Is there ANYPLACE left to smoke in peace!!!

AsSiMiLaTeD

Maybe we should quit electing these people into office - isn't that really where it all starts?

The problem is most of society is too dumb to comprehend the concept that their rights are being stripped away a little bit at a time.

Everyone knows the frog in boiling water experiment right? Right now society consists of millions of clueless frogs...

DarqueKnight

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

As for tobacco vs the 'other stuff' - I've heard on multiple occasions that tobacco is actually worse for you than mj.

I find that hard to believe, but apparently some people subscribe to that theory. So why is one illegal and noth the other?

Drug dealers spend significant amounts of money "lobbying" politicians to NOT leagalize pot. Leagalizing pot, taxing and regulating it would drive prices down astronomically. It would also drive demand down somewhat due to the loss of its "cool factor" as an illicit drug.

Sami

sucks2beme wrote: »

So why does not wearing a seatbelt in Tejas get a $200 fine, but not
wearing a helmet is ok? These guys are going to die for sure if they
dump at road speed. No helmet is a 100 times more risky than no seatbelt.

You're forgetting that the guy not wearing a seatbelt is putting the other passengers in the car at risk as well. The guy riding a motorcycle w/o a helmet isn't (although it's not wise to do so). Wearing a seatbelt should be mandatory also in the backseat, and I don't think it is in many states.

I always make my passengers wear seatbelts also in the backseat. If they don't like it, they can walk. The guy sitting behind you w/o a belt is a major threat to YOUR life in case of an accident!

sucks2beme

No, the religous right wants pot to stay illegal.
I have taken the viewpoint of the Libertarian party to
heart. Not all of their views are mine, but their stance
is more realistic than either the Donkeys or the Elephants.
No, I don't use drugs, I just feel the way we are trying to
stop it doesn't work. Jailing users is a waste of time.
We are spending our way to oblivion with no end in sight.
And we are taking the time and effort to harrass smokers?
Sorry, there are many other things that piss me off much worse
than someone lighting up in the local park.

krabby5

tcrossma wrote: »

Drunk driving is illegal. And I don't think too many people are going to sympathize with someone who gets behind the wheel drunk and kills someone. You are talking about two completely different things here.

According to some quick googling, in 2006 there were approx. 14,000 deaths in the US caused by drunk driving. In 2007 there were approx. 50,000 deaths related to second hand smoking.

Who sympathizes with drunk drivers? I car pool with a guy who blew a .08 back in Nov coming from my house (we had an after-work party). It was his 2nd one. He got one when he was 20. He is now 29. He has since gone to AA twice a week, done evrything right, hasn't taken a drink since. He pays me to take him to work, since he lost his license. He has to take 3 busses otherwise, which he had to do when he was attending AA twice a week, or when i am off work. The judge gave him 30 days in the workhouse AND another 30 days house arrest. Luckily his boss is cool (he's an accountant) and he is able to take the time of without pay. In November, he gets his license back for $700.

And he doesnt complain because he knows it was against the law and he was wrong.

concealer404

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

As for tobacco vs the 'other stuff' - I've heard on multiple occasions that tobacco is actually worse for you than mj.

I find that hard to believe, but apparently some people subscribe to that theory. So why is one illegal and noth the other?

It's actually been proven multiple times. As a matter of fact, they've been having problems finding any serious health effects to mj AT ALL.

tonyb

I find it hard to believe that 50,000 died from second hand smoke in 2007.Seein that you can't smoke anywhere,how is that possible? And for giggles,lets say they did,maybe it was their CHOICE to be around it.Who are you to tell me how to die? Smokers know it's bad,they know they eventually will die from it.Guess what?? We all will die from one thing or another.And don't throw up the healthcare cost,because the few smokers that don't have healthcare are way fewer than the illegals who get a lifetime of it for free.Maybe the do-gooders will come to your house,open the fridge,and start throwing out that cheesecake sitting in there,alfredo sauce too.Rediculous.I know most people are sensitive to cig.or cigar smoke,and am quick to put it out or move when asked to do so in a family environment.Around kids,I don't even think about it.But thats as far as I go.If I am on a bar stool smokeing,and some yuppie sits next to me and whines about it,tough crap,you shouldn't of have sat there.End of rant.

sucks2beme

The world is full of BS. Secondhand smoke stats may be one of them.
How do they come up with a figure for deaths for something so vague?
As far as MJ, also a lot smoke is blown up our arses.
Any smoke entering your lungs has bad stuff in it. Thats why you cough.
And is it addictive? Not fall down on the floor and twitch addictive,
but users have a very hard time stopping. And you can have all the same
problems that a heavy drinker has.

treitz3

There is no difference between the smoke that comes out of your tailpipe and my cigarette. Both are unhealthy. You should have NO right to dictate when and where I smoke and I should have NO right to tell you when and where you can drive.

Within reason, of course. I wouldn't walk into a hospital room where a mother had just given birth even if it was legal. Same goes for an elevator, certain restaurants, church and places to where common courtesy come into play.

As I posted earlier, when you can't smoke out at a public pool OUTSIDE when nobody is within 40 feet of you, that's where you can take your stance of banning me from enjoying a good smoke and shove it. Where you shove it, I don't care. Do me this, though. Shove it so far up where it's going to where I never hear about it again.

Steve brought up a good point. The next time you are at a public gathering and you smell smoke from a campfire or grill, do you feel that you have the right to walk up to them and say "I'm sorry sir but I'm gonna have to ask you to put that out. It's affecting my health"? I'd like to see you try it and come out unscathed. Well, the same harmful smoke from the campfire is no different from the smoke that is exhausted from a cigarette, however in multiple times more potency and longevity.

AsSiMiLaTeD

I'm not sure where you guys live, but where I live they tend to frown on people starting 'campfires' in public places. I don't think I've ever been walking around outside or at a park and said, "Hey, look at that guy with a campfire over there".

I'm not sure why campfires keep getting brought up, how many places are there really where a campfire is allowed but where you also can't smoke?

brettw22

Not only that, but there are also laws and regulations on the exhaust that is deemed acceptable........it's not as if every engine out there exhausts from under the hood.....

steveinaz

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

I'm not sure where you guys live, but where I live they tend to frown on people starting 'campfires' in public places. I don't think I've ever been walking around outside or at a park and said, "Hey, look at that guy with a campfire over there".

I'm not sure why campfires keep getting brought up, how many places are there really where a campfire is allowed but where you also can't smoke?

Campfire was one example, B-B-Q was also mentioned. How many people B-B-Q? Many.

Like I said, laws are already in place--if you're smelling cigarette smoke--you are going out of your way to find it; and that's YOUR fault.

To the "anti" smokers in general; stop trying to mold the world to fit YOU. Use some common sense, good judgement, and personal responsibility and avoid places that might have the terrible cigarette odor--just like I avoid establishments that don't allow smoking. See how that works?

candyliquor35m

Those darn indians and their peace pipes. I knew they weren't inhaling. I think we should sue them

treitz3

steveinaz wrote: »

Like I said, laws are already in place--if you're smelling cigarette smoke--you are going out of your way to find it; and that's YOUR fault. To the "anti" smokers in general; stop trying to mold the world to fit you. Use some common sense, good judgement, and personal responsibility and avoid places that might have the terrible cigarette odor--just like i avoid establishments that don't allow smoking. See how that works?

Ed Zachary!!!

steveinaz

sheesh. ME, ME, ME. If you can't see that smokers have made LARGE concessions, you're the type that isn't satisfied with anything reasonable--and I'm more than happy to make you miserable.

If I may quote the great George Grand "If I've said anything that may have offended you, you need to know in advance that I don't give a ****."

(hope I got that right George)

I'm out.

AsSiMiLaTeD

steveinaz wrote: »

Campfire was one example, B-B-Q was also mentioned. How many people B-B-Q? Many.

Like I said, laws are already in place--if you're smelling cigarette smoke--you are going out of your way to find it; and that's YOUR fault.

To the "anti" smokers in general; stop trying to mold the world to fit YOU. Use some common sense, good judgement, and personal responsibility and avoid places that might have the terrible cigarette odor--just like I avoid establishments that don't allow smoking. See how that works?

I guess it's different out there...the only place out here I'm allowed to have a grill is even is also a place I'd be able to smoke if I wanted...my house or somewhere like a campground....obviously our laws are different here...

AsSiMiLaTeD

Like i said, ultimately if what you're doing doesn't hurt me then I don care. I'd personally rather not smell it, but whatever, I'm not 'entitled' to that 'right'. Again though if I'm going to operate under that logic, then that should apply to other things as well. That would include the legalization of other drugs as well, as long as they don't harm other people - and did I mention walking around naked in public (not sure why I keep coming back to that )

One thing I do firmly believe is that if you're going to smoke in a public venue, you need to clean up after yourself. People who leave their butts all over the place should be fined or jailed or whatever the consequence for littering. Basically, it should be treated as littering and any applicable penalty or punishment should apply.

Ricardo

I think banning smoking from a swimming pool makes a lot of sense; unfortunately there's a lot of smokers that don't use ashtrays, and just throw their cigarettes anywhere. It just does not look good.

steveinaz

The goobers who drop their butts are a-holes, I agree 100% with you on that, but that's a different issue and I think it's unfair to make that generalization to all smokers. Just like the jerks that empty their ashtray in the parking lot---

candyliquor35m

steveinaz wrote: »

The goobers who drop their butts are a-holes, I agree 100% with you on that, but that's a different issue and I think it's unfair to make that generalization to all smokers. Just like the jerks that empty their ashtray in the parking lot---

Unfortunately the only way this anti-smoking crusade will end is if a court decides the specific ban is unconstitutional or whatever right the smoker has.

You can pretty much count on smoking while driving will be the next ban. They are banning driving while using a cell phone (even hands free) in a school zone here.

I love it when I see someone driving and smoking and talking on a cell phone at the same time. That's multi-tasking

krabby5

I waas driving to work today and was behind a lady for awhile and she was smoking like a chimney..one after another. And each time she was done, she would just toss it out her window like nobody's business... I don't get that..what makes people think that it's ok to treat the roads like it's their ashtray? In fact after the 3rd cigarette went flying out the window at a stoplight, I double-flipped her off so she could see in her rearview mirror:D She had ZERO clue why I could be pissed off and just threw up her hands as if to say, "WHAT?"

Now don't get me wrong..I hate cigarettes, but I also don't like the govt telling me what I can and cant do all the time. But I don't go throwing $hit out of my car....wtf?

treitz3

Folks like that is part of the reason we [smokers] have a bad rap. Grrrrr.

You know what? I thought about something the other day. Does the HOA have the legal right to ban smoking at the pool? We ALL own the pool and it is outdoors. Isn't that unconstitutional or am I just living a bad dream?

F1nut

Sue their preppy little PC asses.

AsSiMiLaTeD

treitz3 wrote: »

Folks like that is part of the reason we [smokers] have a bad rap. Grrrrr.

The problem is that everyone I know who smokes, granted that is a small number of people, does that - throwing butts out the window of their car. Maybe all the people I know are ****.

I'll put my quarter on the table - follow 10 people that are in their car smoking, I bet 7 of the ten throw the butts out the window. I've never conducted a scientific study, but based on casual observation I'd bet on that.

Ricardo

When I smoked I threw butts out the window.

Ashtray in the car today are a "special order extra". At least in Hondas.

tonyb

Ricardo wrote: »

When I smoked I threw butts out the window.

Ashtray in the car today are a "special order extra". At least in Hondas.

Been that way with Honda for over 10 years allready. These bans don't hit home for most people untill they start comming after something they like.
Trans-fats....a bakery without it,is like a day without sunshine.Poor New yorkers,

bobman1235

Ricardo wrote: »

When I smoked I threw butts out the window.

Ashtray in the car today are a "special order extra". At least in Hondas.

I did the same thing, though I did look out for bikers or people with open windows before I did it

It's rude, but also one of many things people overstate a little bit when demonizing smokers. A cigarette butt on the side of the road is dwarfed by pretty much anything else that is there. Most pebbles you kick on the street are bigger, folks just choose to notice cigarette butts and focus their ire accordingly.

AsSiMiLaTeD

I honestly don't mind it on the road so much as in front of buildings and such. That being said, in Texas littering is illegal, regardless of how big whatever it is that you throw out the window. I get just as pissed at people who throw anything else out the window, not just butts.

jgido759

bobman1235 wrote: »

Most pebbles you kick on the street are bigger, folks just choose to notice cigarette butts and focus their ire accordingly.

BUT, most pebbles will not start a fire if kicked/tossed into a dry area. :rolleyes:

F1nut

jgido759 wrote: »

BUT, most pebbles will not start a fire if kicked/tossed into a dry area. :rolleyes:

Whatever :rolleyes:

Tell the car manufacturers to put ashtrays back in their cars.