Anybody else read this review?

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited November 2009
    Hmmmmm. so your issue isn;t with mis-information as it is with other's who chastize fellow enthusiasts.

    So when you said mis-information, you really had an axe to grind with certain members here and not so much with the so called mis-information.

    Also, if your going to make a very caustic statement, if you want some credibility you should be ready to back it up. Right now it looks like you've got your spoon out and perhaps have already stooped to a level you seem to say you want to avoid.

    H9
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  • woodsman10b
    woodsman10b Posts: 408
    edited November 2009
    jinjuku wrote: »
    I replaced the TSI-100's in my business partners studio with a pair of Behringer 2031p's. It was a marked improvement and they even cost a few $$'s less. I like the TSI-100's but they are not the end all.

    A 'marked improvement' hmmm... ive never heard anything from behringer that sounded impressive, but then again some people 'actually' like bose and cerwin vega for their qualities, or should i say the lack there of?:D
    Most of them only hear how loud it sounds, and the rest of us hear everything else - :rolleyes:
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited November 2009
    woodsman10b wrote: »
    A 'marked improvement' hmmm... ive never heard anything from behringer that sounded impressive, but then again some people 'actually' like bose and cerwin vega for their qualities, or should i say the lack there of?:D

    Well I then submit that you should give the 2031p's a shot. The sound stage in particular was wider and more revealing. J actually redid a bunch of vocals because he heard some elements exposed that he didn't on the TSI's.

    The TSI 100's aren't a bad speaker. But given the price, we felt we did much better.

    I don't think any enthusiast audio website is perfect. Do I think it unfair to put bookshelf speakers in ~25X25X8 room and see how they perform? No. most likely there are 10's of thousands of setups like that out there.

    You are perfectly welcome to gather your own roundup of speakers and amplification and do a square off in any room of any dimensions you wish. I am excited to see your results.
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  • beardog03
    beardog03 Posts: 5,550
    edited November 2009
    jinjuku wrote: »
    J actually redid a bunch of vocals because he heard some elements exposed that he didn't on the TSI's.

    The TSI 100's aren't a bad speaker. But given the price, we felt we did much better.

    sounds alittle biased to me
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  • Matt34
    Matt34 Posts: 318
    edited November 2009
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Hmmmmm. so your issue isn;t with mis-information as it is with other's who chastize fellow enthusiasts.

    So when you said mis-information, you really had an axe to grind with certain members here and not so much with the so called mis-information.

    Also, if your going to make a very caustic statement, if you want some credibility you should be ready to back it up. Right now it looks like you've got your spoon out and perhaps have already stooped to a level you seem to say you want to avoid.

    H9

    Do you really want me to go through this forum and find posts with advice that is incorrect? Are you saying this forum and it's members are without fault? Quit reading into my post, I have no axe to grind unlike yourself.
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited November 2009
    beardog03 wrote: »
    sounds alittle biased to me

    How is it biased:confused::rolleyes: I wanted to see what the buzz was on the the Behringer passive monitors and since I have an Amazon prime account I ordered them. In our opinion they did better.

    Speaking of bias:
    I am putting in my fourth all Polk system for a buddy in Vegas. He has ~$1200 to spend (Speakers/Receiver/BR) and my go to speaker is Polk for that price range.
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  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited November 2009
    Matt34 wrote: »
    Do you really want me to go through this forum and find posts with advice that is incorrect? Are you saying this forum and it's members are without fault? Quit reading into my post, I have no axe to grind unlike yourself.


    The answer to your question is YES of course you should that way you can prove your point if not STFU.
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited November 2009
    What was so bad about the review? They seemed to like the speaker?? Maybe I just missed a point somewhere. Btw, my room is twice as big as theirs, 10,000 sq ft. :)
    madmax
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  • Matt34
    Matt34 Posts: 318
    edited November 2009
    NJPOLKER wrote: »
    The answer to your question is YES of course you should that way you can prove your point if not STFU.

