Anybody else read this review?

sucks2beme

jinjuku wrote: »

So CNH in post 18 can walk in to a Best Buy and say the TSI 100's trumped everything there in it's bracket. I pick up a pair of Behringer 2031p's that in my opinion did a better job than the TSI 100's and I'm biased and an instigator.

You guys are morons.

If you like to argue with morons, what does that say about you?
You like to argue. I prefer to read. You always could just use your
noggin to filter out what is chaff? There's always somebody saying
something you don't agree with. Get used to it. It's the internet.

jinjuku

concealer404 wrote: »

Or maybe you don't understand the sarcasm that was probably injected into Beardog's post.

Usually a sarcastic post is tagged [sarcasm] [/sarcasm].

TroyD

If everyone else caught the sarcasam but you....I'd say you are the one with the issue.

I'd say comprehension isn't your strong suit either, sport.

BDT

concealer404

jinjuku wrote: »

Usually a sarcastic post is tagged [sarcasm] [/sarcasm].

I wasn't aware that those tags exist. They didn't seem to work correctly in your post.

I ASSURE you, my good man, there is far more sarcasm on this board than is just tagged by [sarcasm][/sarcasm].

If this is normal forum etiquette accepted across the internet, then i appreciate the education.

jinjuku

TroyD wrote: »

Based on your past post....yes.

You've got an agenda and all you are here to do is push that agenda. You have no interest in 'discussing' and your mind is probably more closed than anyone else's.

For example....You think tone controls are fantastic. Hey, great for you. There are some that don't agree. You think those people are stupid. That makes YOU as close minded as them....Why? BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A 'RIGHT' ANSWER....something YOU don't get.

Personally, I don't care if you are biased. Everyone has biases.

Now, an instigator....clearly, you are. You enjoy being inflammatory. That makes you pathetic that you have nothing better to do in life. All you crave is attention.....'oh, people are paying attention and reacting to me'. That sort of attention fixation is really pretty pathetic.

BDT

My only agenda is to push back against some of the B.S. spewed about. I never said you have to have Tone Control / EQ in your rig.

What I did say is that it can be of benefit when other reasonable measures fail. I have also said if you can get a good room response curve going w/o any fiddling with the signal that would be goal #1. It's you guys that are saying no way, end of story. So I disagree with a lot more respect than you show others. Again certain calling polksters John Krukte a troll? Really? Again: it speaks volumes.

TroyD

Oh, whatever.

Please, we have nothing to offer you. Go seek your attention elsewhere. Clearly we are a waste of your time.

jinjuku

concealer404 wrote: »

I wasn't aware that those tags exist. They didn't seem to work correctly in your post.

I ASSURE you, my good man, there is far more sarcasm on this board than is just tagged by [sarcasm][/sarcasm].

If this is normal forum etiquette accepted across the internet, then i appreciate the education.

Yes, sights like /. or Arstechnica or HardOCP even AVSForum and AH. [Sarcasm][/Sarcasm] are used to denote sarcastic posts. Correct they are not actual markup tags. That is sometime the problem with email/msg boards.

TroyD

Wow, just checked...this isn't any of THOSE forums...should we be sorry for not following thier SOP?

Oh, and I went back and looked at that thread......nobody was calling your John Knuterockne or whoever anything....and it was ONE POST. If one post a concensus makes.....wow, you really are thick.

We have a person, John K., who from time to time buzzes in and spews his anti-hifi propoganda.....apparently, you didn't catch that. Way to jump to conclusions.

Last thought.....dude, it's not what you believe...in your case it's purely attitudinal. You may well be a very nice guy. However, you come accross as an ****. I'm a big believer in that if 100 people are saying the same thing...perhaps they aren't all wrong.

Think it over.

BDT

concealer404

jinjuku wrote: »

Yes, sights like /. or Arstechnica or HardOCP even AVSForum and AH. [Sarcasm][/Sarcasm] are used to denote sarcastic posts. Correct they are not actual markup tags. That is sometime the problem with email/msg boards.

