Is there ANYPLACE left to smoke in peace!!!

candyliquor35m

I would like a casino 5-10 minutes from my house but the gov't says it's addictive and too dangerous.

a. The gov't decides bars are bad and does away with them completely.
b. The gov't allows bars but regulates them accordingly.

I choose option b and casinos don't even cause cancer

tonyb

treitz.....and you'll find out quick it's all about the money,they could give a rats **** if you died today or tomarrow.

Shack- I think your under the illusion that the "public majority" rules.Not so.Then let the public vote on issues,not some politician who swings the way the money flows.Example would be **** marriage.If the general public voted,and the majority said it's in the public interest to forbid it,that should be the end of it,right? Nope,there is a adgenda going on and the public interest ranks down on the totem pole.Special interest and their coin is the real public majority.

treitz3

Oh, I know Tony. If I marched up to the Supreme Court and actually proposed this, the oil industry would off me in about a month. It is about the $$$. If it wasn't, then we wouldn't be dependent on foreign oil and we would all be driving "green" cars [not to mention our economy just might be better].

My post does make a good point though. The non-smokers are complaining that we [smokers] are causing health problems via second hand smoke and they have the skewed data to back it up. Well, I can also produce skewed data that proves that vehicle emissions are affecting health [ask someone who lives in Hong Kong or L.A.] worldwide.

It's ridiculous to me that the non-smokers play the "my health is compromised" card when dealing with those that prefer to smoke, yet at the same time vehicles and the emissions that are just as bad, if not worse than second hand smoke continues.

I've never gotten "second hand smoke poisoning".

Some people's priorities are not what I would consider "normal". Convenient for them, perhaps, but not normal.

shawn474

Wow, treitz. I guess smoking doesn't cause cancer either. Talk about being under an illusion. The fact that you actually believe that second hand smoke effects are a byproduct of skewed data shows a lot. It's a common courtesy more than anything. Facts remain that smokers choose to basically poison themselves. That's their decision. I choose to partake in a few (or many) adult beverages responsibly. I know that it may damage my liver, but a risk I am willing to take. I don't shove it down other people's throats so as to make that decision for them.

Your car analogy is laughable. I (as well as the majority of the civilized world) choose to drive a car because it is convenient and a NECESSITY. I don't choose to suck on the tailpipe in my closed garage and invite the neighbors over to join in.

So, the rest of the ignorant, lying public should have to put up with 2nd hand smoke because it denies your civil rights? :rolleyes: Give me a break, man. I am through with this.

obieone

If places like 'The Peoples Republic of Taxatwosh*ts' want to impress me with their 'enlightened' view of whats best for the public, then they'll pass Jessicas law!
Right now they're just another state with FREE ranging PEDOPHILES!
And ONE butt wipe is holding up the law-Eugene Flaherty! I hope someone shoots this POS!

treitz3

shawn474 wrote:

Wow, treitz. I guess smoking doesn't cause cancer either. Talk about being under an illusion. The fact that you actually believe that second hand smoke effects are a byproduct of skewed data shows a lot. It's a common courtesy more than anything. Facts remain that smokers choose to basically poison themselves. That's their decision. I choose to partake in a few (or many) adult beverages responsibly. I know that it may damage my liver, but a risk I am willing to take. I don't shove it down other people's throats so as to make that decision for them.

Smoking causes Cancer. I never said it didn't. No illusion here, just reality. I understand the facts and I accept them and yes, we choose to poison ourselves as a legal right of this country. I also drink as a legal right of this country.

As for the shoving down people's throats statement....look man, typically I'm not one to argue, but look at it from a smoker's perspective. It is being shoved down our throat that what we do is socially unacceptable, a health hazard and flat out rude if we "dare" to smoke in anything other than confined airspace. From what I have been reading, my take is that the "health" concerns are from second hand smoke. The point that I made was that the emissions from exhaust from combustible engines cause more of a health risk that second hand smoke. I know of that first hand, granted the carbon monoxide poisoning was short term and both second hand smoke and emissions are both long term.

shawn474 wrote:

Your car analogy is laughable. I (as well as the majority of the civilized world) choose to drive a car because it is convenient and a NECESSITY.

