Is there ANYPLACE left to smoke in peace!!!

George Grand

What are you going to do if they band poor spellers?

If they do band you, I'll teach you how to smoke.

steveinaz

Some seriously sanctamonious **** on this forum. Anybody got a cigarette I can bum?

If my comment offended you, the shoe must fit.

How shallow do you have to be to form such a negative opinion about someone based on a habit they enjoy. Lots of perfect humans here I guess--good for you.

obieone

*sigh* The whole purpose of my rant, was to point out the stupid priorities of S.C.
Here they're trying to show how PROGRESSIVE they are, but, they still have: a confederate flag on the state house grounds(not that I care at all), they DON'T have SAFETY inspection stickers or EMISSION stickers for vehicles, they pretty much ignore federal building codes, and labor laws.
If I brought a labor attorney from someplace like MA. and showed them some of the working conditions of NATIONAL chains down here, they're friggin' head would spin off!!
Basically, there's a lot of 3rd world charm down here.

candyliquor35m

I respect smokers. Someone has to carry the torch

Cigarettes were invented by the cavemen in case the fire went out

They were square tho because the wheel hadn't been invented yet

steveinaz

Actually, my smoking helps me to filter out the type of people I wouldn't want to associate with in the first place (read that: judgmental; intolerant). There's a plus.

If you're an anti-smoker, and you're smelling cigarette smoke---you've gone out of your way to find it in this country now. Quit your cryin.

treitz3

avelanchefan wrote: »

But I ask the Anti-smoker this? What kills more? Second hand smoke, or Drunk drivers from the bars that are smoke free? So getting all hot under the collar about smoke, while joe blow next to you is so inebriated that he can hardly speak, gets behind the wheel and kills someone, just makes this thread look pathetic. I wish more people were adamant about Drunk drivers as they are against smoking.

Ding Ding Ding!

In other words, if you are going to **** about something worthwhile....well then, by all means **** about something worthwhile.

Ricardo

11 months smoke free next week, and loving it. I can ride 10 miles in my bike, run up the stairs to the third floor...anything is possible now. A year ago, I could not run 300 feet to catch my connection because my flight was late.

I smoked for over 30 years and I understand all of you smokers. But believe me, quitting is the best decision I've made in my life.

wizzy

obieone wrote: »

they DON'T have SAFETY inspection stickers

Sounds good to me. They don't have the in California either.

Now I'm in NC it sucks because they do have them. So even though I have a newer car the brand spanking new tires, I have to have the gubamint not letting my old station wagon pass because "the tires don't have enough tread!"

Never mind I drive it 2k miles a year, only to go do hardware store runs and the like. Never mind I have another car with new tires I can drive in the rain.

Oh thank you government for making me spend $400 on new tires that I DON'T NEED!!

W

JohnLocke88

Smoking doesn't CAUSE lung cancer, or heart disease, it causes an increased RISK.

Learn about causation versus correlation.

With that, time for this thread to die.

Systems

Exactly what are we smoking?

Chuck

sucks2beme

Smoking is a nasty habit that shortens your life and ruins your health.
I don't care who smokes where, as long as it's outdoors or away from me.
I don't want anyone to legislate it out of existance, because God only knows
where they'll draw the line, red meat, caffeine, alcohol, etc.
Still, not as nasty as chew. Can I have your gear when you die?:D

steveinaz

The last time I perused the US Constitution, I didn't notice seperate rights for smokers and non-smokers; maybe I need to read it again?

Legislation has been passed, rules are in place---anything else is simply whining by the intolerant at this point. Public domain is PUBLIC domain, you'll have to tolerate the fat, the smoker, the bad breathed, the smelly, the skinny, the red haired, the blonde haired, the handicapped, the whiney anti-smoker, etc, etc. Get a life and move on....

steveinaz

ohskigod wrote: »

truth be told, I have a problem with smokers dictating where I can and cant go under this argument. basically what your saying is the minority number of smokers fully dictate where the non smokers can and can not eat (well, those that don't feel like breathing in something that will kill them and make them smell like an ashtray)

But as a smoker I cannot smoke in any restaurant, bar, indoor venue of any kind--and that's OK? So it's not fair when you're denied access somewhere, but it's cool if it's a smoker being denied access. Nice.

