Roger Russell FOS or legit?

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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited January 2010
    I've had this theory for a long time that cable naysayers are probably liberals who are afraid someone might try to defraud them. I vote windbag anyway.
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited January 2010
    madmax wrote: »
    I've had this theory for a long time that cable naysayers are probably liberals who are afraid someone might try to defraud them. I vote windbag anyway.
    madmax

    I don't know. Seems they would be more willing to try stuff. I'm thinking it may not be related to being liberal. I know I basically have a conservative approach to life in general, but love to buy/test/test/test/sell audio gear. :)
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  • BlueFox
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    edited January 2010
    madmax wrote: »
    I've had this theory for a long time that cable naysayers are probably liberals who are afraid someone might try to defraud them. I vote windbag anyway.
    madmax


    You must be related to xcapri.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,394
    edited January 2010
    madmax wrote: »
    I've had this theory for a long time that cable naysayers are probably liberals who are afraid someone might try to defraud them. I vote windbag anyway.
    madmax

    i don't know how politics enters into this, but from my experience, the Liberals I know all tend to be very closed minded while Conservatives tend to be more open to other points of view.
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited January 2010
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    i don't know how politics enters into this, but from my experience, the Liberals I know all tend to be very closed minded while Conservatives tend to be more open to other points of view.

    Roger Russell sure is a master of playing both sides though, with the strong statements that wires don't matter and then the hype that he uses Cardas his monstrosity speakers. That disingenuous playing of both sides, well . . . . it does seem to be a bit like politics. :D
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited January 2010
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    i don't know how politics enters into this, but from my experience, the Liberals I know all tend to be very closed minded while Conservatives tend to be more open to other points of view.

    Yikes!! :eek:

    This reminds me of the Bizarro world from Superman comics where everything is opposite. :rolleyes:
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  • vc69
    vc69 Posts: 2,500
    edited January 2010
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    i don't know how politics enters into this, but from my experience, the Liberals I know all tend to be very closed minded while Conservatives tend to be more open to other points of view.


    Zowee John! That right there is a mouthful my friend!:D
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited January 2010
    John is from his own planet, and obviously so is Xjunker79.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,394
    edited January 2010
    I may have my own world but I actually agree with the cable lovers here, and I am a conservative. Go figure....
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited January 2010
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    i don't know how politics enters into this, but from my experience, the Liberals I know all tend to be very closed minded while Conservatives tend to be more open to other points of view.

    Yeah, that has been my experience too.

    Hey, this is a cable conversation, even politics can't get worse than that. :D
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited January 2010
    BlueFox wrote: »
    You must be related to xcapri.

    How so? :confused:
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,499
    edited January 2010
    You must be related to xcapri.

    Not possible, MM has tried lots of different cables.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,004
    edited January 2010
    That, and he's intelligent enough to absorb and comprehend what he reads and listens too.

    Oh dear, did I just say that? :eek:
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,004
    edited January 2010
    Damn, give it up already. Try a free speaker cable or shut the f@#k up.
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  • snow
    snow Posts: 4,337
    edited January 2010
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    There is plenty of support for Roger Russell's position on speaker cables.



    http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/cables/speaker-cable-reviews-faceoff-2/speaker-cable-reviews-faceoff-2-page-6
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,499
    edited January 2010
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    There is plenty of support for Roger Russell's position on speaker cables.

    Not here there isn't because a large number of us have actually tried different cables....something you have never done, which makes you and your opinions null and void.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,004
    edited January 2010
    Dude, have you even read this thread or are you just talking to yourself?

    Never mind. Don't answer that. I know the answer.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,499
    edited January 2010
    inspiredsports wrote: »
    I wish there was a way to view the number of total number of posts behind those who voted "windbag" versus the total number of posts behind those who voted "genius".

    I'll bet it would skew the results to about 99% windbag.

    I'm guessing based upon the way it's been playing out, TROLLS / ACORN are registering accounts with 1 post and voting genius.

    Ding, ding, ding.....we have a winner!!!
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited January 2010
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    i don't know how politics enters into this, but from my experience, the Liberals I know all tend to be very closed minded while Conservatives tend to be more open to other points of view.

    ROTFLMAO.

    Good thing I came back to check this thread again, it was a long day and I sure welcomed that laugh!
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2010
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    There is plenty of support for Roger Russell's position on speaker cables.



    http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/cables/speaker-cable-reviews-faceoff-2/speaker-cable-reviews-faceoff-2-page-6
    treitz3 wrote: »
    Damn, give it up already. Try a free speaker cable or shut the **** up.

    What I'd like Mr. xcapri to do is explain how you measure soundstage width & depth, imaging, inner detail, decay et. al.?
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,499
    edited January 2010
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    What I'd like Mr. xcapri to do is explain how you measure soundstage width & depth, imaging, inner detail, decay et. al.?

    Come on Joe, do you truely believe he knows what those things are!?!
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2010
    Maybe he'll email his mentor Rodger Russell and post his reply here.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2010
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    There is plenty of support for Roger Russell's position on speaker cables.



    http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/cables/speaker-cable-reviews-faceoff-2/speaker-cable-reviews-faceoff-2-page-6

    :rolleyes::rolleyes: No bias on that website!:rolleyes::rolleyes:
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  • halo71
    halo71 Posts: 4,602
    edited January 2010
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    What I'd like Mr. xcapri to do is explain how you measure soundstage width & depth, imaging, inner detail, decay et. al.?

    Why ask him? You know, all he is going to do is post quotes and links he has found on the net.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2010
    halo71 wrote: »
    Why ask him? You know, all he is going to do is post quotes and links he has found on the net.

    That's what I am hoping for as you never see the genius naysayers talk about those considerations.
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited January 2010
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    What I'd like Mr. xcapri to do is explain how you measure soundstage width & depth, imaging, inner detail, decay et. al.?
    halo71 wrote: »
    Why ask him? You know, all he is going to do is post quotes and links he has found on the net.
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    That's what I am hoping for as you never see the genius naysayers talk about those considerations.

    That's the biggest problem with those who are unwilling to learn.

    They don't know what they don't know, and are too closed minded to even recognize that it's possible they don't know what they don't know!
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited January 2010
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    What I'd like Mr. xcapri to do is explain how you measure soundstage width & depth, imaging, inner detail, decay et. al.?
    I already have, he ignored it.
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  • vmaxer
    vmaxer Posts: 5,117
    edited January 2010
    Someone here made a statement that a system is no better than it's weakest link......Maybe the owner/listener is the weakest link in some cases.

    Just a thought:cool:
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited January 2010
    vmaxer wrote: »
    Someone here made a statement that a system is no better than it's weakest link......Maybe the owner/listener is the weakest link in some cases.

    Just a thought:cool:

    I love it! :D
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  • Knucklehead
    Knucklehead Posts: 3,602
    edited January 2010
    Ill be the first to admit, Im the weakest link in my system. What sounds good to me may sound like crap to an audiophile. I cant afford big name cables at this point but I can say that upgrading from crappy spearker wire to 14ga monoprice made a huge difference for me. Right now its Rat Shack's top o the line IC's until I can afford better.
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