Well, i think it would have become immediately apparent after a day or two here that those "tags" aren't used a whole lot here, and an adjustment in butt-hurt efficiency rating would have been made to something more like 82db.

I can honestly say that not a single forum that i'm on uses that connotation to denote sarcasm. You either get it and laugh, or don't, and move on like a grown-up.

TroyD

jinjuku...

You still haven't answered the question why you are here. Nice try....ok, if you want to combat spewed BS....fine, but why here? I mean, I've read some other forums....AK, audioholics...AA....LOTS of BS flying around those places.

WHY US? Could it just be we are a bit smaller and you can gain a level of noteriety here that you can't elsewhere? AA, you are simply to small to register...AK, grumpy would bounce your **** so fast your head would spin....admit it or not, I think that I'm pretty spot on here.

BDT

heiney9

TroyD wrote: »

jinjuku...

You still haven't answered the question why you are here. Nice try....ok, if you want to combat spewed BS....fine, but why here? I mean, I've read some other forums....AK, audioholics...AA....LOTS of BS flying around those places.

WHY US? Could it just be we are a bit smaller and you can gain a level of noteriety here that you can't elsewhere? AA, you are simply to small to register...AK, grumpy would bounce your **** so fast your head would spin....admit it or not, I think that I'm pretty spot on here.

BDT

No Troy, it's because his type of trolling and combative posts ARE tolerated here. He'd be gone in a minute if he, and some others on here whose specific purpose is to flame and troll, acted this way on another internet forum. He's here simply because he can get away with it.

Again pathetic.

H9

madmax

rubin wrote: »

10,000 sq. ft.?Are you talking about a room in your house?That's 4x larger than my entire house!You must be rubbing shoulders with the rich and famous.

Nope, just sold my house in an expensive area and moved to a different state where they don't tax you for breathing. Its bigger than my whole old house too.
madmax

jinjuku

TroyD wrote: »

jinjuku...

You still haven't answered the question why you are here. Nice try....ok, if you want to combat spewed BS....fine, but why here? I mean, I've read some other forums....AK, audioholics...AA....LOTS of BS flying around those places.

BDT

Question asked, question answered.

For the record (and recently) I poo-pooh'd AH'ers for the whole "All amps sound the same when level matched".

I don't believe that for a second. There are too many design approaches (especially output stage) for me to believe that.

Far as cables and interconnects. After I get moved into the new house I am planning on demoing IC and speaker level cables. But only from sources that will let me trial them. That includes Signal and BJC but excludes AQ and Kimber. Which has been a direct influence from being here.

Cpyder

concealer404 wrote: »

Oh lord. You're back on here posting again?

Screw the grapefruit and green tea, i'll grab some chicken wings and a Mickey's.

I'm liking you more and more. Mickey's 40s are my favorite!!

concealer404

Cpyder wrote: »

I'm liking you more and more. Mickey's 40s are my favorite!!

Get off my leg, pervert!!!

TroyD

jinjuku wrote: »

Question asked, question answered.

For the record (and recently) I poo-pooh'd AH'ers for the whole "All amps sound the same when level matched".

I don't believe that for a second. There are too many design approaches (especially output stage) for me to believe that.

Far as cables and interconnects. After I get moved into the new house I am planning on demoing IC and speaker level cables. But only from sources that will let me trial them. That includes Signal and BJC but excludes AQ and Kimber. Which has been a direct influence from being here.

1. No, it wasn't

2. Wow, there is a frigging revelation :rolleyes:
Now, my question here is...did you arrive at this ephiphany because you've actually OWNED and LISTENED to an array of amps? Or could it be that from what you've read and heard....it seems plausible. I'm betting on the second option. Otherwise, you would have just said 'after listening to X number of amps over the years...that's horseshit.'