So, what I'm getting out of this statement is that since cars are convenient [and no, they are not necessary....they have only been around for 140 years or so in the whole grand scheme of things] and even though I went without one for 14 years [no ****], you still call it a necessary "convenience" and the folks that don't "NEED" a car just have to put up with your convenience and "second hand pollution", if you will. Give me a break hypocrite.

shawn474 wrote:

So, the rest of the ignorant, lying public should have to put up with 2nd hand smoke because it denies your civil rights?

I'm not saying that. Manners and common courtesy with smoking should be followed. Being polite and being a gentleman or gentlewoman should always be the norm, although unfortunately this is quite often ignored.

But, on the flip-side just for the sake of argument.....should my health be less of an issue because you deem driving a "necessity" when in all actuality it is a convenience that makes the air I breathe 24/7 have the same "quality" that second hand smoke delivers? Oh, forgot...because it's your civil right to drive a car?

If someone were to deny your "civil" right to drive a car because the emissions [like in a city such as L.A.] present a health hazard worse than second hand smoke, would you not be fighting for your "right" to drive?

I thought so.

Well, I'm fighting for my right to smoke. I will be polite. I will be courteous. I will be a gentleman, however when you tell me that I have limitations that have been growing exponentially since I was born and the movement keeps going toward further restrictions? I'm sorry, but I choose to smoke [for now] and that's my right.

You choose to drive a car, and that's your right. I get it. What I don't get is that they both hold a health hazard and since the combustible engine makes it "convenient" for you [disregarding my health], then it's ok. BUT, if I choose to light up, all of a sudden there's an issue?

Uh,huh. Your health must be more important than mine. :rolleyes:

shawn474

I'm not trying to start a fight here and I really do appreciate your rights as a smoker. I just feel that your rights as a smoker should be confined to where it does not affect anyone else. However, equating smoking and driving a car as two in the same is ludicrous. We are just going to have to politely agree to disagree here.

I see my car as a necessity because I live 50 miles from work, which I have to do to provide food and shelter (among the other luxuries that we enjoy) for my family. I can't very well drive a horse and buggy and by your standards people who use public transportation are contributing to the emmissions as well.

How do you think driving has evolved? When cars were first made, I am pretty sure they didn't have turn signals, brake lights, etc. When people started getting into accidents, they had to make a way for cars to be safer. Laws were made to use your signals to change lanes. Stop signs. Air bags. All to make people safer. Ultimately, it's your choice to abide by the laws of the road. Smoking has evolved the same way. It used to be that you could smoke anywhere you wanted, until 2nd hand smoke was proven to be a health hazard. Now they are placing restrictions on it to allow you to still smoke, allbeit in designated areas. I don't see that as a bad thing.

Conversely, I will be one of the main people to say "Hell no, that's not fair" if big brother ever outlaws smoking altogether (which will never happen in our lifetime).

And by the way, I am concerned about your health. So quit smoking!;)

nms

Somebody shoot this damn thread in the head, please.

ninerbj

I say we roll up the thread and smoke it!

exalted512

ninerbj wrote: »

I say we roll up the thread and smoke it!

Not in the forum! Its a public place.
-Cody

treitz3

I dunno, if I had a private club that was open to the public on a membership basis.....

I would expect the right to make my own decision as to allow smoking or not. IMO, that should be up to the property owner to decide. If it's prejudice, then those that are offended need not come. Simple as that. Gov'mnt need not apply.

nms

exalted512 wrote: »

Not in the forum! Its a public place.
-Cody

But your secondhand smoke won't travel over the internets (on purpose) wires, so smoke all you want, you're not harming me!

exalted512

Actually, its been proven that distance doesn't matter.
-Cody

tonyb

exalted512 wrote: »

Actually, its been proven that distance doesn't matter.
-Cody

Well,according to the CDC that shack quoted.I guess that also means there is no safe distance for a **** too.:)

Demiurge

shawn474 wrote: »

And by the way, I am concerned about your health. So quit smoking!;)

I'm not sure if you're responding to anyone specific, but speaking for myself, I am not a smoker. Thanks for your concern, though.

