No excuse for cable naysayers

Zeros

Heiney, why are you so angry about this? He is entitled to his opinion just like you or me. He can decide whether or not to buy MIT cables based on whatever he wants. I don't think that you should tell him that he is "ridiculous" and to "grow up" just because you disagree with him. Like TroyD said, we are all just stating our opinions.

heiney9

I'm not angry at all................just can't really understand a person's thought process that would completely dismiss a company because they aren't allowed to try something for free (the most expensive product the co. makes) they will never buy and can't afford at this time.

I'm just voicing my opinion too. Curt and I are good friends, but I can still call what I think is ridiculous. I don;t agree with you either, not the end of the world, no angry at all. Just trying to have a healthy discussion.

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Zeros

Cool, I'm glad we can agree to disagree. Sorry if I caused any more issues.

heiney9

Zeros wrote: »

Cool, I'm glad we can agree to disagree. Sorry if I cause any more issues.

Ha, I didn;t know by posting what I thought was an innocuous thread would be so polarizing. I should have realized it was for their best cable(s) and only a select few would even be selected.

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Zeros

It would be interesting to see what requirements would need to be met to qualify, huh?

comfortablycurt

No, I'm not going to be spending 6-45k on cables anytime soon...but who knows what the future could bring? I doubt I ever would...but in the event that I do decide to eventually, being declined for a demo doesn't go very far towards selling me on MIT. It kind of makes me want to check out Audioquests DBS cables a little more really...

Regardless...that post was only half serious anyway. I doubt I'd be buying any MIT cables anytime soon even if I did get approved for that demo. Quite frankly...the network boxes don't seem that appealing to me. I don't see how they could be anything but an EQ(or something that manipulates the signal in some way). That's neither here nor there in this thread though. I'm yet to hear them in my rig, but I will whenever the AVT demo comes around to me(in like 2 years...lol). My thoughts on the network boxes could completely change at that point.

It kind of makes MIT come off as being a rather snobby company though IMO. I've only heard of a couple people being approved for it...but I've heard of numerous people being denied. It's basically a smack in the face...or a "your crappy equipment isn't good enough for our gold plated cables" kind of feeling.

heiney9

Curt, you of all people should know that you really need to hear them before dismissing them. The network boxes, to you, are a little gimmicky, but the dBS system that uses a DC component (battery) isn't?

I have no problem if after you hear anything in your rig you don't prefer it, but what you surmise about the network boxes just has no foundation.

Anyways..............it's good to agree to disagree and hopefully soon you can head to my place for a couple beers and hang-out and listen to some music which includes, MIT's Tubes and Nelson Pass.

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Knucklehead

I see both sides to this.....its kind of dis-heartning (weather anybody admits it or not) to have someone say your gear "isnt good enough", I would say eff em too. Then again, the Co. I work for isnt going to "lend" an ATM for a free trial to a bank that has no intentions of purchasing said equipmemt in the future.

heiney9

So much for my innocuous thread, now people feel they are being belittled because a company, in business to make a buck, won;t willy-nilly loan out $6-45K worth of brand new cables to anyone who asks.?????????

Amazing.........simply amazing

heiney9

Knucklehead wrote: »

I see both sides to this.....its kind of dis-heartning (weather anybody admits it or not) to have someone say your gear "isnt good enough", I would say eff em too. Then again, the Co. I work for isnt going to "lend" an ATM for a free trial to a bank that has no intentions of purchasing said equipmemt in the future.

I actually think my gear is pretty good and I still wouldn't ask because I have no intention, nor the money to buy the cables. I guess what I don;t get is why people here with very inexpensive rigs feel entitled to have a company send them thousands of dollars worth of cable(s) for nothing.

Again, I wouldn't even ask since I can't and don't choose to afford it.

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concealer404

I may apply one day. One day, when the cables being offered on loan don't cost more than all of my cars. Combined. One day, when the cables being offered don't cost more than my entire two channel setup. 6x-45x over.

Until then, i know that cables make a difference, and i'd be confident that these MIT cables would sound AWESOME, but i'm sure my rig wouldn't do them justice.

