I Love SL2000 Tweeters

F1nut

aud10n3wb13 wrote: »

Ok. So what does it really do to the tweeter? Just so I know what I will be testing.

Thanks.

A good answer to your question.

ShinAce wrote: »

1) They're not gone, they are attenuated. A little distortion versus a lot of distortion is still distortion. Not only are the 'harsh' highs attenuated, further down the chain the highs are almost missing. You might have substituted a small peak for a big dip.

2) What? Can we be more specific than 'highs'. How about breaking it down to clarity of female vocals, cymbal sounds and snare sounds.

3) Nope, sorry. By adding a cap, you are altering the phase of that tweeter. Chances are, for the worse. This will degrage the soundstage and can affect the frequency response(or mids/vocals as you call them).

How can you say the cap is doing exactly what you want if you are doing a trial and error run? You still have more trials to do before it's over.

aud10n3wb13

Thanks F1Nut. I'll also try to do some radioshack meter reading. I also know my ears are sensitive to changes. We will find out about it once the part arrives.

ShinAce

Here's what you're looking for:

F1nut

Freakwency.........WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

SwedePolk

I don't know. Maybe the combination of defective hearing and a really oddly shaped head could balance out the horrible things you do with frequency and phase by adding the capacitor.

ShinAce

F1nut wrote: »

Freakwency.........WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

lmao, I thought you guys might like that little joke there.

avguytx

ShinAce wrote: »

lmao, I thought you guys might like that little joke there.

It's befitting of the thread.

License2ILL

I beleive in tweaking...and if he wants to do this and he can hear a difference then maybe there is one...if your willing to try it to find out then hop to it..
If not then you incessent lil puritans should all move to Salem and find a witch to torch instead.

All technology is open to upgrades, tweaks, and modifications...it has it's place in the world. It is modifiers, tweakers and upgraders that continually re-design things...of the likes that we are all talking about here.....their designs may have been the best that they could muster back then but not what today can offer. By your pathetic thinking these speakers would have sounded like everyone else for the time period.

If you ppl want to "holy-fy" original setups then remember that is what you do by choice. No one is forcing you to. When car restoration buffs redo a car...it it a prize to a Hot Rodder? no it's a lame stock rebuild with shiny kickplates...who the **** cares about the original 267hp on solid lifters? I want rollers and high ramps and for that matter gut the whole chit out and pop in the latest crate.

The point is it all has it's place and if anything can be called out it should be your lame azz approach which is to sit there and idle with a pile of stock original everythings in your life.....hell do you stroke your wives only in missionary too? we're all sick of republican thinking. The speakers are 20 yrs old...and if someone wants to experiment then so be it. The crossover's I'm more than certain could use modern upgrades....and if you don't want to do it then don't. But your the lame-heads not someone who's interested and takes the time out to at least think about it.

Is it the fact that it's easier and you don't have to think about or do anything??? "lamers are as lamer's do" is that your motto?

This is a free country and he can post whatever he wants......he wasn't posting it as gospel. And you also are not internet deacons....if you don't like a post then don't even drop your chitty post disliking it....just dont post in the thread. God damm O-reilly nutjobs.
Control is the only defense of cowards and weaklings.

Ricardo

License2ILL wrote: »

I beleive in tweaking...and if he wants to do this and he can hear a difference then maybe there is one...if your willing to try it to find out then hop to it..
If not then you incessent lil puritans should all move to Salem and find a witch to torch instead.

All technology is open to upgrades, tweaks, and modifications...it has it's place in the world. It is modifiers, tweakers and upgraders that continually re-design things...of the likes that we are all talking about here.....their designs may have been the best that they could muster back then but not what today can offer. By your pathetic thinking these speakers would have sounded like everyone else for the time period.

If you ppl want to "holy-fy" original setups then remember that is what you do by choice. No one is forcing you to. When car restoration buffs redo a car...it it a prize to a Hot Rodder? no it's a lame stock rebuild with shiny kickplates...who the **** cares about the original 267hp on solid lifters? I want rollers and high ramps and for that matter gut the whole chit out and pop in the latest crate.

