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  • ledhed
    ledhed Posts: 1,088
    edited February 2008
    Tony Hawk - NO ONE has ever elevated a sport the way he did, he invented what it is today and is no doubt the greatest skateboarder of all time.

    Now for all you old farts that want a more "real" sport, Michael Schumacher was pretty dominant in F1
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  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited February 2008
    Demiurge wrote: »
    See my point? Great player, but greatest in all of sports? Not a chance, for me it's Tiger all the way, and I think Federer grabs the 2nd spot.

    I was waiting to see if someone would mention him. Thank you much.
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,726
    edited February 2008
    Tony Hawk is bad ****. I remember watching the video of his first 920 - where he tried it and busted like 10 times in a row before finally landing it - to this day one of the coolest things I've ever seen.
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited March 2008
    He did it again...

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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 18,994
    edited March 2008
    We are indeed witnessing one of the greats during our lifetime.
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,726
    edited March 2008
    I think abotu this thread actually every time I see him play. It's just ridiculous really. Sometimes i really wonder if he's just effing with people...
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,726
    edited March 2008
    Ha, see the poll for his greatest accomplishment in that link above, actually the same way I voted as well
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited March 2008
    It's all very clear now...Tiger sold his soul to the devil.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited March 2008
    Doesn't Tiger woods live in Orlando? If so maybe I can post a picture of his house for ya.
    Unless its in a gated area that is :(

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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited March 2008
    disneyjoe7 wrote:
    Doesn't Tiger woods live in Orlando? If so maybe I can post a picture of his house for ya.
    Unless its in a gated area that is :(

    He lives in Isleworth Subdivision, Windermere, Florida. That one may be a little tough to get into. He bought a $38 million dollar home on Jupiter Island, Fl. I've heard he will tear down the structure and build something new.

    He lives here some...

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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited March 2008
    Isleworth is gated but I knew of a painter who worked in there at one time. He lives less then 8 miles from me, so you never know?

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  • mrbigbluelight
    mrbigbluelight Posts: 9,689
    edited March 2008
    GD Tiger Woods is so far beyond GOOD it's .... obscene !
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  • Shizelbs
    Shizelbs Posts: 7,433
    edited March 2008
    I really like how he played that last hole today. I'd love to be that good just for a day.
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  • CAvolleyballguy
    CAvolleyballguy Posts: 156
    edited March 2008
    great thread.

    Im surprised no one pulled this one out yet... One of the best lines I ever heard was..

    You never hear anyone say someone is the "tiger woods" of their sport...But you always hear people say, that they are the MJ of their sport. Gretzky was the MJ of hockey, tiger is the MJ of golf... I think that pretty much settles it....nah...

    Look tiger elevated the attention and the level of play of golf because he got more people into. MJ did the same for sure for Basketball... so on that level they are both equal..

    I worked for nicklaus, and when tiger came on the scene I was a big fan from the get go. His talent is obscene. You have to consider the acceleration of talent in the information age. Golf was so stagnant until tiger came along. The competition Nicklaus faced was pale in comparison to the comp tiger faces now, and it just wasnt nicklaus making it look that way...The talent didnt go as deep into the chart as it does now.

    basketball was stagnant too through the 70s until MJ showed up in the 80s. Now if you are going by just sheer athleticism, basketball players are the modern gladiators. These guys are big, ripped, incredibly athletic. The ability to run and Jump etc. Let's put it this way, remember that fight when the one player punched the guy that came out of the stands, and knocked his chubby **** out... these guys are big, fast and strong. Now consider that MJ dominated people in that sport like no one else....and i think the answer is pretty clear.. Tiger is the MJ of golf.. and nobody uses another person's name to compare MJ to basketball.

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  • jabrax
    jabrax Posts: 315
    edited March 2008
    CAvolleyballguy wrote: »
    great thread.

    Im surprised no one pulled this one out yet... One of the best lines I ever heard was..

    You never hear anyone say someone is the "tiger woods" of their sport...But you always hear people say, that they are the MJ of their sport. Gretzky was the MJ of hockey, tiger is the MJ of golf... I think that pretty much settles it....nah...