Besides... Scarlet Vipers are the ****.

heiney9

Knucklehead wrote: »

Then again, the Co. I work for isnt going to "lend" an ATM for a free trial to a bank that has no intentions of purchasing said equipmemt in the future.

The difference is the bank has the means to buy it if they chose to. And I'd say the same thing..........shame on the bank for taking advantage of the ATM company if they have absolutely no intention of buying the equipment.

Does no one see anything wrong with the ethical implications here?

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Knucklehead

heiney9 wrote: »

I actually think my gear is pretty good and I still wouldn't ask because I have no intention, nor the money to buy the cables. I guess what I don;t get is why people here with very inexpensive rigs feel entitled to have a company send them thousands of dollars worth of cable(s) for nothing.

Again, I wouldn't even ask since I can't and don't choose to afford it.

H9

Well my rig is about as basic as you get. Im sure those cables wouldnt do anything more than what my Rat shack top o the line cables are doing.....wouldnt waste my time asking, could never afford it anyway.

comfortablycurt

Don't take me wrong...I'm not completely dismissing them. That's just the way things seem to me mentally, having not done any comparisons with them yet. I'll always reserve my judgment until I actually hear them...but from a technical standpoint, it seems like it would have to alter the signal in some way, since the signal is running through it.

The DBS system, on the other hand, doesn't actually have a signal running through it. The DBS is simply used to keep a constant charge on the cable, so in a sense, the DBS is running through the signal, rather than vice-versa. There again though...I haven't heard the DBS cables, so I have no idea how they sound. I definitely intend to check them out sometime down the line though.


And yes...I really need to get up there and check out your rig. I may be running to Rockford sometime in the next couple weeks to deliver/meet halfway for my RTi6's, or for the CSi5, depending on how that works out. Maybe I can stop by when I do that. We'll see how it all pans out.

I'd really love to get my ears on the Dared/Aleph/1C's combo.:cool:

Midnite Mick

Actually, I think it would be bad business to let those that do not have a system that is up to the level of the product to try their elite cables. If the demoer does not notice a significant difference in what they hear because the system was not up to revealing differences it could shed a bad light on their product....especially in this day of internet and message boards. The last thing they would want someone to do is bash their product online when their product wasn't given a fair chance.

Regards,
Mike

Zeros

I think if it fair to compare this MIT cable lending library to the Polk Tsi500 demo. My guess is that there is someone on that demo list who might not be able to afford the Tsi500's at this time. That does not mean they should not be given the opportunity to demo them in my opinion.

pearsall001

I like what MIT is doing in sharing their cables on the forum. I just think that they would have been better served if they offered cables that best suited the members here. I doubt very seriously that anyone here would drop that kind of money on cables...I might be wrong though, maybe a few (very few). But the overwhelming majority here would love to get their hands on a more affordably cable for a demo...one that they might actually be able to buy or at least set their sights on one after hearing it in their system. To tell folks that their system just isn't up to snuff for their cables is a bit snooty. It might be true but none the less it does turn people off & could leave a sour taste in their mouth for the company as a whole. Not the best for PR.

Zeros

Midnite Mick wrote: »

Actually, I think it would be bad business to let those that do not have a system that is up to the level of the product to try their elite cables. If the demoer does not notice a significant difference in what they hear because the system was not up to revealing differences it could shed a bad light on their product....especially in this day of internet and message boards. The last thing they would want someone to do is bash their product online when their product wasn't given a fair chance.

Regards,
Mike

This is true. I hadn't thought about that side of the argument. Good point.

Knucklehead

Midnite Mick wrote: »

Actually, I think it would be bad business to let those that do not have a system that is up to the level of the product to try their elite cables. If the demoer does not notice a significant difference in what they hear because the system was not up to revealing differences it could shed a bad light on their product....especially in this day of internet and message boards. The last thing they would want someone to do is bash their product online when their product wasn't given a fair chance.

Regards,
Mike

very good point

heiney9

pearsall001 wrote: »

I like what MIT is doing in sharing their cables on the forum. I just think that they would have been better served if they offered cables that best suited the members here.

