Patrick, forum needs respect.

danger boy

jdhdiggs wrote: »

Naw, I'm not participating, just drunk...

I'll drink to that.


bottom line is we all need to drink more and think less in here.

I don't come in here as often as I used to.. despite my nearly 14,000 posts.

so I don't let **** hats bother me much or get under my skin anymore.. so if the forum has an occasional whack-o lose running around. well that's ok too.

Ricardo

Someone was banned and it was the right thing to do.

Now, several points have been made on this thread, and I would like to share my opinion.

1.-Ignore.

I am done ignoring. Ignoring means I don't care, and I do care. I think Mcleod's post says it best. If I ignore, this forum will end being just one more of many others. I don't want this, so I choose not to ignore. (And I don't mean the occasional button to ignore someone because you just dislike him/her, or find his/her posts boring or stupid.)

2.-Rules.

Rules are needed. With no rules, the game gets out of hand. Rules must be enforced. There are a couple of rules in particular that are being stepped on every day:

7) Be respectful of new members. If it was only you and me on this forum, we'd have no fun and the whole industry would collapse.

8) Trolling - members who make a conscious effort to inflame or irritate others will be removed.

If we can bring these rules back to a normal compliance, this place would be a better place. I don't mean someone needs to police every post in every thread. Just a couple interventions will set them straight.

Thanks for listening.

I choose NOT to ignore.

hearingimpared

I agree.

Ricardo

nooshinjohn wrote: »

I gotta agree with Snow on this one. You may feel you have a valid point to make, but even I would not want to take that kind of shot. Just relax a bit and enjoy the club. Welcome to CP

I disagree. I think this is a perfect example of not follwing rule number 7:

Lord Vader wrote: »

moderation is not the answer. I am new here so I really don't have a dog in this fight, but I believe the best post so far was the one showing the rules. We need to follow them, simple as that. The mods should perhaps do a better job of enforcement, but we certainly do not need more of them. So far however I see nothing that horrible in the first place or I would not have wasted my time joining. just my 2c...

Nothing wrong with this post. His opinion and valid if you ask me.

snow wrote: »

How it is possible in your 3 days here to know what this forum or doesnt need is beyond me. I am absolutley astonished at the gall that you have shown, to assume to know what this forum does or doesnt need in this time period is ludicrous.



REGARDS SNOW

Snow's response. Not offensive, but way too challenging and asking for trouble.

Lord Vader wrote: »

I have been watching and reading for months. What I have done is simply point to the rules that were posted in this thread. It is you that are not following them now by finding fault with my post and making it personal in open forum. If you have a beef take it private where it belongs.

This was a great response by Vader. Did not react insulting Snow back. A pretty mature approach.

snow wrote: »

Now we cant even disagree with someone without breaking the rules? That and you are a joke go back to whatever hole you came from.



REGARDS SNOW

This one is a clear attack.


Just saying.

shawn474

While I agree with a lot of what's posted and the concerns raised by the members, I have one question.

Do we really think that speakertweeker's ban was a result of all these threads and posts? It seems that many might think that the reason he was banned was because we all asked for Club Plok to take a stand and start enforcing the rules. Could be a case of be careful what you wish for.....

Methinks the ban was coming long before the threads were written and the "call to action" was placed. I just think we are setting a dangerous precedent if we are to think that every time someone breaks the rules or has a controversial viewpoint that we can petition to have them banned.

Just my .02.

heiney9

I was going to stay out of this but I think it's time to do away with Tags. They are rarely, and I mean rarely, used as intended. The crap that is posted in a tag is more inflammatory than the actual threads many times.

I myself have posted (2) derogatory tags since we've had that option as it just doesn't get me off like it does others. I get and tired of reading them. I admit some of them are damn funny but tags were supposed to be used to search easier and that's just not happening. It's sad so many people are so childish to use the "faceless" tag to further harass. In the "good" threads I rarely see tags used.

That's my .02c

H9

dorokusai

Ricardo - Why not include F1Nut's reply? Just saying, since it was in the chain of discussion.

This place won't change, it's already passed that point. Good luck.

Ricardo

You are right Mark. Jesse's reply was also out of line.

Not sure if it's already passed the point of no return. Time will tell.

treitz3

Thank you sir.

Ricardo

Patrick, couldn't agree more with your comment. We don't need a permanent policing, but we certainly need a few interventions. It is either that, or we just let everything go to hell.

snow

Ricardo wrote: »

I disagree. I think this is a perfect example of not follwing rule number 7:



Nothing wrong with this post. His opinion and valid if you ask me.



Snow's response. Not offensive, but way too challenging and asking for trouble.



This was a great response by Vader. Did not react insulting Snow back. A pretty mature approach.



This one is a clear attack.


Just saying.

Wow is all I can say. Someone comes in here that has been here all of 3 days max and states that he knows what is best for this forum? Cmon that is ludicrous and as far as I am concerned disrespectful. He then states that I am breaking the rules by disagreeing with him, give me a break of course I am not going to be kind in my response back. I am almost always kind and respectful to newcomers but if I have to watch everything I say then ban my happy as* because this place sucks.

And as far as pointing the finger goes Mark take a close look at what you have written in this thread before you go accusing me or Jesse either one of being rude or insensitive.



REGARDS SNOW

dkg999

At this point I usually put my kids in the get-along corner and make them hug and sing "can you feel the love tonight" from the Lion King until they can play nice with each other.

Knucklehead

Im not seeing what Lord Vader said that was disrespectful, this is an open forum for anybody that follows the rules...right? I dont think he broke any rules by stating his opinion. This is the problem that SOME of the newbs have had including myself at some point, we ask a question or state an opinion and we get shot down right away verbally, and i think that a lot of the "seasoned" members have had a lot of complaints on them. If someone wether it be a newbie or whatever breaks a rule (mostly being rude) report it. I have apologized for my behavior in the past, i know at some point I could have been banned but luckily I wasnt due to the fact that I was defending myself verbally.

shack

Ricardo wrote:

Now, several points have been made on this thread, and I would like to share my opinion.

1.-Ignore.

I am done ignoring. Ignoring means I don't care, and I do care. I think Mcleod's post says it best. If I ignore, this forum will end being just one more of many others. I don't want this, so I choose not to ignore. (And I don't mean the occasional button to ignore someone because you just dislike him/her, or find his/her posts boring or stupid.)

I choose NOT to ignore.

As I have stated on more than one occasion, my ignore list is quite long. Once someone has demonstrated to my satisfaction that whatever they say is of no interest to me, because they are a(n) _________ poster (fill in the blank for whatever adjective you feel may apply), then I don't want to waste my time reading ANYTHING they have to say...much less respond to any of it.

It is interesting that most of those I put on ignore no longer frequent this forum...and that IMO is a very good thing. Not that I am that good of a judge of character...maybe I'm just typical of a lot of the folks that have been here a long time who refuse to put up with some of the crap that pops up from time to time...and decide to ignore it...and it goes away.

It works for me.

steveinaz

Absolutely Shack. How much of a troll can you be if no one is responding to you?

George Grand

God made the Ignore List capability for a reason. Around here, that reason is so I can have a blast putting names on it.

snow

Knucklehead wrote: »

Im not seeing what Lord Vader said that was disrespectful, this is an open forum for anybody that follows the rules...right? I dont think he broke any rules by stating his opinion. This is the problem that SOME of the newbs have had including myself at some point, we ask a question or state an opinion and we get shot down right away verbally, and i think that a lot of the "seasoned" members have had a lot of complaints on them. If someone wether it be a newbie or whatever breaks a rule (mostly being rude) report it. I have apologized for my behavior in the past, i know at some point I could have been banned but luckily I wasnt due to the fact that I was defending myself verbally.

I never said he broke any rules by stating what he did. If I came to your local hangout and having had been there all of 3 days maximum told you what was best and how it should be done after you and others had been a part of it for years I am pretty sure you would think it was disrespectful also. I would want to participate and be a part of for a while before I presumed to know whats best, that is being respectful. Now I may have been a liitle harsh in my replys but frankly it struck a nerve with me. If you and others cant see this then I give up trying to show it to you. I have nothing against newbys and as a general rule feel there oppinions and input are as valuable as anyones but in this case no. Look at my past history as far as newbys go and you will see I am not part of the problem you mentioned. We have a 60k plus membership and less than 2k active members this is the lowest % of active membership I have ever seen of any forum anywhere there are reasons for this. There needs to be some big changes if it is going to change, one being IMHO we need more mods, it isnt easy to run a forum of this size adequatley with two mods and one admin. If we had mods that took care of one or two corners it would be far easier to keep control. For example Jesse in vintage speakers he is very knowledgeable and obviously has a passion for this, the same with Macleod in car audio.



REGARDS SNOW

amulford

I don't see the problem? I get a kick out of the entertainment value of these suppositories... WTH, it breaks up the monotony of the day!

Knucklehead

snow wrote: »

I never said he broke any rules by stating what he did. If I came to your local hangout and having had been there all of 3 days maximum told you what was best and how it should be done after you and others had been a part of it for years I am pretty sure you would think it was disrespectful also. I would want to participate and be a part of for a while before I presumed to know whats best, that is being respectful. Now I may have been a liitle harsh in my replys but frankly it struck a nerve with me. If you and others cant see this then I give up trying to show it to you. I have nothing against newbys and as a general rule feel there oppinions and input are as valuable as anyones but in this case no. Look at my past history as far as newbys go and you will see I am not part of the problem you mentioned. We have a 60k plus membership and less than 2k active members this is the lowest % of active membership I have ever seen of any forum anywhere there are reasons for this. There needs to be some big changes if it is going to change, one being IMHO we need more mods, it isnt easy to run a forum of this size adequatley with two mods and one admin. If we had mods that took care of one or two corners it would be far easier to keep control. For example Jesse in vintage speakers he is very knowledgeable and obviously has a passion for this, the same with Macleod in car audio.



REGARDS SNOW

I understand what your saying, and if this was a private forum where someone was voted in they may be expected to sit back and shut-up, but being an open forum, you just get what you get.
I have admitted it before and ill say it again, 99% of the people on here know more about audio than I do, but I would hope that my opinions be respected, after all this is what the forums are all about....no?

megasat16

Patrick C wrote: »

Guys, speakertweekar has been banned. The truth is almost everyone here has violated the rules and could have been banned at some point for something they may have said so deciding to ban people is sometimes a tough decision. I agree there needs to be more moderation and we are working on that so stay tuned.

While more moderation sounds great, but over moderation would make this place like living in the Mojave Desert!

If you have to ban everyone for breaking the rules, no one would left here at the end of the Day!

Face

I moderate a few message boards and IMO, the only problem here is trolling. A steep warning from a moderator/admin is probably all that's needed. Then if it continues, then a ban or two will get the point across.

Otherwise, there's no need for additional moderation here. Be careful what you wish for.

Lord Vader

snow wrote: »

Wow is all I can say. Someone comes in here that has been here all of 3 days max and states that he knows what is best for this forum? Cmon that is ludicrous and as far as I am concerned disrespectful. He then states that I am breaking the rules by disagreeing with him, give me a break of course I am not going to be kind in my response back. I am almost always kind and respectful to newcomers but if I have to watch everything I say then ban my happy as* because this place sucks.

And as far as pointing the finger goes Mark take a close look at what you have written in this thread before you go accusing me or Jesse either one of being rude or insensitive.