Just a touch self-centered, dontcha think? OH..that's right..smokers are 2nd class citizens, I forgot.

The problem is the is no compromise. As smokers we are OUT of bars, restaurants, work places, most hotels, most rental cars, airplanes--hell most airports, theaters, etc, etc. Now the antis want to target the outdoors? Sorry but as long as I help pay the taxes that support those public places, I've got just as much right to be there as you.

God this country reminds of the movie "Demolition Man"; "salt is bad for you, hence, illegal." :rolleyes:

AsSiMiLaTeD

Here's the way I see it.

Something that is harmful to other people in a public environment should not be allowed, plain and simple. Fat people, people with bad breath, the smelly, the skinny, and everything else steve mentioned above - not of those hurt me.

Having said that, I've not researched much, and I don't know if there's any proof that smoking causes harm to other people - so I can't form an intelligent opinion one way or the other about where it should be allowed.

They passed the restaurant law a few years back here, and while I'm not sure where I stand on the subject, it is nice to be able to eat in a restaurant and not have to endure the smell of smoke while I eat.

steveinaz

...and a guy standing 20 ft from you in a park smoking a cigarette isn't hurting you either. Show me a single study. It's PURE BS. This is an issue of "control" and the anti's know it. They simply want "US" out the "THEIR" parks--plain and **** simple. THEY can kiss my ****, I helped fund that goddamn park.

The laws have gone from reasonable and prudent to STUPIDITY, based on ignorance and fear. That's what smoking Americans have a problem with.

concealer404

I'm a smoker, and i'll be honest, i have absolutely no problem with the restaurant ban....

The bar ban? It's stupid.... But i can live with it.

If it goes farther, though, i'm going to lose it. I work at a "smoke free!!!" workplace, and i can even deal with that, even if it means i have to walk a couple hundred yards off the premises to keep my sanity after a rough couple hours of people screaming at me.

If it gets worse? I'll lose it.

I don't smoke so much for the addiction. (Although i'll admit that's not helping things) I have no problem quitting anything when i want, i quit for 3 years cold turkey with no problems at all. Now, i do it to force myself to get away from whatever is bugging me, spend 10 minutes just thinking, calming down, freshening up my mind before i go back into the front line.

Same thing... working on my car... i get frustrated, i step back, have a smoke, and think about it rather than just pounding the crap out of the car with a hammer.

Sure, there's more constructive ways to do this, but you know what? I'm not worried about it.

steveinaz

If you have ever sat around the campfire or grilled a steak, you've exposed yourself to far more harmful things--but that's ok, right? Should I be able to run you out of the city park when you fire up the grill?

Gimme a frickin break. It's rediculous, and every damn one of you know it.

sucks2beme

And what's strange is some of the same guys trying to outright ban
tobacco are all for grass. There are a couple of European countries that
have gone this route.

AsSiMiLaTeD

Like i said, if your smoking doesn't hurt me, then I don't have any basis to ask you not to do it around me.

My logic is really simple and easy to follow: Does what I do have an adverse impact on other people? If not, then I should be allowed to do it.

That's also the basis for my disagreement with laws such as having to wear my seatbelt. Me wearing my seatbelt only affects me, it has absolutely no impact on someone else, so I don't feel like I should be told whether or not i have to wear a seatbelt.

If you're telling me that second hand smoke doesn't affect my health, then I suppose I have no basis to tell you not to do it. But then again, you can't tell me that I have to wear clothes in public, becuase me walking around naked isn't bad for your health either...

JohnLocke88

steveinaz wrote: »

But as a smoker I cannot smoke in any restaurant, bar, indoor venue of any kind--and that's OK? So it's not fair when you're denied access somewhere, but it's cool if it's a smoker being denied access. Nice.

Just a touch self-centered, dontcha think? OH..that's right..smokers are 2nd class citizens, I forgot.

The problem is the is no compromise. As smokers we are OUT of bars, restaurants, work places, most hotels, most rental cars, airplanes--hell most airports, theaters, etc, etc. Now the antis want to target the outdoors? Sorry but as long as I help pay the taxes that support those public places, I've got just as much right to be there as you.

God this country reminds of the movie "Demolition Man"; "salt is bad for you, hence, illegal." :rolleyes:

All restaurants are Taco Bell; which is good for you in the future.

JohnLocke88

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

That's also the basis for my disagreement with laws such as having to wear my seatbelt. Me wearing my seatbelt only affects me, it has absolutely no impact on someone else, so I don't feel like I should be told whether or not i have to wear a seatbelt.

Provided your bonded for the amount of money it takes to clean your body off the road when you get into an accident, I'm all for that. Maintaining control of your car is the best way to prevent an accident, fatal or otherwise, and the best way to do that is to have on a seat belt. Plus, many uninsured motorists do this, using the same argument, and then end up sticking up the taxpayers, you and me, with the medical bills.

demaples

My 2 cents worth:
I quit about 16 years ago however when they did the restaurant ban here in Florida I thought it should be left up to the business owner and it would be posted if it was a smoking or non smoking establishment leaving it up the the customer as to whether they wanted to do business in either environment.

tryrrthg

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

That's also the basis for my disagreement with laws such as having to wear my seatbelt. Me wearing my seatbelt only affects me, it has absolutely no impact on someone else, so I don't feel like I should be told whether or not i have to wear a seatbelt.

That is not true. Your auto insurance premiums are a dispersion of risk. Whether you like it or not you are paying for other people's claims. All the money collected by the insurance company goes to paying out claims. If more money is paid out in claims than premiums are collected, rates go up. Insurance premiums for everyone would go through the roof without seatbelt laws because a lot more people would be getting seriously hurt or dying in car accidents.

demaples

Works the same with motorcycle helmets...

tonyb

demaples wrote: »

My 2 cents worth:
I quit about 16 years ago however when they did the restaurant ban here in Florida I thought it should be left up to the business owner and it would be posted if it was a smoking or non smoking establishment leaving it up the the customer as to whether they wanted to do business in either environment.

Now here is a logical answer.......but wait,thats how it used to be! Never saw anything wrong with it as it pleased both sides.Nope,not good enough for the well do'ers of society.Taxes are detrimental to the well being of most,how about we ban them? Cars?? Exhaust fumes bother me,lets ban them.Planes? Ban 'em.It's all about "choice" friends,and if the do gooders of the world have their way,you will have none.

krabby5

George Grand wrote: »

The next time I'm sitting in public seating in a public venue, with some fat son-of-a-**** next to me halfway into my seat, and he or she's NOT persecuted for it, I'll remember this thread.

Oh believe me...they are persecuted for being fat...look how they are treated...

AsSiMiLaTeD

Well if you guys are going to hold me to the letter on the seatbelt thing, then the same can be said for anything. People shouldn't be allowed to be fat or out of shape because their medical expenses could be passed on to me, everyone should be in top physical shape and not allowed to eat foods that could make them sick because those medical costs could be passed along to me, yadda yaddda etc etc.

You guys missed the 'spirit' of my post - me not wearing a seatbelt does not have a direct impact on someone else's health...jeezus....

DarqueKnight

JohnLocke88 wrote: »

Smoking doesn't CAUSE lung cancer, or heart disease, it causes an increased RISK.

That's so true! My father smoked for decades and never contracted lung cancer or heart disease.

His death was caused by emphysema.

AsSiMiLaTeD

As for tobacco vs the 'other stuff' - I've heard on multiple occasions that tobacco is actually worse for you than mj.

I find that hard to believe, but apparently some people subscribe to that theory. So why is one illegal and noth the other?

sucks2beme

demaples wrote: »

Works the same with motorcycle helmets...

So why does not wearing a seatbelt in Tejas get a $200 fine, but not
wearing a helmet is ok? These guys are going to die for sure if they
dump at road speed. No helmet is a 100 times more risky than no seatbelt.
What we have is selective enforcement. I think this is the real problem.
I didn't mind the first smoking laws, but now it's getting stupid.
They have proposed jail time of a year and a big fine for selling
violent video games to minors. WTF? Since when did the do gooders
decide that transfat and video games were a problem that needed
to be fixed big time? "What are you in for?" "I sold GTA4 to a minor."
Remember when you were young and you thought the stuff society
felt was evil was skewed? Now that those boomers are in charge,
things are even more skewed.