No excuse for cable naysayers

heiney9

http://www.mitcables.com/lendinglibrary.html

MIT offers a "lending" library so you can demo cables in you very own rig. Now there is absolutely no excuse for cable naysayers to use the excuse they can't afford to try different cables.

I have no problem with audiophiles who experiment with cables and don;t really hear a difference, but now those who think cables don;t matter have an opportunity to try some MIT's.

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concealer404

Just in case anybody cares, i approve of this thread.

Anyone who listens via looking at numbers with their eyes need not post in this thread. Kthx.

kevhed72

That....is awesome and actually a great "marketing" tool.
Try before you buy....

wutadumsn23

Yeah, Jesse posted a thread about this a month or so ago. I applied, but was turned down because my equipment isn't up to their standards, lol. They are auditioning some pretty pricey cables and I was told that I didn't qualify. Still a pretty good oppertunity if you have the right equipment.

-Jeff


Blurb from the E-mail I got from Gavin Fish

"As you are aware, at this time we have three specific products that we are lending out: one set of Oracle V1.3 Speaker Cables and Interconnects (valued at roughly $45,000), one set of Magnum M1.3 Speaker Cables and Interconnects (valued at roughly $14,000), and one set of Shotgun S1.3 Speaker Cables and Interconnects (valued at roughly $6,000). Because of this, we are trying to select participants whose systems would be most synergistic with these cables. Unfortunately, we feel that your system doesn’t quite fit that description."

thsmith

All I can say is that the S3 shotgun ICs and speaker cables have raised the level of my systems performance. They are quite sturdy and well made. On average I am pulling the cables and reinstalling them as I roll tubes, upgrade caps and roll equipment once a week.

I think this is a good move on Mits part. They should offer trials on lower costing cable to get people hooked and then they will try the more expensive cables down the road.

heiney9

wutadumsn23 wrote: »

Yeah, Jesse posted a thread about this a month or so ago. I applied, but was turned down because my equipment isn't up to their standards, lol. They are auditioning some pretty pricey cables and I was told that I didn't qualify. Still a pretty good oppertunity if you have the right equipment.

-Jeff


Blurb from the E-mail I got from Gavin Fish

"As you are aware, at this time we have three specific products that we are lending out: one set of Oracle V1.3 Speaker Cables and Interconnects (valued at roughly $45,000), one set of Magnum M1.3 Speaker Cables and Interconnects (valued at roughly $14,000), and one set of Shotgun S1.3 Speaker Cables and Interconnects (valued at roughly $6,000). Because of this, we are trying to select participants whose systems would be most synergistic with these cables. Unfortunately, we feel that your system doesn’t quite fit that description."

Ouch, didn't realize that. I suppose since they are selective because of the the cost of the merchandise. Still, it could be a great opportunity for someone looking to move into high end cables (yep I said it "high end"). I assumed they would be selective as to how they loaned stuff out.

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Zeros

wutadumsn23 wrote: »

Yeah, Jesse posted a thread about this a month or so ago. I applied, but was turned down because my equipment isn't up to their standards, lol. They are auditioning some pretty pricey cables and I was told that I didn't qualify. Still a pretty good oppertunity if you have the right equipment.

-Jeff


Blurb from the E-mail I got from Gavin Fish

"As you are aware, at this time we have three specific products that we are lending out: one set of Oracle V1.3 Speaker Cables and Interconnects (valued at roughly $45,000), one set of Magnum M1.3 Speaker Cables and Interconnects (valued at roughly $14,000), and one set of Shotgun S1.3 Speaker Cables and Interconnects (valued at roughly $6,000). Because of this, we are trying to select participants whose systems would be most synergistic with these cables. Unfortunately, we feel that your system doesn’t quite fit that description."

This looks like a good way to lose customers. What is the harm in you trying them? Best case scenario, you buy a set of their cables and they gain a customer. Worst case? You don't buy them.

wutadumsn23

He was very polite about it atleast in the rest of the E-mail and suggested I "buy" a set of cables from one of his dealers at a discount and return them before 30 days if I didn't like them. Just a heads up that most people probably won't get "approved"

-Jeff


Blurb from the same E-mail from Gavin Fish


"I am confident, however, that another MIT Cables product would fit your components with better synergy. Based on my research, the product line that would work best for you would be the EXp 1 Speaker Cables and Interconnects.