The point is it all has it's place and if anything can be called out it should be your lame azz approach which is to sit there and idle with a pile of stock original everythings in your life.....hell do you stroke your wives only in missionary too? we're all sick of republican thinking. The speakers are 20 yrs old...and if someone wants to experiment then so be it. The crossover's I'm more than certain could use modern upgrades....and if you don't want to do it then don't. But your the lame-heads not someone who's interested and takes the time out to at least think about it.

Is it the fact that it's easier and you don't have to think about or do anything??? "lamers are as lamer's do" is that your motto?

This is a free country and he can post whatever he wants......he wasn't posting it as gospel. And you also are not internet deacons....if you don't like a post then don't even drop your chitty post disliking it....just dont post in the thread. God damm O-reilly nutjobs.
Control is the only defense of cowards and weaklings.

And who are you? I guess you live in his neighborhood and you two are buddies against the world?

Or maybe you shared a padded cell somewhere?

****; you have been here a few days and already think you know it all?

Great way of introducing yourself.

ShinAce

One of my childhood dreams is to build a go-kart from a motorcycle engine(roughly 600 cc) . I would waste a bunch of my time and money to go really fast at 3 inches off the ground. Would I have the best time of my life? Yes. Is it a crazy idea? Yes.

Would I suggest others do it? No. That's the problem that I have here. We're trying to take one crazy idea and get peeps to try it with the expectation that it is better.

heiney9

Ricardo, he is the defender of all misguided audio phools like CL35M. He is the sole defender for those "that don't know, don't know they don't know". I believe he wears a cape and tights and some sort of mask.

Know it alls are soooooo boring.

H9

candyliquor35m

License2ILL wrote: »

I beleive in tweaking...and if he wants to do this and he can hear a difference then maybe there is one...if your willing to try it to find out then hop to it..
If not then you incessent lil puritans should all move to Salem and find a witch to torch instead.

All technology is open to upgrades, tweaks, and modifications...it has it's place in the world. It is modifiers, tweakers and upgraders that continually re-design things...of the likes that we are all talking about here.....their designs may have been the best that they could muster back then but not what today can offer. By your pathetic thinking these speakers would have sounded like everyone else for the time period.

If you ppl want to "holy-fy" original setups then remember that is what you do by choice. No one is forcing you to. When car restoration buffs redo a car...it it a prize to a Hot Rodder? no it's a lame stock rebuild with shiny kickplates...who the **** cares about the original 267hp on solid lifters? I want rollers and high ramps and for that matter gut the whole chit out and pop in the latest crate.

The point is it all has it's place and if anything can be called out it should be your lame azz approach which is to sit there and idle with a pile of stock original everythings in your life.....hell do you stroke your wives only in missionary too? we're all sick of republican thinking. The speakers are 20 yrs old...and if someone wants to experiment then so be it. The crossover's I'm more than certain could use modern upgrades....and if you don't want to do it then don't. But your the lame-heads not someone who's interested and takes the time out to at least think about it.

Is it the fact that it's easier and you don't have to think about or do anything??? "lamers are as lamer's do" is that your motto?

This is a free country and he can post whatever he wants......he wasn't posting it as gospel. And you also are not internet deacons....if you don't like a post then don't even drop your chitty post disliking it....just dont post in the thread. God damm O-reilly nutjobs.
Control is the only defense of cowards and weaklings.

I don't know you but I love ya man. I wish I could put this in my signature

candyliquor35m

Lasareath wrote: »

Candy, make me a pair of your special caps and let me know how much they cost with shipping to NJ, I will buy them from you and try them in my SRS 2's and I will report back my findings.

Sal

Sal,

Are your srs 2's original with sl2000's?

I may have 4 caps laying here. If I do they're yours no charge.

I know you may not have the 2's hooked up but if you could play some harsh music on them and cup your hands around each tweeter and listen to see if one tweeter is harsher than the other one (top or bottom) then that is the tweeter we want to target and I may only need to send you 2 caps.