    Look tiger elevated the attention and the level of play of golf because he got more people into. MJ did the same for sure for Basketball... so on that level they are both equal..

    I worked for nicklaus, and when tiger came on the scene I was a big fan from the get go. His talent is obscene. You have to consider the acceleration of talent in the information age. Golf was so stagnant until tiger came along. The competition Nicklaus faced was pale in comparison to the comp tiger faces now, and it just wasnt nicklaus making it look that way...The talent didnt go as deep into the chart as it does now.

    basketball was stagnant too through the 70s until MJ showed up in the 80s. Now if you are going by just sheer athleticism, basketball players are the modern gladiators. These guys are big, ripped, incredibly athletic. The ability to run and Jump etc. Let's put it this way, remember that fight when the one player punched the guy that came out of the stands, and knocked his chubby **** out... these guys are big, fast and strong. Now consider that MJ dominated people in that sport like no one else....and i think the answer is pretty clear.. Tiger is the MJ of golf.. and nobody uses another person's name to compare MJ to basketball.

    advantage Mr. Jordan

    MJ was before Tiger.....If tiger was before MJ?

    I'm just saying :D
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  • shadowofnight
    shadowofnight Posts: 2,735
    edited March 2008
    jabrax wrote: »
    MJ was before Tiger.....If tiger was before MJ?

    I'm just saying :D

    Still....advantage Jordan. No question....
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,726
    edited March 2008
    Someone brought it up before, maybe in this thread. I'd have to give the advantage to Tiger. There's one key difference in my mind:

    MJ had a team around him. Sure Tiger has his caddy and coach, but it's obviously different. MJ could have a bad day or a bad week and his team could still win. If Tiger has a bad day, he doesn't have a team to win it for him.

    I know that's comparing apples to oranges because of the nature of the two sports, but that's how it is. Could MJ have excelled in a single player sport like golf? maybe, probably, but we'll never really know. With Tiger we know, because he's done it again and again.
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  • janmike
    janmike Posts: 6,146
    edited March 2008
    It just doesn't get any better. Watching him play on Sunday was just amazing whether is was this year or years ago.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited March 2008
    The fact that MJ had a team elevates him IMO. Tiger has no one else to deal with but himself. All he has to do is play better than the guy just behind him. MJ had to elevate his game AND make sure his team came with him. There have been many sports "superstars" over the years that that were not able to make that happen. Michael truly had the abilty to make everyone around him better. While his supporting cast was good...they were never as good without MJ as they were with him. Tiger is in a league of his own...but so was MJ. Tiger gets to pick and choose where and when...MJ had to do it day in day out for 8 months...including all the wear and tear on the body and mind. There is no comparison IMO. MJ
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited March 2008
    CAvolleyballguy wrote:
    basketball was stagnant too through the 70s until MJ showed up in the 80s.

    MJ did not revitalize the NBA. Larry Bird and Magic Johnson did that. MJ took it to a new level but the two I mentioned set the stage to let that happen. MJ would have never been MJ had it not been for those two because the NBA may not have survived.
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,726
    edited March 2008
    Was MJ the best basketball player ever?
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,164
    edited March 2008
    Well said Shack!!

    Don't get me wrong I think Tiger is one of the greatest athletes of his generation. I have great love for the game of golf even before Tiger was on the scene. Even more so now that Tiger is doing what he's doing.

    Golf has prospered because of Tiger in both public attention and sponsors and has maintained a high profile. But golf will end up like the NBA did when MJ left. There just aren't enough challengers to Tiger for golf to sustain this high profile after he's gone.

    IMO, the NBA has never recovered from the Jordan era. Sure it's a viable sport that continues to thrive but not at the same level as when Jordan was a part of it. When Tiger leaves golf the same thing will happen.

