Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited April 2009
    tcrossma wrote: »
    I'm pretty they have a position to some degree, since this is from their Support / FAQ page:

    http://www.polkaudio.com/education/showanswer.php?question_num=80

    A quote:





    I read this as: Not all wire is created equal and it does matter what you get.


    I can't believe they put Monster Cable in there! I personally don't care much for the way the Monster cables sound.
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  • Hillbilly61
    Hillbilly61 Posts: 702
    edited April 2009
    Face wrote: »
    Cable advice from xcapri is like getting sex advice from a 40 year old virgin.


    Oh, come on! Maybe, it is more like having sex with a 40 year old who likes to have sex. It may be personally meaningless, but when it is happening it is still good! Give Xcapri a break (provided he/she does not get baited into a troll circle jerk).
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    I am still waiting...
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited April 2009
    tcrossma wrote: »
    I'm pretty they have a position to some degree, since this is from their Support / FAQ page:

    http://www.polkaudio.com/education/showanswer.php?question_num=80

    Good catch.

    I can't wait to see the trolls response to this.:rolleyes:

    I'm sure they'll find some way to frame it as a conspiracy...Polk getting paid off by the cable companies they mentioned or something to that effect...lol
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,804
    edited April 2009
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Imagine what differences can be heard with even better cable on even better resolving systems.

    So it is just your imagination.;)
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,804
    edited April 2009
    tcrossma wrote: »
    I'm pretty they have a position to some degree, since this is from their Support / FAQ page:

    http://www.polkaudio.com/education/showanswer.php?question_num=80

    I read this as: Not all wire is created equal and it does matter what you get.

    Or if you read the article X linked to above, you might read it another way. A quote from the article:
    Polk Audio, a well respected manufacturer of loudspeakers in Baltimore, no longer makes cables but declined an invitation to set up a listening test in its laboratories. One reason it gave was that the test could affect relationships with audio stores. "We would be hearing from every retailer in the country," said Paul Dicomo, communications director for Polk Audio.

    They don't want to piss off their dealers.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    Still waiting...
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,804
    edited April 2009
    ben62670 wrote: »
    I am still waiting...

    For what? Why don't you list these identical measuring speakers? But we will need more information. Do they measure the same at all volume levels? Same on axis and off? Same dispersion characteristics? Same distortion levels at all volumes?
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    WilliamM2 wrote: »
    For what? Why don't you list these identical measuring speakers? But we will need more information. Do they measure the same at all volume levels? Same on axis and off? Same dispersion characteristics? Same distortion levels at all volumes?

    Yes sir, but different characteristics like a Stradivarius, but you would know better.
    Thanks
    Still waiting for an intelligent reply.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    OK even simpler for guys that don't get it.

    Statement by statement for simple folk.

    Two amps with the same figures all across the board like my beloved JVC(before I got serious about this hobby) +- .5db from 5hz to 50khz with identical distortion figures at the same watts.

    Do both amps sound the same.

    Thanks again.
    Shooting fish in a barrel is tiresome.

    Again please please please say something moderately intelligent.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    Please please please say something smart.
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,804
    edited April 2009
    ben62670 wrote: »
    Yes sir, but different characteristics like a Stradivarius, but you would know better.
    Thanks
    Still waiting for an intelligent reply.
    Ben

    What speakers are they? I've never seen any two speakers that measure identically on all those things. Or are these just imaginary speakers, to support your imaginary differences in cables?
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,804
    edited April 2009
    ben62670 wrote: »
    Please please please say something smart.


    You first.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    WilliamM2 wrote: »
    What speakers are they? I've never seen any two speakers that measure identically on all those things. Or are these just imaginary speakers, to support your imaginary differences in cables?

    Is it that hard to find a pair of speaker that have the same frequency response? Do you not realize that two speakers that share the same FR are different?
    Thanks for supporting my statements.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    WilliamM2 wrote: »
    You first.

    OK sweet William please respond to two amps with the same specks...
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,804
    edited April 2009
    ben62670 wrote: »
    OK sweet William please respond to two amps with the same specks...