Because these cables are not included in our current Lending Library, I can’t let you borrow them in the traditional sense. But if you’d like, I can have an authorized dealer of ours sell them to you (at a reduced price) with a 30-day No Questions Asked Guarantee. That way, you can borrow them, try them out, and see if you like them. If not, just return them for a full refund. My dealer would simply request that you pay for return shipping."

heiney9

Zeros wrote: »

This looks like a good way to lose customers. What is the harm in you trying them? Best case scenario, you buy a set of their cables and they gain a customer. Worst case? You don't buy them.

I have a friend who works for a high end car dealership and they are very selective who gets to test drive a $100,000 car. I guess I should have investigated the lending library a little furthur. I think Gavin or Joe would more than willing to work with anyone who was seriously looking to try some MIT's.

I agree with Gavin, why would they send someone $6-45K worth of cables when their system isn;t up to it. It's called being realistic and the fact that anyone with Jeff's current system isn;t likely to spend $6-45K on cables for it.

Let's be realistic here and not just bash for the sake of bashing. Your statement is ludicris.

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Face

At least they aren't "up selling". Kudos to them.

wutadumsn23

I'm not bashing at all, like I said he was very polite and suggested another option for me to persue. I wasn't expecting to get approved, but what was the harm in trying.

-Jeff

Ricardo

They do have a lending program for one of their cheaper lines:

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79365&highlight=demo

heiney9

wutadumsn23 wrote: »

I'm not bashing at all, like I said he was very polite and suggested another option for me to persue. I wasn't expecting to get approved, but what was the harm in trying.

-Jeff

FWIW, I was talking about Zeros statement not yours . You should give MIT a 30d trial if you can and are really interested.

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wutadumsn23

That's cool H9, I figured you weren't talking to me, but just wanted to make sure you knew I wasn't trying to dismiss this offer from MIT. I am looking into the second offer, but don't have the money for the cables right now.

-Jeff

Zeros

heiney9 wrote: »

Let's be realistic here and not just bash for the sake of bashing. Your statement is ludicris.

H9

As a business wouldn't you take any opportunity to gain a customer? How does the "high end" car dealership know that the guy who just walked into the showroom in jeans and t-shirt is not a millionaire? It's the same idea. If you treat each of your customers with the same amount of respect you might be surprised.

I am not trying to bash MIT at all and really don't think my statement was "ludicrous." I am just stating my thoughts on how a business might want to operate.

heiney9

The car dealership has qualifiers, just like the MIT library does apparently. It's a fact of life not everyone can afford a $100K car or $45K speaker cables.

Please explain to me how MIT will gain a customer by allowing them to use $45K cables when said person hasn't even spent 5% of that on an entire system. In the end it's still a business for profit and at that level unfortuneatly there have to be qualifiers and those are set by the seller.

Plus, an alternative (a very good one) was offered, it wasn't just a simple "sorry you don't qualify"

Just like the car dealership.............they aren't going to hand the keys to just anyone who walks thru the door. There are salesmen who aren't qualified to drive the $100K car as well.

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TroyD

Zeros wrote: »

This looks like a good way to lose customers. What is the harm in you trying them? Best case scenario, you buy a set of their cables and they gain a customer. Worst case? You don't buy them.

Ok, if you have an entry level rig...what would be the point of lending you a set of $15K cables, that makes no sense at all.....and unlikely to generate a sale of said cables. There is probably a limited # of cables to be put out on loan so it would make sense to narrow it down to folks who are more likely in a position to buy those cables. No?

Buying a set with 30 day return policy is pretty much the same thing though...so I don't see the issue?

BDT

Zeros

It's fine. You are right an I am wrong. I'm sorry I stated my opinion. I was thinking in general about business practices, not in terms of MIT in perticular.

hearingimpared

My goodness what is this world coming to. A sensible fellow in a possible cable debate. Kudos Zeros!:)

TroyD

Zeros wrote: »

It's fine. You are right an I am wrong. I'm sorry I stated my opinion. I was thinking in general about business practices, not in terms of MIT in perticular.

No sweat man...we are just stating our opinions. If we all agreed it would be pretty boring, no?

Rock on!