This issue really has nothing to do with smoking when you get down to the brass tacks. Food is now starting to receive the same treatment as tobacco products, which I have alluded to previously. It's going to be interesting to see how you all change your tunes as the incrementalism slowly cracks down on fatty and sugary foods and fat people. It's already happening.

Do a Google search on 'Fat Tax'.

tonyb

Demi-great point.As the issue goes way beyond smoking.Soon you will see your local eatery not being able to cook with butter or other designated fatty products.Bakery's and ice cream stores will pay higher taxes for their contribution to overweight americans.
So much for freedom of choice I guess.Do you really want government to control every aspect of your life? The trend is a little unnerving to me.If you ask any reasonable person about society today,they will fondly recall a time in the past when life was good.Know why it was good? Less regulation,less government involvement,more freedom of choice.Buisnesses were encouraged to grow,not taxed to high heaven for being sucessfull.Schools taught the basics without agenda's.Sure,everything evolves over time,but not all things should.Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.Off the soap box,have a good one all.

zombie boy 2000

"Smoke 'em, if you got 'em." - Rick Moranis

shadowofnight

Another reason I became a craigslist shopper vs. Ebay was because I bought an amplifier on Ebay , and when I opened the extremely well packed unit I had to take 3 steps back.

It smelled like someone had somehow captured the smoke from a couple of nightclubs and condensed it into this amp. It was perfect visualy and sonically ....it just smelled horrible. I gave it away to one of my smoking buddies, and now understand what it means when you see ads pushing " Used in a smoke free environment "

bobman1235

shadowofnight wrote: »

Another reason I became a craigslist shopper vs. Ebay was because I bought an amplifier on Ebay , and when I opened the extremely well packed unit I had to take 3 steps back.

How does craigslist vs ebay help this? Just because of local pickup?

shadowofnight

bobman1235 wrote: »

How does craigslist vs ebay help this? Just because of local pickup?

Of course....I can test visually/sonically/And with da nose before purchasing. I honest to God did not think it was possible for a piece of gear to retain THAT much cigarette smell.

candyliquor35m

shadowofnight wrote: »

Another reason I became a craigslist shopper vs. Ebay was because I bought an amplifier on Ebay , and when I opened the extremely well packed unit I had to take 3 steps back.

It smelled like someone had somehow captured the smoke from a couple of nightclubs and condensed it into this amp. It was perfect visualy and sonically ....it just smelled horrible. I gave it away to one of my smoking buddies, and now understand what it means when you see ads pushing " Used in a smoke free environment "

I've had this happen a couple of times. The smoke smell eventually goes away. I didn't complain to the seller because he had done a excellent packing job and the cdp worked fine. When I re-used the packing material for another sale, I warned the buyer that the box would smell like smoke.

scottnbnj

shack wrote: »

...from the CDC in 2006:

...In fact, one in every five deaths in the United States is smoking related. ...

oh brother.

... and,uh, ~in fact~ the big, full, accurate sound that comes out of those little magic cubes is soooo amazing too.

maybe just me, but, it sort of makes me wonder what sort of voodoo the cdc had to conjure to come up with the rest of their amazing ,er, ~facts~.

)

shadowofnight

candyliquor35m wrote: »

I've had this happen a couple of times. The smoke smell eventually goes away. I didn't complain to the seller because he had done a excellent packing job and the cdp worked fine. When I re-used the packing material for another sale, I warned the buyer that the box would smell like smoke.

I figured it would probably go away in time, but my friend had been wanting one of these anyways so I just killed 2 birds with one stone. I didnt even want a faint smell of that in my house, and it was a lot more then faint.