License2ILL

Ricardo wrote: »

Great way of introducing yourself.

I need no introduction my name says it all.

License2ILL

ShinAce wrote: »

One of my childhood dreams is to build a go-kart from a motorcycle engine(roughly 600 cc) . I would waste a bunch of my time and money to go really fast at 3 inches off the ground. Would I have the best time of my life? Yes. Is it a crazy idea? Yes.

Would I suggest others do it? No. That's the problem that I have here. We're trying to take one crazy idea and get peeps to try it with the expectation that it is better.

Wrong again StrokerAce....you see had you lived your dream then you could have been in the market as a provider of custom go-karts...you could have suggested it to others.....and your product line could have made it to be used across all go karts in America.....

And no it's not crazier than ppl on modern crotch-rockets today. No one suggested that it was better it was simply suggested.
I do suggest that you do stop being on your loser streak and live out your little 2 stroke dreams.

ShinAce

We're not arguing 2 stroke versus 4 stroke and business plans.

We're arguing that what is supposedly a fantastic upgrade may not be an upgrade at all.

Apples to apples, please.

F1nut

License2ILL wrote: »

I need no introduction my name says it all.

Sure does. Another putz added to the BOZO list. :rolleyes:

ben62670

License2ILL wrote: »

I beleive in tweaking...and if he wants to do this and he can hear a difference then maybe there is one...if your willing to try it to find out then hop to it..
If not then you incessent lil puritans should all move to Salem and find a witch to torch instead.

All technology is open to upgrades, tweaks, and modifications...it has it's place in the world. It is modifiers, tweakers and upgraders that continually re-design things...of the likes that we are all talking about here.....their designs may have been the best that they could muster back then but not what today can offer. By your pathetic thinking these speakers would have sounded like everyone else for the time period.

If you ppl want to "holy-fy" original setups then remember that is what you do by choice. No one is forcing you to. When car restoration buffs redo a car...it it a prize to a Hot Rodder? no it's a lame stock rebuild with shiny kickplates...who the **** cares about the original 267hp on solid lifters? I want rollers and high ramps and for that matter gut the whole chit out and pop in the latest crate.

The point is it all has it's place and if anything can be called out it should be your lame azz approach which is to sit there and idle with a pile of stock original everythings in your life.....hell do you stroke your wives only in missionary too? we're all sick of republican thinking. The speakers are 20 yrs old...and if someone wants to experiment then so be it. The crossover's I'm more than certain could use modern upgrades....and if you don't want to do it then don't. But your the lame-heads not someone who's interested and takes the time out to at least think about it.

Is it the fact that it's easier and you don't have to think about or do anything??? "lamers are as lamer's do" is that your motto?

This is a free country and he can post whatever he wants......he wasn't posting it as gospel. And you also are not internet deacons....if you don't like a post then don't even drop your chitty post disliking it....just dont post in the thread. God damm O-reilly nutjobs.
Control is the only defense of cowards and weaklings.

4 things things that are facts

1 there is no basement in the Alamo
2 you can't cook crack in a plastic spoon
3 a 2.2uf cap isn't the answer to fixing the bump in an SL2000 tweeter
4 you obviously haven't read up on speaker design.

License2ILL

heiney9 wrote: »

Ricardo, he is the defender of all misguided audio phools like CL35M. He is the sole defender for those "that don't know, don't know they don't know". I believe he wears a cape and tights and some sort of mask.

Know it alls are soooooo boring.

H9

Modifiers and tweakers suggest that we don't know it all....and that by the same token the original designers did not know it all either. We suggest that if we try this or that we can personalize the experience of whatever we tweak if in the least. And in the most which is the case in many modifiers hands.....we can deliver a true upgrade in performance.