I agree, and that's probably why Gavin has never posted the "Lending Library" here..........atleast for the porducts mentioned in this thread. I found it at their site and didn;t fully comprehend what they were doing before I posted the link. Had I known this particular Lending Library was really aimed at higher end patrons I wouldn't have even mentioned it.

It seems some have strong animosity to the way they are running it. Because, all those who feel slighted have run a company before..............and a high end cable company to boot and they know what's best ;):)

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Zeros

heiney9 wrote: »

I agree, and that's probably why Gavin has never posted the "Lending Library" here..........atleast for the porducts mentioned in this thread. I found it at their site and didn;t fully comprehend what they were doing before I posted the link. Had I known this particular Lending Library was really aimed at higher end patrons I wouldn't have even mentioned it.


H9

Why not? It has brought some entertainment and spirited debate to my boring day. I, for one, appreciate the post even if I don't agree with their practices.

heiney9 wrote: »

It seems some have strong animosity to the way they are running it. Because, all those who feel slighted have run a company before..............and a high end cable company to boot and they know what's best ;):)

H9

But this part is like a slap in the face to the other posters. You and I don't know who owns or runs what businesses. For all we know someone in this thread might run a high end cable company. I understand the sarcasm but is it really necessary?

comfortablycurt

heiney9 wrote: »

It seems some have strong animosity to the way they are running it. Because, all those who feel slighted have run a company before..............and a high end cable company to boot and they know what's best ;):)

H9

Apparently you've never heard of the ComfortablyCabling Co.

We go one up on MIT, and include TWO network boxes PER cable.:p

mini-me

heiney9 wrote: »

MIT's Tubes and Nelson Pass.

H9

That's just seems a little wrong.

heiney9

Zeros wrote: »

But this part is like a slap in the face to the other posters. You and I don't know who owns or runs what businesses. For all we know someone in this thread might run a high end cable company. I understand the sarcasm but is it really necessary?

Take it as sarcasm and I am a smartass in real life. I apologize if there is a high end cable owner in this thread. I have wronged you and I hope to make it up to you someday :sarcasm:

Sorry couldn't resist..........this is what happens when I drink Starbucks in the afternoon.............it's Zinger after Zinger after Zinger......

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Zeros

heiney9 wrote: »

Take it as sarcasm and I am a smartass in real life. I apologize if there is a high end cable owner in this thread. I have wronged you and I hope to make it up to you someday :sarcasm:

Sorry couldn't resist..........this is what happens when I drink Starbucks in the afternoon.............it's Zinger after Zinger after Zinger......

H9

You're right. I think I'm just tired, kinda like the polar opposite of you today.

BTW I work for Curt putting network boxes on his cables. He pays well but is like a slave driver. That's why I'm tired.

comfortablycurt

Zeros wrote: »

You're right. I think I'm just tired, kinda like the polar opposite of you today.

BTW I work for Curt putting network boxes on his cables. He pays well but is like a slave driver. That's why I'm tired.

Yes, I'm running out of unscathed skin to whip. I might need to give you a week off just so you don't die from being overworked...lol

hearingimpared

This has been a fun thread to read. I have a pretty good rig but would never even think of applying for those cables and even if I did and got shot down, I certainly understand their reasoning behind it and not take it personally.

I run my rig with ALL MITs and the Shotgun series that I use do my rig justice.

I really think some people need to grower thicker skin.

concealer404

hearingimpared wrote: »

I really think some people need to grower thicker skin.

I think YOU need to grow thicker skin!! MEANIE-FACE!!! :mad:

polkatese

I would not be in a position to even fathom the idea of spending that kind of money on this hobby. I have S3 on my second system, and in the best case scenario, I might upgrade to S1. But that's it, the proverbial end-of-the-road of my cables journey. Wait, unless I won lottery.

hearingimpared

concealer404 wrote: »

I think YOU need to grow thicker skin!! MEANIE-FACE!!! :mad:

LMAO!!!:eek: