No excuse for cable naysayers

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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited February 2010
    gdb wrote: »
    "Yeah, I manage to do alright. We're basically the only company in a 40-50 mile radius that specializes in what we do. I also climb professionally, and specialize in inaccessible trees, where using a bucket truck isn't a possibility. We also have a bucket truck and all that though of course.

    The major drawback in this line of work, is that we come to basically a standstill this time of year. I've got a few jobs on the books right now, but I'm not really working for the most part.

    Feel free to shoot me any questions if you've got them. Cherry trees are very common around my neck of the woods, so I've got quite a bit of experience dealing with them in particular"


    I just about got run off the arboristsite forum because I questioned why I was quoted $1200.00-$1500.00 for dropping an 80-90foot tulip poplar over my springhouse and solicited the services of a "worker" to do it as a "side job" for a more reasonable/realistic price. I got all the standard blah blah blah about eqipment costs etc. I buy Stihl saws and I get Bailey's catalog so I know what gear costs, I also know that it does NOT need to be bought new for every job. Kinda hit a sore spot with some of those manly woodsmen and they started crying like girly men !! The only person I'm ever going to pay $300.00hr. is maybe an attorney and if I'm charged with something really bad !:D

    Was this job bid as leaving everything behind? If they were just being paid to drop the tree, and leave the cleanup, that sounds pretty high. If that was supposed to be cleanup included...sounds about right to me. But I don't work for peanuts. When I have customers trying to beat me up on prices, I just tell them I'm not interested in doing it for less than my bid. There are plenty of other companies around to spread the work out. When I show them my certification and credentials, usually they decide that paying an extra few hundred dollars is better than getting a tree through their roof due to hiring some hillbilly with a ladder and a chainsaw. Tree work isn't the kind of industry where you hire the cheapest guy. He's the cheapest guy for good reason...because his reputation requires him to be.

    Some people seem to think that tree work is a job that doesn't require skills...and that's really not the case. It's one of the most specifically skilled jobs out there.
    The nirvana inducer-
    APC H10 Power Conditioner
    Marantz UD5005 universal player
    Parasound Halo P5 preamp
    Parasound HCA-1200II power amp
    PolkAudio LSi9's/PolkAudio SDA 2A's/PolkAudio Monitor 7A's
    Audioquest Speaker Cables and IC's
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  • mdaudioguy
    mdaudioguy Posts: 5,165
    edited February 2010
    Hey, Curt, looking at your equipment list, what ICs are you using with what amp/speakers? What's your impression between the AQs and Signals? Those are two of the brands I'm considering. Thanks, Ed
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited February 2010
    mdaudioguy wrote: »
    Hey, Curt, looking at your equipment list, what ICs are you using with what amp/speakers? What's your impression between the AQs and Signals? Those are two of the brands I'm considering. Thanks, Ed

    I'm using the AQ Sidewinders from my Denon 2910's 2 channel output, to the pre, and to the amp.

    I'm using a Signal Digital cable from the 2910's digital output to the DAC, and some Signal Analog II's from the DAC to pre.

    The AQ Black Mamba's are from the phono pre to pre-amp.


    I haven't really done any direct comparison between the AQ's and the Signals...mainly because I have two pairs of Sidewinders, and only one pair of the Signals. I don't think that would really make for a fair comparison.

    Sometime soon I'll try hooking the Signals up in between the 2910 and the pre-amp.
    The nirvana inducer-
    APC H10 Power Conditioner
    Marantz UD5005 universal player
    Parasound Halo P5 preamp
    Parasound HCA-1200II power amp
    PolkAudio LSi9's/PolkAudio SDA 2A's/PolkAudio Monitor 7A's
    Audioquest Speaker Cables and IC's
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited February 2010
    Cables are BS.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • Erik Tracy
    Erik Tracy Posts: 4,673
    edited February 2010
    concealer404 wrote: »
    Your posts are not welcome in this thread. This is not a debate about whether or not they make a difference. There are plenty of threads for that purpose. This is not one of them.

    Someone let the AVS 'object'ivists in.

    Shame that....none seem really interested in personal experimentation and observation - mostly 'link lemmings' all snuggly warm in asserting that everything sounds the same.

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited February 2010
    heiney9 wrote: »
    http://www.mitcables.com/lendinglibrary.html

    MIT offers a "lending" library so you can demo cables in you very own rig.

    I checked their offer and the first thing that came to mind:

    They put you through a veritable mine field. Unfortunately those that DIY speakers will never get a trial pair:rolleyes: I saw it for what it was: A weeding out process.

    I would think that simply putting a hold on someone's credit card would be enough...

    It's nice to see they check your 'pedigree' at the door. I guess you could always lie and list Levinson/B&W/Cary as your setup. I assume they will respond to that with a request that you email them pics of your setup.
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited February 2010
    TroyD wrote: »
    Ok, if you have an entry level rig...what would be the point of lending you a set of $15K cables, that makes no sense at all.....and unlikely to generate a sale of said cables.
    BDT

    I dunno, 500 people with a $7-10K system that couldn't/wouldn't spend $$ on MIT but out there in boards like this saying the cables make a vast improvement?
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  • mdaudioguy
    mdaudioguy Posts: 5,165
    edited February 2010
    mdaudioguy wrote: »
    Here's what seems to be a more viable option for trying out all kinds of cables: http://www.thecableco.com/faq.php#library Although there's a non-refundable deposit required, they will apply that amount toward your purchase. Has anyone done business with The Cable Company? Impressions?
    My God, you all get sidetracked easily...:rolleyes: I'm quoting myself to see what y'all think of this offer - surely a bit more accessible than MIT's to us common folk, huh? Anybody tried it or even familiar with this company?