On the contrary it is you lame-heads that are boring and know it alls....cuz you suggest to do nothing...becuz the ultimate has already been acheived in your eyes and you know this to be a fact .....only becuz you say so. You are the know it alls.
I've seen ppl like you all my life. Why'd you put a holley 750 double-pumper on your engine? why'd you change over to flowmasters......why'd you convert from points to HEI distributors? Meanwhile ten years later what I did as a kid becomes the new fad...and every little goon who knows not even how things function is copying every other goon. And there you have it...what was once considered stupid and questioned now the mainstream habit...and "cool" too. Hahahaha I have me a good laff....cuz I was making cool a loooooonnnnnggg time ago.
It takes talent and balls to pursue.......none of which lame-heads have.
Again you don't like the topic here so what are you doing here??? no life?
misery? bored? jobless?(you voted for repubs didnt u?)
Go tweak something fool. Learn a skill...outside of pleasing yourselves with your own hands.(thats a mod too...idiot!)

dkg999

Hmmmm, a Queen song seems to running through my head ....... what's that song ...... oh yea "another newbie bites the dust" ....... that must be it

License2 (make others)ILL - you seem to have a challenge with communication skills. You might have some good and valid points in there, but the good things are drowning in a sea of really bad meaningless drival. Clean it up, back it down, try to have a friendly and respectful debate, and maybe others will treat you the same way. You own 50% of the problem and the solution.

License2ILL

Ben,
I never said it was the answer to the bump. Just simply to let him be.
And that ultimately only doing it yourself will let you know what it sounds like...regardless of how it does not make sense on paper.

They make these in pink too i gather that may be the color of choice for some you's from the amount of whining being spewed over such a small easily removed tweak:

http://www.findkitchenware.com/plastic_spoon.htm

Joe08867

License2ILL wrote: »

Modifiers and tweakers suggest that we don't know it all....and that by the same token the original designers did not know it all either. We suggest that if we try this or that we can personalize the experience of whatever we tweak if in the least. And in the most which is the case in many modifiers hands.....we can deliver a true upgrade in performance.

On the contrary it is you lame-heads that are boring and know it alls....cuz you suggest to do nothing...becuz the ultimate has already been acheived in your eyes and you know this to be a fact .....only becuz you say so. You are the know it alls.
I've seen ppl like you all my life. Why'd you put a holley 750 double-pumper on your engine? why'd you change over to flowmasters......why'd you convert from points to HEI distributors? Meanwhile ten years later what I did as a kid becomes the new fad...and every little goon who knows not even how things function is copying every other goon. And there you have it...what was once considered stupid and questioned now the mainstream habit...and "cool" too. Hahahaha I have me a good laff....cuz I was making cool a loooooonnnnnggg time ago.
It takes talent and balls to pursue.......none of which lame-heads have.
Again you don't like the topic here so what are you doing here??? no life?
misery? bored? jobless?(you voted for repubs didnt u?)
Go tweak something fool. Learn a skill...outside of pleasing yourselves with your own hands.(thats a mod too...idiot!)

If he was suggesting an upgrade like your analogy states he would be saying try xy tweeter instead of the SL2000. But he is tweaking the crossover and attenuating it. He isn't changing anything except the volume. and the crossover point.

Your analogy isn't relevant because changing a carb or exhaust on a car is proven to add power or increase mileage. His tweeter tweak is proven not to fix but attenuate. It is a bad idea.

Take it easy man, you will be liked better if you don't fight with everyone.

heiney9

Joe08867 wrote: »

Take it easy man, you will be liked better if you don't fight with everyone.

Based on his attitude and posts so far that's THE only reason he is here. He doesn't want to have a rational discussion or debate he wants to be rude and condescending to all. He has no intention of being rational, civil or productive beyond stirring up the pot. He has absolutely no credibility and never will.

If I were CL35M I'd be ashamed to have him defending me. Of course crackpots tend to stick together.

H9

Joe08867

Yes, birds of a feather, flock together.

ShinAce

Hey guys, I've got this awesome mod that noone has ever tried:
You use 2 resistors to strategically steal some power from the tweeter. It's not Polk kosher, but hey, my ears no longer bleed when I listen to my tunes at 110 dB.

