Anybody else read this review?
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concealer404 wrote: »But how do you know which cables are transparent? You don't.
Silly wabbit, just hold them up to the light.
In all fairness I have to say I totally believe the speaker is the best upgrade one can make but I'm not willing to argue about it because it is an opinion with a given set of circumstances, not a fact.
madmaxVinyl, the final frontier...
Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want...
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Speakers are at the top of my list aswell and I would rank the listening room up there also as a very influental and important component.
In all fairness I have to say I totally believe the speaker is the best upgrade one can make but I'm not willing to argue about it because it is an opinion with a given set of circumstances, not a fact.Testing
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6 moons has been a bit more accurate in their reviews than most. They do tend to "romanticize" many of the products they review and get a tad artsy fartsy sometimes with long winded descriptions, but if you look at the overall review and the conclusions they are pretty close most of the time; not always and not perfect, but not horrible.
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P.s. Audioholics needs to take a 12 step program and stop reviewing audio, say no to reviews
Reminds me a lot like Streophile and The Absolute Sound. I suscribed to both for many years and then got weary of the cable and isolation "puck" reviews touting the DRAMATIC effect on the sound they produced. Defying all scientific reason and bordering on unexplained magic and/or pseudo-science "Golden Ear" elitism at it's best. Too bad double blind tests show them to be the farse that they are and people wonder why the industry as a whole is being gradually replaced by the much less expensive and far less pretentious MP3/iPod market. After all, it's about the sound, not the gear.
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Reminds me a lot like Streophile and The Absolute Sound. I suscribed to both for many years and then got weary of the cable and isolation "puck" reviews touting the DRAMATIC effect on the sound they produced. Defying all scientific reason and bordering on unexplained magic and/or pseudo-science "Golden Ear" elitism at it's best. Too bad double blind tests show them to be the farse that they are and people wonder why the industry as a whole is being gradually replaced by the much less expensive and far less pretentious MP3/iPod market. After all, it's about the sound, not the gear.
Happy listening!
I see we have another troll. I guess I'm elite because cables matter and so do isolation devices."Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
So is that how things at CP work now?Every new member that shows up with an opinion that doesn't quite line up exactly as it should and he gets labeled a troll and then piled on.?:eek:He has a mere ten posts,might he be given more a of chance?Testing
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So is that how things at CP work now?Every new member that shows up with an opinion that doesn't quite line up exactly as it should and he gets labeled a troll and then piled on.?:eek:He has a mere ten posts,might he be given more a of chance?
Give him a chance? All new members with a different viewpoint must be driven away ASAP. It's easier to discuss all the voodoo that way. -
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Fellas, at the end of the day it is....
1. Listening to Music.
2. On the Hi-Fi.
....and that's it.
Cheers,
RussCheck your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service. -
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Not to waste the new guy's time, but a few weeks ago I installed some vibration isolation footers on my CDP, pre-amp, and DAC. It most definitely had a "dramatic" effect in improving the sound quality. I was a bit sceptical at first, but after hearing it, no longer. Same with speaker wire.
Personally, I love stereophile and the absolute sound. If it was not for them I might not have discovered the Wadia iTransport.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
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All done here. Time to surf craigslist for used Vettes."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson
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*edit* Russ nailed it....Fellas, at the end of the day it is....
1. Listening to Music.
2. On the Hi-Fi.
....and that's it.
Cheers,
Russ
I think it's a bit comical coming from you two.
I apologize to the noob if his intentions are pure. It seems a few recent "noobs" are getting their feet wet in either the most controversial thread or commenting on the most controversial subject............my Spidey sense is detecting something. Somethings not right
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
Too bad double blind tests show them to be the farse that they are
Too bad for you that you bought that bridge.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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I'll admit I really like John Atkinsons reveiws and IMO he is one of the most knowledgable and sensible reviewers in the biz.Being as I'm an avid DIY speaker builder I'm particularily fond of his comprehensive measurements of them which I believe are the best in print(atleast since the demise of Audio magazine years ago).And yes I believe that atleast in the case of speakers ,accurate measurements can show good correlation with how they sound.
Personally, I love stereophile...Testing
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I see we have another troll. I guess I'm elite because cables matter and so do isolation devices.
Wow! The first time I've been called a "Troll". So quick you are to label... I guess better a "troll" than intolerant.Hearing is believing. -
Wow! The first time I've been called a "Troll". So quick you are to label... I guess better a "troll" than intolerant.
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Defying all scientific reason and bordering on unexplained magic and/or pseudo-science "Golden Ear" elitism at it's best. Too bad double blind tests show them to be the farse that they are
Well, you're either a troll or ignorant and maybe both.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Your statement was pretty incendiary for a very first post as a new member of an audio board. If you lurked for even a very short time you'd see the exact words you spoke are pretty contentious around here.