    LOL, ok tough guy.
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited November 2009
    beardog03 wrote: »
    sounds alittle biased to me

    The sounds of crickets. Why say anything at all when you really had nothing to say in the first place.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,564
    edited November 2009
    jinjuku wrote: »
    The sounds of crickets. Why say anything at all when you really had nothing to say in the first place.

    Bear nailed your sorry excuse perfectly.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • Cpyder
    Cpyder Posts: 514
    edited November 2009
    Matt34 wrote: »
    LOL, ok tough guy.

    I'll be waiting for this... :)

    (Goes and grabs a grapefruit and some green tea)
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited November 2009
    Matt34 wrote: »
    LOL, ok tough guy.

    Oh lord. You're back on here posting again?

    Screw the grapefruit and green tea, i'll grab some chicken wings and a Mickey's.
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited November 2009
    Matt34 wrote: »
    LOL, ok tough guy.

    Matt,
    I was laughing too. The thing is your the one who brought up all the mis-information posted here so I figure your the one to go back through and find the information to back up your stupid comments.
    Enjoy
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited November 2009
    F1nut wrote: »
    Bear nailed your sorry excuse perfectly.

    What the hell are you two talking about?
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited November 2009
    Wow, people on a Polk forum who like, and might even be a bit biased to, Polk speakers.

    Whodathunkit.

    Some of you need to go back to eating paste.

    BDT
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited November 2009
    Matt34 wrote: »
    I'm not going to stoop to the person I quoted level but there has been bad information posted here by clubpolk members just as there has been on every AV forum. It's one thing to disagree with reviews but to chastize fellow enthusists based soley on the forum they post on and then make generalizations is ignorant at best.

    Matt,

    When it comes to choosing new Polk speakers, enjoying Polk speakers and especially restoring vintage Polk speakers, I would categorically state that I have NOT FOUND, as you wrote above, "BAD INFORMATION POSTED HERE BY CLUB POLK MEMBERS".

    However, as in most online forums, there are always asinine opinions stated here and there.
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited November 2009
    jinjuku wrote: »
    What the hell are you two talking about?

    Assclowns. See post 49 above
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited November 2009
    Eh.... there's misinformation posted on every forum, this one is no exception.

    The difference is that there's forums that are primarily **** (audioholics), and those that actually have a lot of good information (club polk).

    Matt seems to come in and say that Club Polk sucks everytime that someone says anything bad about Audioholics. That's about his entire purpose on this forum.

    Seems to me that he's the one spreading misinformation.
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • rubin
    rubin Posts: 565
    edited November 2009
    madmax wrote: »
    What was so bad about the review? They seemed to like the speaker?? Maybe I just missed a point somewhere. Btw, my room is twice as big as theirs, 10,000 sq ft. :)
    madmax

    10,000 sq. ft.?Are you talking about a room in your house?That's 4x larger than my entire house!You must be rubbing shoulders with the rich and famous.
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited November 2009
    concealer404 wrote: »
    Eh.... there's misinformation posted on every forum, this one is no exception.

    The difference is that there's forums that are primarily **** (audioholics), and those that actually have a lot of good information (club polk).

    I would say with items like the AH Article on Visual Acuity and 720/1080 resolutions or something like Infinity Kappa Perfect sub build that AH provides a lot of tangible benefit. Benefit that I haven't seen here at Club Polk. So I can go to AH and get an article on Visual Acuity, or Club Polk and get 'reviewadvertisment' for PS Audio...

    Let me say this another way: Polk Forums is the only audio enthusiast website I know of to have people call a great DIY designer like John Krutke a troll. That speaks volumes for the lack of class for the vocal minority here.
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited November 2009
    jinjuku wrote: »
    I would say with items like the AH Article on Visual Acuity and 720/1080 resolutions or something like Infinity Kappa Perfect sub build that AH provides a lot of tangible benefit. Benefit that I haven't seen here at Club Polk. So I can go to AH and get an article on Visual Acuity, or Club Polk and get 'reviewadvertisment' for PS Audio...