Demiurge

tonyb wrote: »

Demi-great point.As the issue goes way beyond smoking.Soon you will see your local eatery not being able to cook with butter or other designated fatty products.Bakery's and ice cream stores will pay higher taxes for their contribution to overweight americans.
So much for freedom of choice I guess.Do you really want government to control every aspect of your life? The trend is a little unnerving to me.If you ask any reasonable person about society today,they will fondly recall a time in the past when life was good.Know why it was good? Less regulation,less government involvement,more freedom of choice.Buisnesses were encouraged to grow,not taxed to high heaven for being sucessfull.Schools taught the basics without agenda's.Sure,everything evolves over time,but not all things should.Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.Off the soap box,have a good one all.

treitz3

Well, I just found out that we can't smoke in our privately owned pool. It's outside and quite large for the community. No notice was given and when asked for a reason, they said that "You wouldn't BELIEVE" how many people complained about smoking at the pool. Who decided? 4 members of the HOA. Good thing that there is a vote this month to elect new members. Most of the neighborhood, including the non-smokers disagree with this ruling.

It's outside. I repeat. It's outside. Even at the busiest times, maybe 15 folks are at the pool at any given time. That leaves about 30-35 available chairs and lounges to sit at. Personally, I think it's BS. If you are caught smoking within the pool areas, you are banned from the pool for a year, which I think is more BS. To top off the BS, they want you to smoke out in front of the pool house.....right next to three gardens all lined with highly flammable pine needles. No ashtray has been provided. Yeah, we have a real smart HOA folks. Real smart.

BaggedLancer

treitz3 wrote: »

Well, I just found out that we can't smoke in our privately owned pool. It's outside and quite large for the community. No notice was given and when asked for a reason, they said that "You wouldn't BELIEVE" how many people complained about smoking at the pool. Who decided? 4 members of the HOA. Good thing that there is a vote this month to elect new members. Most of the neighborhood, including the non-smokers disagree with this ruling.

It's outside. I repeat. It's outside. Even at the busiest times, maybe 15 folks are at the pool at any given time. That leaves about 30-35 available chairs and lounges to sit at. Personally, I think it's BS. If you are caught smoking within the pool areas, you are banned from the pool for a year, which I think is more BS. To top off the BS, they want you to smoke out in front of the pool house.....right next to three gardens all lined with highly flammable pine needles. No ashtray has been provided. Yeah, we have a real smart HOA folks. Real smart.

I'd listen to them and throw one right in the pine needles. Watch how fast they change their minds.

F1nut

Stand outside the fence, right next to the pool and make sure the offended people are downwind.

bigaudiofanatic

Ha I hope the band it everywhere I hate smoking. Band IT band it ALL. Not good for anyone.

George Grand

I try to abide by all the rules. It does make sense that I shouldn't smoke in a restaurant, and it doesn't make sense that I shouldn't smoke in a bar, but that's the law so I don't. I don't go into bars a lot so that's an easy one. Outdoors at athletic fields makes sense, I don't want to leave a bad impression on young athletes. I think that over time it will be more accepted by us smokers. Give us a break, it was only about 10-15 years ago that we pretty much ruled the world, and it was our ashtray. We need more time to acclimate. At one point in time it wasn't illegal to stab somebody, and yea, stabbings were rife. After formal laws came into play, over the centuries man slowly accepted this dictum, and now it is only the hardcorest among us that still subscribe to the blade.

We got the fattest-**** country anywhere. If they find life on Mars there's no doubt in my mind we will be fatter than them too. Here we are in Hog Central, where I think 80% of the pop is obese, and that 80% is telling me my second-hand smoke might kill them. If you didn't already know better, you'd swear that someone who couldn't overcome their own shortcomings was trying to dictate how I'll overcome mine.


I'm with the band.

F1nut

Band it??? I'm sure you meant ban. Anyway, the problem with all this ban this, ban that is that the next thing some PC fool wants to ban is going to be something YOU like to do. Slippery slope and all that, ya know!