So prove me wrong, that you're not here to stir the pot and start trouble.
Welcome to CP.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
You spend your $$ on electronics, I'll spend mine on speakers. 'Nuff said.
That's a valid opinion, but I will say here as I've said in other posts, the experience of the group here at CP can save you a lot of grief in your quest for better sound.
Modding both of my sets of SDA's, following the great advice I asked for and was provided here, yielded great sound. But . . .
. . . spending more than the original value of the the SDA's on cables yielded an even greater improvement. Adding a tube component and component isolation yielded an even wider and deeper soundstage, and sharper image focus.
I haven't been doing this as long as some, but I've packed a lot into a short period of time by keeping an open mind and respecting those with a few thousand posts versus those with a few hundred.VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
NAD SS rigs w/mods
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I think it's a bit comical coming from you two.
I apologize to the noob if his intentions are pure. It seems a few recent "noobs" are getting their feet wet in either the most controversial thread or commenting on the most controversial subject............my Spidey sense is detecting something. Somethings not right
H9
Noob? Possibly... I've been in the hobby since, hmmm, let me think, 1980ish? At the tender age of 15, my first hi-fi setup was a Pioneer SX-30, a pioneer turntable that I can't remember the model of and a pair of Pioneer HPM-500 speakers. That's all it took to get the bug... Since then, I have spent MANY thousands on equipment. I've owned Polk speakers such as the Monitor 10B, SDA-2s and just recently bought a pair of Monitor 70s at a giveaway price of $169.99/ea. Other speakers such as Magnepan MG-1.4s, Boston Acoustics A400s, Phase Tech PC-80/90s, Genesis 1s, Snell Type 3s and NEAR ME IIs (And a few others not worth mentioning) have graced my living room. My electronics have consisted of brands such as Bryston, NAD, Carver, ADCOM, SONY, Marantz and even Conrad Johnson (a PV-10 Preamp. My only foray with tubes).
Anyway... Yes, the topics often contraversial as are most objective Vs. subjective debates are. On one side, you have the organic, feeling, nuanced and preceived argument and the other you have the measurable, repeatable and clinical arguments based upon scientific methodology. If preferring the former is trolling, then consider me guilty. The rest can continue painting the edges of their CDs green.
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Not to waste the new guy's time, but a few weeks ago I installed some vibration isolation footers on my CDP, pre-amp, and DAC. It most definitely had a "dramatic" effect in improving the sound quality. I was a bit sceptical at first, but after hearing it, no longer. Same with speaker wire.
Personally, I love stereophile and the absolute sound. If it was not for them I might not have discovered the Wadia iTransport.
Can we completely rule out the placebo effect?
A quick read: http://web.archive.org/web/20020214050428/http://www.oakland.edu/~djcarlst/abx_plac.htmHearing is believing. -
the other you have the measurable, repeatable and clinical arguments based upon scientific methodology.
That may be a great way to find the cure for cancer, but it has no place in audio.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
. . . the rest can continue painting the edges of their CDs green.
You are the first person I've run into that remembers this scam. I tried it back in the day because that is the only way to learn, but at least I used a marker lying around the house instead of mail-ordering the special high price "audiophile grade" markers advertised in the back of Stereophile.
I will say that like you, I started my journey into audio long ago (1972) and into higher quality components in the mid eighties, but time and the dollars spent meant nothing in my case. I'd remained a newbie for 36 years.
Only during the past year have I been able to put it all together and develop the proper synergy for my particular system. Mostly due to the great support I've found here at CP.
The concept of synergy is lost on most.VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
NAD SS rigs w/mods
GIK panels -
Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Welcome to CP and I prefer Armour all over the green ink;)The rest can continue painting the edges of their CDs green.
Happy listening!Testing
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For me, absolutely.
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...and these are the days of our lives.....~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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Can we completely rule out the placebo effect?
Yes.
I have to admit I do feel a little sorry for those whose hearing is so poor they cannot hear obvious differences. But I have no sympathy for those whose minds are so rigid they cannot accept the fact that we do yet completely understand either the physical universe, or human biology.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits. -
I'm curious how exactly you can do that, since expectational bias is completely subconscious?
Expectational bias may or may not be completely subconscious. I tend to think it's not as when one expects something, it's a conscious thought. If I see you dishing out a bowl of Ben & Jerry's chocolate from a B &J's container and I'm expecting it to taste like B & J's chocolate, but you're actually serving me Safeway chocolate do you really think that after tasting it that I'm not going to know it's not B & J's? I mean come on, get real.
Anyway, if my ears don't like what they hear, my feet don't tap along and my heart doesn't beat faster I don't care who's name is on it or how much it cost, it's not getting past my front door.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk
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