    Let me say this another way: Polk Forums is the only audio enthusiast website I know of to have people call a great DIY designer like John Krutke a troll. That speaks volumes for the lack of class for the vocal minority here.

    Ok.... so if you don't like it, then why hang around? It's that simple. It's plenty good enough for 99% of the people that are here, so that should speak volumes in itself.
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited November 2009
    Then why don't you pack up and leave?

    Honestly, what's your purpose here? If WE are happy with what WE like and what WE hear....what's your problem with that? It's not like we are going onto your favorite sites and trolling....

    Or, perhaps, it's a subjective hobby and that's something that you can't wrap your head around? MAYBE, something that you like....I honestly feel like sounds like crap. It happens. Micah, a hobbit pimp I hold in high regards doesn't like my fave speaker. So what?

    Christ, this is tiring. You don't like us. We don't like you. Seeing as that we were her first and we are 'happy' with what/where we are.....it begs a question. WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE?

    BDT
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited November 2009
    concealer404 wrote: »
    Ok.... so if you don't like it, then why hang around? It's that simple. It's plenty good enough for 99% of the people that are here, so that should speak volumes in itself.

    Because not all my interactions here are with idiots like you and the gang.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited November 2009
    I would say with items like the AH Article on Visual Acuity and 720/1080 resolutions or something like Infinity Kappa Perfect sub build that AH provides a lot of tangible benefit. Benefit that I haven't seen here at Club Polk. So I can go to AH and get an article on Visual Acuity, or Club Polk and get 'reviewadvertisment' for PS Audio...

    Let me say this another way: Polk Forums is the only audio enthusiast website I know of to have people call a great DIY designer like John Krutke a troll. That speaks volumes for the lack of class for the vocal minority here.

    why are you still here then? Oh.............yeah I forgot we tend to tolerate trolls here more than any other audio forum on the 'net. You're pathetic!
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited November 2009
    TroyD wrote: »
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    Or, perhaps, it's a subjective hobby and that's something that you can't wrap your head around? MAYBE, something that you like....I honestly feel like sounds like crap. It happens. Micah, a hobbit pimp I hold in high regards doesn't like my fave speaker. So what?


    BDT

    So CNH in post 18 can walk in to a Best Buy and say the TSI 100's trumped everything there in it's bracket. I pick up a pair of Behringer 2031p's that in my opinion did a better job than the TSI 100's and I'm biased and an instigator.

    You guys are morons.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,564
    edited November 2009
    jinjuku, Would you like cheese with your whine?
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited November 2009
    jinjuku wrote: »
    Because not all my interactions here are with idiots like you and the gang.

    I'm interested to find out what exactly i've done to you that lets you brand me as an idiot.

    Besides be a member of this forum.
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited November 2009
    jinjuku wrote: »
    So CNH in post 18 can walk in to a Best Buy and say the TSI 100's trumped everything there in it's bracket. I pick up a pair of Behringer 2031p's that in my opinion did a better job than the TSI 100's and I'm biased and an instigator.

    You guys are morons.


    Or maybe you don't understand the sarcasm that was probably injected into Beardog's post.
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited November 2009
    Based on your past post....yes.

    You've got an agenda and all you are here to do is push that agenda. You have no interest in 'discussing' and your mind is probably more closed than anyone else's.

    For example....You think tone controls are fantastic. Hey, great for you. There are some that don't agree. You think those people are stupid. That makes YOU as close minded as them....Why? BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A 'RIGHT' ANSWER....something YOU don't get.

    Personally, I don't care if you are biased. Everyone has biases.

    Now, an instigator....clearly, you are. You enjoy being inflammatory. That makes you pathetic that you have nothing better to do in life. All you crave is attention.....'oh, people are paying attention and reacting to me'. That sort of attention fixation is really pretty pathetic.

    BDT
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