No excuse for cable naysayers

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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited February 2010
    jinjuku wrote: »
    Since I own Parasound and DIY Zaph ZDT 3.5'sI wouldn't presume to speak for them.

    My setup, especially given the price, is no slouch by any means. Maybe some Bose owners could benefit from some MIT cables.

    Parasound what? Entry level, or somewhat better? If DIY means Do It Yourself then did you follow the instructions for assembling the speakers? Probably not, if your reading comprehension is on par with your understanding of audio.

    Assuming you have good Parasound electronics, and correctly assembled your speakers, I would guess you originally used the speaker wire from your prior system. Of course, anyone interested in audio would realize that what worked for a cheap system might not be appropriate for a better system, and would upgrade their wire.

    So, did you hear a difference between hardware store 12 gauge (or whatever your original wire is), and a cable from a company claiming their cables make a difference? If not then that is fine. If you did then your arguing cables do not make a difference does not make any sense. Of course, there is the third option, which is you never bothered to try a different cable, and are just running your mouth with no experience to back it up.
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,788
    edited February 2010
    I farted. And it sounded like church bells. Impressed myself!
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,575
    edited February 2010
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Parasound what? Entry level, or somewhat better?

    No cables mentioned.
    Zaph ZDT 3.5's for L/C/R. PSB Century 400i's for surrounds.

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    Parasound HCA 1000a for L/R

    Receiver drives the center

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    Since I consider it critical to my setup:

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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited February 2010
    jinjuku wrote: »
    They won't even read the ChrisWiggles thread at AVS where a member couldn't pick out his Opus MM cables from Monster Cable. Save your breath.

    I read it, it was a flawed test at best. The author in a round-about way even admitted it. Carry on.

    Again, if you love those other forums so much stay there and stop causing trouble here.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited February 2010
    jinjuku wrote: »
    Feel free to do more than state 'Your logic is ignorant'. I can see you are a master debater.

    I understand they have a cable for every budget. But if you could read you would have noticed the title of the thread.
    Upon further research you would have enlightened yourself by finding out that MIT is only lending certain cables out of their product line up. You also would have found out that you have to pass some form of litmus test.

    If you would have read this thread in its entirety you would have found that the OP didn't realize the offer he posted was for the highest of MITs line. Then you also would have read that MIT upon turning down a member suggested a better match of their line for his gear. Then you would have noticed that another member posted a link to MIT's library that is more affordable to us who don't have 50K systems.

    So stop pontificating and doing your usual trolling and stiring of the pot. Now take your foot out of mouth and get lost.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited February 2010
    I'd pay money for a cable discussion/argument to actually be interesting to read.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited February 2010
    jinjuku wrote: »
    No one is saying you do or don't hear a difference. You are just asked to pick it all out in a double blind a/b/x test...

    That is you can follow the bouncing ball that would be YOUR cable.

    NO! Not necessary and why do we have to prove anything by your standard?
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  • mdaudioguy
    mdaudioguy Posts: 5,165
    edited February 2010
    dorokusai wrote: »
    I'd pay money for a cable discussion/argument to actually be interesting to read.

    +1 Please????:o
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,259
    edited February 2010
    I am sure NHRA and NASCAR owners waste a ton of money on spark plug wires as well. because I would think if cables don't make a difference in audio how can it make a difference in automotive.


    Just saying.

    Some get it and do it, some don't and just cry about it.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,179
    edited February 2010
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    I am sure NHRA and NASCAR owners waste a ton of money on spark plug wires as well. because I would think if cables don't make a difference in audio how can it make a difference in automotive.


    Just saying.

    Some get it and do it, some don't and just cry about it.

    I use these in my car, model KV-85.

    http://www.magnecor.com/magnecor1/main.htm

    They make a difference

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited February 2010
    heiney9 wrote: »
    I use these in my car, model KV-85.

    http://www.magnecor.com/magnecor1/main.htm

    They make a difference

    H9
    They made a difference in my car too, plenty of misfires. :D
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited February 2010
    jinjuku wrote: »
    Uh, 100's of people talking about how a product improved their system. Even though they might not be able to afford it...

    Read English?

    You need to work on your reading comprehension. Those of us that haven't tried MIT cables don't say that MIT cables DID improve our system.

    I read English very well. Almost as well as i write it.
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,179
    edited February 2010
    Face wrote: »
    They made a difference in my car too, plenty of misfires. :D

    Really? Are you joking or did you have some real issues? I can highly recommend Magnecor wires based on my use. They are really, really long lasting and dead reliable.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited February 2010
    Here we go with the BS.

    If someone can't tell the difference between Canare 4S11 and MIT cables, something else is seriously wrong in their rig or listening room. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Canare 4S11, but mid to high end MIT's will have a bigger soundstage and image better.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited February 2010
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Really? Are you joking or did you have some real issues? I can highly recommend Magnecor wires based on my use. They are really, really long lasting and dead reliable.
    I had nothing but problems with them on my supercharged Regal. I know of others who had the same problem, maybe it was just an issue with that application.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited February 2010
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    MIT cables are simply a more advanced version of the BOSE marketing strategy.
    Just like BOSE some love it and some hate it. Hey it is still a free country.
    High end audio stores that carry MIT love them and the stores that don't carry them say they are snake oil.
    Go figure. At any rate, buyer beware.

    There is a long discussion of this on Audiogon.
    http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?fcabl&1034867178&openfrom&1&4

    Another discussion board asks what is inside the MIT box?
    Essentially it's MIT's version of cable magic aka snake oil.
    http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/50068-6-oracle-cables-what

    The local hi-end audio store here has a set of MIT cables with the magic box opened for his customers to see. Needless to say, he doesn't carry MIT cables.
    Just sayin.