3. So, this begs me to ask....what do you currently have for gear and so forth. I mean....you seem to come off as a know-it-all-because-I-read it kinda guy. Here, you are dealing with some folks who have been at this for a couple decades or so. If you are just getting to the whole wire/IC thing....I gotta say, your credibility on some of your posturing is for ****. Again, I can read the internet too, however, there are folks like myself, Tom, F1, shack...who have arrived at these conclusions because we've been listening to this stuff and doing this for quite awhile. That just doesn't appear (now I could be wrong...but from doing some reading, it seems pretty accuruate) to be the case with you, sport.

Essentially, your content has been weighed, measured and found to be lacking.

BDT

jinjuku

TroyD wrote: »

1. No, it wasn't

2. Wow, there is a frigging revelation :rolleyes:
Now, my question here is...did you arrive at this ephiphany because you've actually OWNED and LISTENED to an array of amps? Or could it be that from what you've read and heard....it seems plausible. I'm betting on the second option. Otherwise, you would have just said 'after listening to X number of amps over the years...that's horseshit.'

3. So, this begs me to ask....what do you currently have for gear and so forth. I mean....you seem to come off as a know-it-all-because-I-read it kinda guy. Here, you are dealing with some folks who have been at this for a couple decades or so. If you are just getting to the whole wire/IC thing....I gotta say, your credibility on some of your posturing is for ****. Again, I can read the internet too, however, there are folks like myself, Tom, F1, shack...who have arrived at these conclusions because we've been listening to this stuff and doing this for quite awhile. That just doesn't appear (now I could be wrong...but from doing some reading, it seems pretty accuruate) to be the case with you, sport.

Essentially, your content has been weighed, measured and found to be lacking.

BDT

Amps I have compared at the same time: Crown DC 300A, NAD 272, XPA 3. I have had the Crown DC 300A and DC 150A since ~87. I liked the NAD out of the three when compared. I also currently own:

Behringer A500, EP 2500 (bass) and Parasound HCA 1000A.

My speakers are the Zaph ZDT 3.5's. Current subs are based on the TC Sounds DB500 subs. Driven with the EP2500 and the DCX2496 eq/x-over. The only eq is a slight flattening at 60hz. The x-over set for 100hz.

Nice try there champ. But you fail again. You can stick your haughty attitude up your ****.

Some talk about doing, Some actually do. That just doesn't appear (now I could be wrong...but from doing some reading, it seems pretty accurate) to be the case with you, sport;)

TroyD

...and you prove my point nicely.

So, tell me, what do you know about Krell, Levinson, Classe, Dodd, Heathkit, Musical Fidelity, Melos, Conrad Johnson, Quad, Dahlquist, Carver, Sunfire, Marantz....and probably a dozen other brands that I've owned over the years that escape me at the moment....what are you going to tell me now? Oh, I've also got some Parasound in my HT rig. Now, mind you, I'm not bragging....of a lot of guys here, I'm an amateur.

Zaph...ok, that 'splains the John Krutke love affair. Never heard his stuff...it may well be stellar. I'm going to go out on a limb and say you probably base most of what you are saying on his thoughts. One, not terribly original (give more credit for originality) and two, there are a few more schools of thought out there.

So, we were talking about credibility...right?


BDT

RuSsMaN

Dude, he's owned Crown amps. Back away slowly and steadily......

jinjuku

TroyD wrote: »

...and you prove my point nicely.

So, tell me, what do you know about Krell, Levinson, Classe, Dodd, Heathkit, Musical Fidelity, Melos, Conrad Johnson, Quad, Dahlquist, Carver, Sunfire, Marantz....and probably a dozen other brands that I've owned over the years that escape me at the moment....what are you going to tell me now? Oh, I've also got some Parasound in my HT rig. Now, mind you, I'm not bragging....of a lot of guys here, I'm an amateur.

Zaph...ok, that 'splains the John Krutke love affair. Never heard his stuff...it may well be stellar. I'm going to go out on a limb and say you probably base most of what you are saying on his thoughts. One, not terribly original (give more credit for originality) and two, there are a few more schools of thought out there.

So, we were talking about credibility...right?