    What are specks?
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,804
    edited April 2009
    ben62670 wrote: »
    Is it that hard to find a pair of speaker that have the same frequency response? Do you not realize that two speakers that share the same FR are different?
    Thanks for supporting my statements.
    Ben

    Find me two speakers that measure the same in all the specs I listed, and make sure they are +-1 from 35hz to 20Khz. Good luck.
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  • mrbigbluelight
    mrbigbluelight Posts: 9,878
    edited April 2009
    There's an old saying that comes to mind reading this thread:

    "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed **** is Queen" .

    So .... wait a second, I may have that wrong. Let me check wikipedia, the All-Knowing Source for some ...... okay, lessee...... Ooops ! My bad !

    "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed jack is King".


    And, yes, I'm entertaining myself again. Have to. Speaking of which, here's a picture (guess what it is):

    Transformer.jpg





    That's right, it's a .........






























    Fourier Transformer



    We now return you to your regularly scheduled program, "Spearkers".
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    WilliamM2 wrote: »
    Find me two speakers that measure the same in all the specs I listed, and make sure they are +-1 from 35hz to 20Khz. Good luck.

    OK are you aying that two speakers that measure the same in frequency repsonse sound the same?
    I am simple so please keep it kind.
    Thanks
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited April 2009
    mrbigbluelight wrote: »
    Speaking of which, here's a picture (guess what it is):

    Transformer.jpg





    That's right, it's a .........






























    Fourier Transformer


    I disagree and think your science is flawed.That is clearly a Hilbert Transform...er.;)
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    Do I see a poweer button in my future, or leads to such a thing;)
    Cheers
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited April 2009
    ben62670 wrote: »
    Do I see a poweer button in my future, or leads to such a thing;)
    Cheers
    Ben:)
    Oh ****,sorry my forgots.:oIt's still sitting on my cabinet, I will send the next day or two.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    GV#27 wrote: »
    Oh ****,sorry my forgots.:oIt's still sitting on my cabinet, I will send the next day or two.

    Cool cool. Let me know if there is anything I can do for you.
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,804
    edited April 2009
    ben62670 wrote: »
    OK are you aying that two speakers that measure the same in frequency repsonse sound the same?
    I am simple so please keep it kind.
    Thanks
    Ben

    There are many more measurements to speakers than just frequency response, as I pointed out several posts ago. There is also interaction with the room, which would vary with the size of the cabinet, and placement of the drivers in the cabinet. So no, I don't think two speakers would sound the same just because they have the same frequency response.

    What exactly does this have to do with speaker wires? Was anyone on this thread claiming that all speakers sound the same?
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    OK I'll simplify it even more. Two speakers, or amps that measure the same scientifically in the same exact environment are going to sound the same?
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    Please say something intelligent. I do enjoy your views on technology, but your cable debates are very boring.
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,804
    edited April 2009
    ben62670 wrote: »
    OK I'll simplify it even more. Two speakers, or amps that measure the same scientifically in the same exact environment are going to sound the same?

    I'll ask again, what do imaginary speakers have to do with speaker cables?
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    OK I'll dumb it down a bit. I am content that I hear a difference in cables, and you don't. I do understand that. The point that I am trying to reach (which I thought I have explained clearly enough)is that even though two different components in the audio reproductive chain seem like a scientifically match measurement wise they do not sound the same.
    Clear enough for ya?
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,804
    edited April 2009
    ben62670 wrote: »
    OK I'll dumb it down a bit. I am content that I hear a difference in cables, and you don't. I do understand that. The point that I am trying to reach (which I thought I have explained clearly enough)is that even though two different components in the audio reproductive chain seem like a scientifically match measurement wise they do not sound the same.
    Clear enough for ya?

    Clear as can be, except you have yet to show two components or speakers that measure the same in all aspects.
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  • vonnie123
    vonnie123 Posts: 326
    edited April 2009
    I would chime in that sometimes even the same brand and model of speakers do not sound identical independent of one another. I actually have two sets of Polk RM towers using the same type of speaker cables which fit that bill.
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