Is there ANYPLACE left to smoke in peace!!!
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Is there anything else that makes more sense? Do the research and THEN tell me to STFU.treitz, stfu with the exhaust thing.......not that i'm saying you can't have an opinion......but repeating it 15 times in a thread makes it kind of stupid sounding...........~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
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Stupid is as stupid does.......
Quit bitching about my habit when your so called "necessity" takes preference over mine.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Here Steve, have mine.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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This thread could be shown as a shining example of "circular argument."
Obviously no minds are going to be changed here.If you will it, dude, it is no dream. -
Pretty much.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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Smoking is all fine in my books, until it violates others rights. If you put out your cigarette when asked to do so, you're ok. If you refuse because "it's your right to smoke" then you're pretty much an arsehole. I don't smoke but I've put out many cigarettes when the smoker has refused to do so. Outside, even when close, it really doesn't bother me personally.
Smoking in a car where non-smokers are present, very selfish unless everyone is ok with it. While kids in the car, simply unexcusable. It's one thing to smoke even indoors when the area is large and somewhat ventilated, but in a small closed area where the smoke fills the whole area in an instant, that's another. You can argue all you want about the health risks but you can't argue about the discomfort it causes a non-smokers. You as a smoker most likely are so used to the smoke that you don't realize how bad it feels. -
Why would you think it's a stretch?
The PPM [Parts per million] that we all inhale, would it be more or less? Second hand smoke or vehicle emissions? [concentrated areas aside....which we have been banned from]
Not trying to confront. Just understand.
I wasn't saying it's a stretch to compare which one is worse for you, I was trying to say that it's a stretch to compare something that is essential to the world we live in vs. a bad habit.Speakers: Polk LSi15
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It's your necessity too treitz 3, you already said you drive. If pollution caused by smoking and pollution caused by driving are equivalent, you are essentially the smoker telling others not to smoke.
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Airplay355 wrote: »It's your necessity too treitz 3, you already said you drive. If pollution caused by smoking and pollution caused by driving are equivalent, you are essentially the smoker telling others not to smoke.
Pollution caused by smoking is no where near the amount caused by driving. Not even close.
I drive less than 6,000 miles a year, so we should set a limit of 6,000 miles a year. No one needs to drive more than that, after all, I don't. Pollution will decrease, and we will not only save lives, but the entire planet! -
Apparently you didn't understand......your point has been made.........over 10 times...........think that people won't hear you until you say it another 5 times? thus stfu........we heardStupid is as stupid does.......
Quit bitching about my habit when your so called "necessity" takes preference over mine.
That has nothing to do with anyone's opinion taking "precedence" (not preference) over yours.........comment comment comment comment. bitchy. -
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Seriously, we're no further along than we were two pages into this thread...
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I know William, I just meant that treitz3's argument is we should all driving because it's hazardous to his health yet he already admitted he wouldn't be able to stop driving himself. Just seems like a strange argument to make...that's all.
And it's not so much as how many miles people drive but the cars they drive them in. -
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This is the thread that never ends, it just goes on and and on again.
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Airplay355 wrote: »I know William, I just meant that treitz3's argument is we should all driving because it's hazardous to his health yet he already admitted he wouldn't be able to stop driving himself. Just seems like a strange argument to make...that's all.
And it's not so much as how many miles people drive but the cars they drive them in.
Well I drive a compact car, gets 35mpg on the highway. So if we limit driving to 6000 miles a year, and ban all cars that get less than 35 mpg highway, no one will need to stop driving. See, the solution is so easy!;) -
This argument? [back on page 4] Here, I'll quote myself.Airplay355 wrote: »I know William, I just meant that treitz3's argument is we should all driving because it's hazardous to his health yet he already admitted he wouldn't be able to stop driving himself. Just seems like a strange argument to make...that's all.
"It's ridiculous to me that the non-smokers play the "my health is compromised" card when dealing with those that prefer to smoke, yet at the same time vehicles and the emissions that are just as bad, if not worse than second hand smoke continues.
I've never gotten "second hand smoke poisoning"."
Up until I was 32 years of age, I had only driven for 3 years. Yes, I have to drive today because my line of work [self-employed] requires that I carry close to 10,000 lbs of crap with me everyday. It's not as if I could use a horse or a donkey. Still, I could sell the business and go right on back to what I was doing before.
I have been recently told to STFU for the very first time on any forum that I have been on on this thread. You want me to STFU?
