bunch of people jump in and say they don't buy based on price, the plural of anecdote is not statistic, nor are we all the "average" consumer.
Good points. I think I was sleepy when I posted last night. You are right that CP members are better equipped, and somehow Bose manages to thrive too so there must be many who don't listen first to maximize the impact of their buying dollars.VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
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comfortablycurt wrote: »That's freakin profound man...lol
I tried to keep it simple. When I first joined I thought these cable beleivers were idiots. Then I tried some used cables on a whim. Also a Polkie came over with some cables. I learned they can make a huge difference. A lot of times I do wish that I was still ignorantly bliss with my late 80's JVC top of the line 2 channel receiver, and my Infinity speakers, but I had to seek better...Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
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