BDT

No, we are talking about opinion. I would rather spend $$ on speakers than amplification/IC's. That's where the biggest return on investment is going to come into play.

I briefly had the Carver M400 cube that I picked up from an engineer at Audio-Technica in the early 90's at their annual tent sale. Meh, I got rid of it pretty quick.

But I digress: I am not trying to tell you anything. What can you tell someone that thinks they know it all? I doubt I will ever go chasing down the rabbit hole for all those brands. I would rather get solid electronics and spend $$ on the speakers.

My next pair will be the mini-statements or one of the Zaph ZA5 designs.

I'm not the one that is doing any wholesale bashing of AH or anything else here.

jinjuku

RuSsMaN wrote: »

Dude, he's owned Crown amps. Back away slowly and steadily......

Uh, the DC series were well respected. Their classic line was also well received. The quicker you shut up the sooner you will stop looking stupid.

RuSsMaN

Troy, this IS like old times. They keep lobbin' em up, we're gonna keep knockin' em out of the park.....

SERENITY NOW!

Cheers,
Russ (of the quicker I shut up, the sooner I will stop looking stupid Russes)

concealer404

I thought Crown only made pro-series amps? I may be wrong here, since i can't really be bothered to look it up. I had one briefly. It was LOUD. It sounded like ****.

inspiredsports

jinjuku wrote: »

Uh, the DC series were well respected. Their classic line was also well received. The quicker you shut up the sooner you will stop looking stupid.

What's the point? Are you trying to win friends and influence?

TroyD

Where did I say that I know it all? What I did say, since you seem to lack basic comphrension....is that I think you lack credibility on the basis that your experience level isn't there. There is nothing *wrong* with that....but, it's like who am I going to take financial advice from: Warren Buffet or the guy who fills the ATM machine. You simply lack the bredth of experience and like to pass off the opinions of others as your own.

There is a LOT of stuff I don't know....and I'm far from ashamed to admit it. Unlike you, who has your mind made up that you've got it ALL figured out.

Now, I'll also disagree. IMO, amplification is the last place I'd upgrade....I'm reticent to include speakers because they are the biggest variable and often drive the sort of gear you can use...so, not including speakers:

In order:
Source
Preamp
Amp
power cords
IC's
speaker cables.

This is my opinion because in my rigs, it's what I've found makes the largest difference. YMMV.
BDT

concealer404

I think i'm going to join Audioholics just to truly sample the difference firsthand. Reading threads on occasion doesn't quite give the same experience.

It's like sniffing a glass of wine and not tasting it. I want to down the bottle, get schwasted, then wake up the next morning and realize that i drank a gallon of vinegar.

TroyD

RuSsMaN wrote: »

Dude, he's owned Crown amps. Back away slowly and steadily......

He's definately got us all pegged, broham.

BDT

TroyD

RuSsMaN wrote: »

Troy, this IS like old times. They keep lobbin' em up, we're gonna keep knockin' em out of the park.....

SERENITY NOW!

Cheers,
Russ (of the quicker I shut up, the sooner I will stop looking stupid Russes)

I know, right?

DING! WIRES RUN! DING! WIRES RUN!

BDT

jinjuku

concealer404 wrote: »

I thought Crown only made pro-series amps? I may be wrong here, since i can't really be bothered to look it up. I had one briefly. It was LOUD. It sounded like ****.

Crowns DC and PS series were used in both mixing and home studios a lot. Prior to the whole internet thing I had a few people recommend them for the budget I had. I picked up mine from a guy pushing some Wharfedale's at the time. I got them plus the IC150 preamp for $450.

heiney9

jinjuku wrote: »

No, we are talking about opinion. I would rather spend $$ on speakers than amplification/IC's. That's where the biggest return on investment is going to come into play.

Actually in my 30 years in this hobby at various levels I've found that to be grossly false. Sure you need decent speakers and a decent front end, yadda, yadda, yadda. But I have found some very nice positive improvements with cables and if I had paid retail I'd have spent almost as much on cables as I did on my amp.

H9