BDT

cstmar01

Ricardo wrote: »

They do have a lending program for one of their cheaper lines:

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79365&highlight=demo

Ricardo,
can you still do this? I thought this was closed out otherwise I would have jumped on it awhile ago to try them out.

and I saw this a little while ago too, but then realized my gear wouldn't live up to what they would want due to the cost vs what I have lol. but it is a very cool idea and I love MIT stuff that I've had (right now using signal stuff) would like to try out some different IC's sometime from them.

polkatese

hearingimpared wrote: »

My goodness what is this world coming to. A sensible fellow in a possible cable debate. Kudos Zeros!:)

I was about to say that too, Joe..especially after trying to be helpful on the Power Cable thread.

This is how discussions about cable(s) should end. It is a sharing of opinions at its best. No winners nor losers. Everybody win.

mopar paul

I would highly recommend trying out different cables for sure as they can make quite a difference. I am a true skeptic on all cable discussions-it was only when I moved to better equiptment did I find my cables were lacking. I'm still really on the fence about power cables, but open minded. I can tell you for a fact that interconnects & speaker cables made a VERY significant difference in my system. Someday I may even try some MIT's but I'm real happy right now...

TroyD

Actually, I've found power cables to make the most difference....

BDT

mini-me

wutadumsn23 wrote: »

-Jeff


Blurb from the E-mail I got from Gavin Fish

"As you are aware, at this time we have three specific products that we are lending out: one set of Oracle V1.3 Speaker Cables and Interconnects (valued at roughly $45,000), one set of Magnum M1.3 Speaker Cables and Interconnects (valued at roughly $14,000), and one set of Shotgun S1.3 Speaker Cables and Interconnects (valued at roughly $6,000). Because of this, we are trying to select participants whose systems would be most synergistic with these cables. Unfortunately, we feel that your system doesn’t quite fit that description."

I think even mini gears can't be good enuff for them to lend me a set for demoing. I want to try Oracle V1.3!!!

BUT (a BIG BUTT) what if they let me demo Oracle V1.3 and I really like them but I can't afford to buy one anyway. I am feeling down just having that thought.

polkatese

TroyD wrote: »

Actually, I've found power cables to make the most difference....

BDT

Reported!

ok. I kid, Troy.

Where's faster100 when you need him?

jm1

I had applied to the Lending Library and received my "Dear John" letter to inform me I had been selected to borrow the one set of Magnum M1.3 Speaker Cables and Interconnects.

I had to make the decision to decline the gracious offer due to cross boarder shipping duties in addition to not planning on allocating this magnitude of funds to cables in the near future. Maybe one day I will contact a retailer and try some of the Shotgun series.

hearingimpared

jm1 wrote: »

I had applied to the Lending Library and received my "Dear John" letter to inform me I had been selected to borrow the one set of Magnum M1.3 Speaker Cables and Interconnects.

I had to make the decision to decline the gracious offer due to cross boarder shipping duties in addition to not planning on allocating this magnitude of funds to cables in the near future. Maybe one day I will contact a retailer and try some of the Shotgun series.

Joe Abrams on audiogon is the guy for the Shotgun series.

comfortablycurt

Zeros wrote: »

This looks like a good way to lose customers. What is the harm in you trying them? Best case scenario, you buy a set of their cables and they gain a customer. Worst case? You don't buy them.

That's basically what I thought. I applied, and was told that my gear wasn't good enough for their Holy Grail of cables...so I now basically have no desire to ever try an MIT product in my rig.

They can keep their fancy EQ Cables.

heiney9

comfortablycurt wrote: »

That's basically what I thought. I applied, and was told that my gear wasn't good enough for their Holy Grail of cables...so I now basically have no desire to ever try an MIT product in my rig.

They can keep their fancy EQ Cables.

That's ridiculous...................grow up. I didn't apply because I will never choose to spend $6-45K on cables. Are you saying you would spend $6-45K on cables? If that's the case, then maybe you do have a right to be a little peaved. If not, then grow up and consider something in your budget from MIT.

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heiney9

If you go to a restaurant and they will allow patrons to sample a $5K bottle of wine. You neither have the money nor the desire to spend that on a bottle of wine. They know that, by "qualifying" you, and they politely decline to have you sample the wine, you would then go off in a huff and boycott that restaurant forever just because of that?

You had no intent of purchasing the wine nor the money and it's their fault for not giving you the use of something very valuable for free?

H9