REGARDS SNOW

Three hours... three days... three months... three years, it matters not to ME. I have stated what should be common sense for anyone whether newb or long timer. If it is more moderation you want so be it, but that is a dark path that will forever dominate your destiny... I believe what I posted was honest and fair. It did not target you or anyone else and served a vaild purpose in this discussion. Just because I have only been here a short time as an active participant does not mean I should not be able to freely discuss an issue of such relevance to the community.

reeltrouble1

don't ban me bro
don't make me go
to the club polkie lockup
for seven in a row

Everybody go watch two episodes of My Name is Earl.

RT1--Did I ever mention to you guys Tubes Rule????

F1nut

dorokusai wrote: »

Ricardo - Why not include F1Nut's reply? Just saying, since it was in the chain of discussion.

Funny coming from the king of rude.

It was probably addressed by the folks that you think don't visit or participate enough, huh?

It is obvious and if a veteran, for example, isn't capable of handling an internet user forum, take a hike. There's a whole bunch of cool forums they could get upset in just like this one.

You think you know more than you do and as far as newbies go....you're as much of a newbie to me as the next guy. Whatever, carry on, fly into a blind rage, kick a dog or punch your children....

The Polk Audio documented knowledge base is more solidified in this forum than its ever been historically. Since that's happened I don't find why veteran members are that big of a deal. I guess newer members lose out a bit butI don't think about that much.

My suggestion for whatever it's worth. Get a handle on the trolls and back up the veterans instead of undermining them. I'm just saying.

Lord Vader

F1nut wrote: »

Funny coming from the king of rude.



My suggestion for whatever it's worth. Get a handle on the trolls and back up the veterans instead of undermining them. I'm just saying.

I hve witnessed veterans as guilty of trolling as any newb F1nut. If you want to eliminate the problem you must be the solution. This is addressed to nobody in particular, but how much of a troll could a certain individual be if they were not been baited by the master trolls that go around bashing anyone that does not share their views. Educate with respect not dominate with force of will.

George Grand

I read this too soon after eating lunch.

dorokusai

F1nut wrote: »

Funny coming from the king of rude.



My suggestion for whatever it's worth. Get a handle on the trolls and back up the veterans instead of undermining them. I'm just saying.

If you only knew what I do for you.....I think I'll not worry about that stuff anymore as well.

snow

Lord Vader wrote: »

Three hours... three days... three months... three years, it matters not to ME. I have stated what should be common sense for anyone whether newb or long timer. If it is more moderation you want so be it, but that is a dark path that will forever dominate your destiny... I believe what I posted was honest and fair. It did not target you or anyone else and served a vaild purpose in this discussion. Just because I have only been here a short time as an active participant does not mean I should not be able to freely discuss an issue of such relevance to the community.

What you and others dont seem to understand is that I am not talking about more or different moderation here but more moderators so things can be responded too faster, and yes you can say whatever your little heart desires but to come in here and tell the forum that we dont need more moderators is as I stated earlier IMHO rude. Stick around a while be a part of then make suggestions is my thoughts. Knucklehead had some very valid points and has decided to be a part of this community even though he has only been here a little while. It is not so much what you said that irked me it is your general tone even now. "It should be common sense"



REGARDS SNOW

zombie boy 2000

Seriously... a rainbow crappin' koala would do miracles for this thread. Who needs this sort of garbage? If ever Carl needed to unleash the Kraken and put some jokers in check, this would be it.

It appears we've gone from Code Red to Dr Phil sniffing at the gates. Get a grip amigos/as. Last I checked the sky is not falling. And it certainly isn't falling on Club Polk.

And as for Doro... give the man his props. He's one of the few reasons I still peek in from time to time.

Ricardo

Lord Vader wrote: »

I hve witnessed veterans as guilty of trolling as any newb F1nut. If you want to eliminate the problem you must be the solution. This is addressed to nobody in particular, but how much of a troll could a certain individual be if they were not been baited by the master trolls that go around bashing anyone that does not share their views. Educate with respect not dominate with force of will.

Though I somewhat agree with your statement, the 80/20 of trolls have been people that seem to come here specifically to create antagonism. There is some pack mentality that I have to say is good up to a point, but needs to be smoothed down.