Then the whiners and complainers who play the "my health is compromised" cards STFU as well. You want to **** about something worth bitching about? Well, find something worthy of bitching about and leave me the F alone when I go to light up. It wasn't too god awfully long ago that the non-smokers were told to STFU when they complained. Cut the smokers some slack and quit telling us that we can only smoke in a corn field out in F'n Kansas.
If I feel like smoking at the pool when no one is around me within a 40' span, then STFU about your F'd up rules stating that I can't F'n smoke on my own f'n property! THAT's why I'm a little bit passionate about this.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
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FWIW, smoking will be permitted (in fact, encouraged) in the 70's MANCAVE.
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anyone else need to hear the same stuff repeated? sheesh.........i'm out.comment comment comment comment. bitchy.
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Pollution from driving isn't a big deal to politicians. After electric cars were proven to be a very viable option, they were scrapped once people realized how much money they would loose (oil industry, auto industry, politicians who get "donations" from the auto and oil industries)
For info on that there is a very good documentary titled "who killed the electric car." At least Tesla is producing them and the **** are putting out the hybrids.
Honestly though, as a smoker, I have no problem having to go outside for a smoke, especially at a restaurant. Heavy smoke indoors is disgusting even to me. Combining that with food is just wrong and always has been. My problem with smoking bans can be outlined with this example:
A local tobacco shop we have specializes is selling Cuban cigars and pipe tobacco. They have a little lounge area surrounded by walk-in humidors where you could sit down, enjoy your cigar (with a drink even) and play cards with other people who share a common love for cigars. This shop caters only to smokers. Someone who was there just to purchase a gift for a smoker didn't even have to leave the front office which was completely smoke free. Once the ban went into place, I would see the owner sitting outside in a chair, by himself, enjoying a cigar in a way he doesn't want to.
Even when something is labeled as being bad by a majority, there are always going to be exceptions. Why can't a more detailed law be put in place that could please even more people (in this case giving the smokers their place where we can all kill ourselves together). I guess all you need is 50.1% to be re-elected right? People who say "ban it everywhere" simply don't know what it is like to be a smoker and refuse to even try to see the world through a smokers eyes. These people will become the smoker once something they have grown accustomed to is outlawed.
I hope that someday I will see more people trying to understand each other before simply casting judgment based on what is best for THEMSELVES! Smoking is the issue of the moment, but how will everyone feel when the next issue comes up in similar fashion?
(btw, most smokers I know think it is a disgusting habit and don't want to see any non-smoker take it up. None of us smoke near kids even if it is outside and none of us smoke in cars when a non-smoker is present unless they don't mind. All smokers I know are in favor of banning smoking indoors (for the most part), but still wish that there were a couple bars or other venues where smoking would be allowed.) -
I understand the bar/private shop completely. I could do what someone else suggested and avoid bars or places that permit smoking just as a smoker could avoid those that don't allow it.
The thing I like about the ban is people can't smoke at work or at a place like the DMV where you'd be forced to go. -
There's no issue with that among most smokers. We can accept that.Airplay355 wrote: »The thing I like about the ban is people can't smoke at work or at a place like the DMV where you'd be forced to go.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
And what about the airports?!? They put you in a smokers aquarium. Little plexi glass box that everyone has to cram into.
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Pollution from driving isn't a big deal to politicians. After electric cars were proven to be a very viable option, they were scrapped once people realized how much money they would loose (oil industry, auto industry, politicians who get "donations" from the auto and oil industries)
I've yet to have someone show me a viable solution for the electric car if you're driving more than say, 300 miles.
Awesome, so I can drive 300 miles, and then have to stop for 5 hours while my car charges up, then I can go 300 more miles! Woohoo!
Sorry, off-topic, but that topic is so often ignored when people talk about how the electric car is such a magical solution.If you will it, dude, it is no dream. -
Well, hell. I'm a smoker and those rooms with not one ounce of ventilation gets me to WANT to stop smoking. It sucks, but that's what we have been reduced too. At least at the airports....IF they even allow it to begin with.And what about the airports?!? They put you in a smokers aquarium. Little plexi glass box that everyone has to cram into.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
bobman,
With lithium ion batteries you won't have to wait 5 hours. I think the newer ones can charge to 80% in 15 minutes or so and then the remaining 20% takes 3 hours or something like that. I also think the electric cars they are developing now have both an electric engine and a gas one so when you run out of juice you can use gas. I could be wrong though...
I've never seen a smoker aquarium BTW...what the hell is that? -
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