    Marketing my behind! May I ask how many MIT ICs, speaker wire, power cords have you tried and how many of those boxes did you open to see what's inside?

    BTW the audiogon link you provided seems more pro MIT than con. Did you do that on purpose or did you not read the thread?
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,179
    edited February 2010
    Face wrote: »
    I had nothing but problems with them on my supercharged Regal. I know of others who had the same problem, maybe it was just an issue with that application.

    Very possible, not everything works like it should in every application. These have been in the car since 2003 and they still look and perform like new. Probably around 40K in mileage since they were installed in July of 2003.

    Might want to try them on your GTi. I bought them because I believe they make a difference but I also wanted something that would last a very long time and they definitely have. They aren't cheap but I think the extra expense is worth it. About $265 for 6 Cylinder car.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,575
    edited February 2010
    Way to go fordpinto79, posting more links to try and act like you know something about a product you have absolutely ZERO experience with. Funny thing about a lot of the posters in your links that are poo-pooing the product is that they have no experience with them either. Go figure.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,179
    edited February 2010
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    Marketing my behind! May I ask how many MIT ICs, speaker wire, power cords have you tried and how many of those boxes did you open to see what's inside?

    BTW the audiogon link you provided seems more pro MIT than con. Did you do that on purpose or did you not read the thread?

    Joe, you have to let these ****-hats go, and ignore the BS and pot stirring they are doing. Let it go man, the back and forth isn't worth it. They aren't even trying to have an intelligent discussion.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited February 2010
    XPinto wouldn't know what a soundstage was if it hit him in the face.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • Montoya
    Montoya Posts: 506
    edited February 2010
    The real question is have you tried an oracle cable yes or no?
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    MIT cables are simply a more advanced version of the BOSE marketing strategy.
    Just like BOSE some love it and some hate it. Hey it is still a free country.
    High end audio stores that carry MIT love them and the stores that don't carry them say they are snake oil.
    Go figure. At any rate, buyer beware.

    There is a long discussion of this on Audiogon.
    http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?fcabl&1034867178&openfrom&1&4

    Another discussion board asks what is inside the MIT box?
    Essentially it's MIT's version of cable magic aka snake oil.
    http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/50068-6-oracle-cables-what

    The local hi-end audio store here has a set of MIT cables with the magic box opened for his customers to see. Needless to say, he doesn't carry MIT cables.
    Just sayin.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited February 2010
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    The point is that there are two sides to the story.
    People love'em or hate'em.

    Isn't that the way it is with us humans on almost everything?;)


    xcapri79 wrote: »
    Hey, like FOX news, I'm fair and balanced.

    BTW, Sarah Palin was simply gorgeous on FOX this morning.
    I liked what she said too.

    Damnit man you've got me agreeing with you again!:eek::D Except that I think Fox news is fair and balanced you on the other well, er, um . . . :p
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited February 2010
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Joe, you have to let these ****-hats go, and ignore the BS and pot stirring they are doing. Let it go man, the back and forth isn't worth it. They aren't even trying to have an intelligent discussion.

    H9

    Believe it or not Brock ,and my Lord God please don't send a bolt of lightning my way, I think X is a little more reasonable than the "other" trolls. Just a feeling I have.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited February 2010
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    You don't have to try drugs or purchase swampland to know they are bad deals. Anyways if you love them great. But plenty of "in the know people" don't. The debate over "religion" never ends and the placebo effect is real.

    Geaux Saints. They are for real!

    "In the know people?" You mean the fanatics who won't open their minds and will go to any length even producing flawed slanted tests and results to force their beliefs down the throats of people who REALLY know.
    Geaux Saints. They are for real!

    Objectively speaking they are a bunch of cheaters and cheap shot artists. Subjectively speaking they are a very good team.:D
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,179
    edited February 2010
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    Believe it or not Brock ,and my Lord God please don't send a bolt of lightning my way, I think X is a little more reasonable than the "other" trolls. Just a feeling I have.

    A troll is a troll..............there is no "degree". You either are a troll or aren't a troll. He's always in these types of threads and his sole purpose is to stir the pot. He has no intention of ever participating in any kind of comparison whether it's free or by invitation of other Polk members. He and the others are here to see how much controversy their convoluted rantings can cause.

    Frankly I grow weary of it and I have better things to do, like listen to tunes.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,179
    edited February 2010
    Joe, I'm waiting for the Hitler analogy...................then we will have seen everything.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited February 2010
    heiney9 wrote: »
    A troll is a troll..............there is no "degree". You either are a troll or aren't a troll. He's always in these types of threads and his sole purpose is to stir the pot. He has no intention of ever participating in any kind of comparison whether it's free or by invitation of other Polk members. He and the others are here to see how much controversy their convoluted rantings can cause.

    Frankly I grow weary of it and I have better things to do, like listen to tunes.

    H9

    Well when you put it that way . . . ;)
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited February 2010
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Joe, I'm waiting for the Hitler analogy...................then we will have seen everything.

    H9

    :eek::eek::eek: LOL!
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  • Montoya
    Montoya Posts: 506
    edited February 2010
    I'm with you I'm out it's senseless talking to people who have no intention on trying new things. And who compare trying drugs to trying different audio components. WTF
    heiney9 wrote: »
    A troll is a troll..............there is no "degree". You either are a troll or aren't a troll. He's always in these types of threads and his sole purpose is to stir the pot. He has no intention of ever participating in any kind of comparison whether it's free or by invitation of other Polk members. He and the others are here to see how much controversy their convoluted rantings can cause.

    Frankly I grow weary of it and I have better things to do, like listen to tunes.

    H9
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited February 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    No cables mentioned.

    Post 147 you dolt...
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