    From their FAQ - "Our Library includes about 2500 different cables including interconnects, speaker, power, and video cables from all of the 60+ manufacturers that we handle as authorized dealers." This seems like quite an offer.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,842
    edited February 2010
    jinjuku wrote: »
    I saw it for what it was: A weeding out process.

    Millisecond of genius.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,842
    edited February 2010
    Anybody tried it or even familiar with this company?

    I know some folks that have used their service with no problems.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,279
    edited February 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    Millisecond of genius.
    Hehe. :D
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,842
    edited February 2010
    jinjuku wrote: »
    I dunno, 500 people with a $7-10K system that couldn't/wouldn't spend $$ on MIT but out there in boards like this saying the cables make a vast improvement?

    Stop trolling, it's not welcome here.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited February 2010
    jinjuku wrote: »
    I dunno, 500 people with a $7-10K system that couldn't/wouldn't spend $$ on MIT but out there in boards like this saying the cables make a vast improvement?

    What exactly are you trying to say, then?
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited February 2010
    Midnite Mick wrote: »
    Actually, I think it would be bad business to let those that do not have a system that is up to the level of the product to try their elite cables. If the demoer does not notice a significant difference in what they hear because the system was not up to revealing differences it could shed a bad light on their product...

    Regards,
    Mike

    That argument seems circular.

    So MIT cables can only make an expensive system even more 'revealing'. I mean you already have an expensive system, the best of amps, speakers, pre-amps and good IC's. The MIT's can only make a pair of $50k speakers sound better, but not a set of $5K speakers?
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  • Conradicles
    Conradicles Posts: 6,143
    edited February 2010
    Funny how jinjuku comes out...
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited February 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    Millisecond of genius.

    It's more time at genius than you'll ever get to experience.
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited February 2010
    concealer404 wrote: »
    What exactly are you trying to say, then?

    Uh, 100's of people talking about how a product improved their system. Even though they might not be able to afford it...

    Read English?
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited February 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    Stop trolling, it's not welcome here.

    Report the post then... The point is valid: Drum up excitement and 100's of people talking about how great a job the MIT product did even for their 'mediocre' $10k system at all the different enthusiast boards.

    That would absolutely shut up all the cable naysayers.
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,794
    edited February 2010
    I just pooped a juku log......
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited February 2010
    Conradicles wrote: »
    Funny how jinjuku comes out...

    Funny how you can only rely on Ad hominem attacks.
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited February 2010
    lightman1 wrote: »
    I just pooped a juku log......

    What, can't you post anything with real merit?
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,842
    edited February 2010
    jinjuku wrote: »
    It's more time at genius than you'll ever get to experience.

    You're right, I skipped right past genius as I ascended.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,842
    edited February 2010
    jinjuku wrote: »
    I can't post anything with real merit.

    Finally, he speaks the truth.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,794
    edited February 2010
    jinjuku wrote: »
    What, can't you post anything with real merit?
    Why? You wouldn't listen any way.
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited February 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    Finally, he speaks the truth.

    When you try to be witty with the weak come-backs, well it's time to stop trying and just make a valid point.

    So the MIT cables can only make a difference on expensive systems? It's like the character in Mystery Men who is only invisible when no one is looking.

    They wouldn't make something like the Zaph ZRT 2.5's any better? Do the physics involved with the MIT product only work with really expensive setups?
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited February 2010
    lightman1 wrote: »
    Why? You wouldn't listen any way.

    Hey, if MIT wants to take my CC and put a credit hold for $20K and let me test out a pair of their cables, I will listen. Does anyone know if I can call up any of their distributors and get something from their line up and try them with zero obligations (outside of shipping?). That is without having to get Papal dispensation from MIT to the distributor first.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,279
    edited February 2010
    jinjuku wrote: »
    Does anyone know if I can call up any of their distributors and get something from their line up and try them with zero obligations (outside of shipping?). That is without having to get Papal dispensation from MIT to the distributor first.
    No one is that stupid.
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • Lord Vader
    Lord Vader Posts: 167
    edited February 2010
    Lightman1... You have grown strong in the DARK-SIDE! I command you to round up all the useless TROLLs in this thread PERSONALLY.

    You will bring them before ME so that I may deal with them MYSELF.

    DO not FAIL me AGAIN!:mad:

    The OP was kind enough to offer his personal cable for others to try. In my book, it's time for the NAYSAYERS to step up to the plate and take a swing. If you fail to hear a difference after trying it, great. If you decide not to try it when it's out there for free to do so, then STFU.

    This is an awesome display of kindness, generosity, and support being shown by an outstanding member of this community. Respect him and his thread. Nonbelievers... Go trashtalk somewhere else.
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,794
    edited February 2010
    Your wish is my command, Lord Vader.


    What's the difference between juku and spoiled 5 year old?
    A spoiled 5 year old eventually realises it's wrong after all the hissy-fits.

    Hey! I'll be here all week! Try the veal!!
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited February 2010
    All it takes are few good questions to shut you guys up and put you in to Ad-hom attack mode. If I didn't know better I would swear there is an unpublished script that is followed here.

    Clueless, classless, priceless.

    Grow up and try out some other audio enthusiast boards.
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