Someone had suggested I turn down the volume to get better sound(something about a reference), but I think they're just trying to **** block my music enjoyment.

Tell me what you think!

p.s. Please don't reply to this post. Seriously.

License2ILL

It doesnt take much time in a place to see the would be connoisseur's in antique thinking...."birds of a feather" hahahha its a bunch of you's coming down on some guy with little red cap...female and male ended...so as to be easily removed from the line.

Rational and civil??? you think that the comments you ppl have made are rational and civil? why not just offer what you can in help and just leave? instead it's been more like a barrage of hounding and hazing.

Popularity contests are for little girls.....do you put on make up too?
I posted matching spoons for your lipsticks earlier.
Either help him or leave quietly....lil puritans.

"Waaaa waaaa.....im so tired of these tweakers and modders and liberals...oh my my my oh my my my. It's beyond everything.."

I've seen in just a few posts here the little burly girls who chime in to say nothing worthwhile to aid....but to disturb someone else's thread with their disapproval. What's the point? you must be bored. if not you wouldn't do it.
If I go somewhere I dont like I walk right out.

I've got an awesome mod too...it's called shut your miserable flaps...and if your bored with yourselves then seek excitement in battery operated devices. ...its 2008 many of you already seem inclined.

zingo

candyliquor35m wrote: »

I don't know you but I love ya man. I wish I could put this in my signature

I don't see why not?

And the pink plastic crack spoon is my favorite bit so far.

ShinAce

License2ILL wrote: »

why not just offer what you can in help and just leave? instead it's been more like a barrage of hounding and hazing.

Great advice; try it.

Joe08867

License2ILL wrote: »

It doesnt take much time in a place to see the would be connoisseur's in antique thinking...."birds of a feather" hahahha its a bunch of you's coming down on some guy with little red cap...female and male ended...so as to be easily removed from the line.

Rational and civil??? you think that the comments you ppl have made are rational and civil? why not just offer what you can in help and just leave? instead it's been more like a barrage of hounding and hazing.

Popularity contests are for little girls.....do you put on make up too?
I posted matching spoons for your lipsticks earlier.
Either help him or leave quietly....lil puritans.

"Waaaa waaaa.....im so tired of these tweakers and modders and liberals...oh my my my oh my my my. It's beyond everything.."

I've seen in just a few posts here the little burly girls who chime in to say nothing worthwhile to aid....but to disturb someone else's thread with their disapproval. What's the point? you must be bored. if not you wouldn't do it.
If I go somewhere I dont like I walk right out.

I've got an awesome mod too...it's called shut your miserable flaps...and if your bored with yourselves then seek excitement in battery operated devices. ...its 2008 many of you already seem inclined.

Two words come to mind when I read your post Hand and Job.

You haven't been here long enough to know how long this BS has been going on. So why don't you just shut your miserable pie hole.

Or better yet let everyone know you are really CL.

candyliquor35m

License2ILL wrote: »

It doesnt take much time in a place to see the would be connoisseur's in antique thinking...."birds of a feather" hahahha its a bunch of you's coming down on some guy with little red cap...female and male ended...so as to be easily removed from the line.

Rational and civil??? you think that the comments you ppl have made are rational and civil? why not just offer what you can in help and just leave? instead it's been more like a barrage of hounding and hazing.

Popularity contests are for little girls.....do you put on make up too?
I posted matching spoons for your lipsticks earlier.
Either help him or leave quietly....lil puritans.

"Waaaa waaaa.....im so tired of these tweakers and modders and liberals...oh my my my oh my my my. It's beyond everything.."

I've seen in just a few posts here the little burly girls who chime in to say nothing worthwhile to aid....but to disturb someone else's thread with their disapproval. What's the point? you must be bored. if not you wouldn't do it.
If I go somewhere I dont like I walk right out.

I've got an awesome mod too...it's called shut your miserable flaps...and if your bored with yourselves then seek excitement in battery operated devices. ...its 2008 many of you already seem inclined.

The Cavalry is here. What took you so long?