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  • Polk user
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    edited March 2008
    shack wrote: »
    The fact that MJ had a team elevates him IMO. Tiger has no one else to deal with but himself. All he has to do is play better than the guy just behind him. MJ had to elevate his game AND make sure his team came with him. There have been many sports "superstars" over the years that that were not able to make that happen. Michael truly had the abilty to make everyone around him better. While his supporting cast was good...they were never as good without MJ as they were with him. Tiger is in a league of his own...but so was MJ. Tiger gets to pick and choose where and when...MJ had to do it day in day out for 8 months...including all the wear and tear on the body and mind. There is no comparison IMO. MJ



    I have never seen such a completely wrong statement in my life (IMHO). From day 1 Tiger had to walk in to every locker room and know that everyone around him was white and he was black. The game of golf was 99% white both on the course and in the audience. The mental pressure alone would keep most African Americans from playing at his level. He has no supporting teammates to take up the slack when he needs a breather. Its all him all the time. EVERY shot counts on every hole. No one else can swing the club for him when hes tired. And lets not forget how he handles himself off the greens. I do believe MJ was running around behind his wifes back and whoring himself out while Tiger has yet to embarrass himself in that fashion. He has taken the game of golf to a different level and EVERY other golfer knows that they must also take their game to that level on game day.

    The comparison ain't even close. Tiger IS golf, both on and off the greens.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited March 2008
    Golf was around and popular and stable long before Tiger showed up. Tiger did not "save" golf a many would have you believe. It would have survived even if Tiger never existed. Tiger HAS elevated it to a new level that probably will not be sustained after he leaves the game. Many of the fans he has brought to the game are casual and will be gone. The money will not be the same when he leaves either. He is a phenomenon, who may be good for Pro Golf, but his long term impact on the sport as a whole has yet to determined.

    Tiger is NOT golf. That is the problem with the many of his supporters. They have no idea of how the game originated and think it only because of him that it exists. Tiger is one of many who have brought the game where it is today. Harry Vardon, Bobby Jones, Sam Sneed, Byron Nelson, Ben Hogan, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus, Tom Watson, etc, etc, etc.

    I was wondering when the black man in a white mans game would surface.
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited March 2008
    Polk user wrote: »
    I have never seen such a completely wrong statement in my life (IMHO). From day 1 Tiger had to walk in to every locker room and know that everyone around him was white and he was black. The game of golf was 99% white both on the course and in the audience. The mental pressure alone would keep most African Americans from playing at his level. He has no supporting teammates to take up the slack when he needs a breather. Its all him all the time. EVERY shot counts on every hole. No one else can swing the club for him when hes tired. And lets not forget how he handles himself off the greens. I do believe MJ was running around behind his wifes back and whoring himself out while Tiger has yet to embarrass himself in that fashion. He has taken the game of golf to a different level and EVERY other golfer knows that they must also take their game to that level on game day.

    The comparison ain't even close. Tiger IS golf, both on and off the greens.

    I agree with most of what you said, however I don't think that his skin color matters to anyone other than the race baiters who want it to matter to further their tired old agenda. Tiger has done everything in his power to never allow it to be an issue.

    As to the rest of your statement, Tiger being golf is an absolutely correct statement. History is wonderful and there were some amazing talents out there, but it's 2008, and every single golf manufacturer and the PGA wants to see guys like Tiger create an interest in the sport of Golf. Without Tiger Golf is just another sport on the level of soccer. You or your kids might love to play it yourself, but you're not going to watch it on TV religiously. Tiger creates that desire in people to want to watch him perform. He makes the sport exciting. It's too bad there aren't more golfers as dominant as he is that are around right now to compete against him.

    I can't believe we're even having the MJ argument still. He played on a team and he didn't achieve all of the accomplishments on his own. Individual achievements are always far and away more revered than team achievements. It's just the way it is.

    Home run record? It was the most coveted in all of sports.

    For MJ to be the best he ought to hold more than just the regular season scoring average for a career....Great player, awesome to watch. The best ever? Nope, not even a lock within his own sport.
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  • mule
    mule Posts: 282
    edited March 2008
    Tiger elevated his sport the same way Arnold did for bodybuilding, brought it to the masses.

    Now dominance, that goes to Ricky Carmichael. 2 undefeated seasons! 2! His will to win is unbelievable. Most riders can't make it through a season without a crash, injury or dnf but to have two full seasons without being beat is unbelievable.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Carmichael

    I am allways amazed by guys like this, Lance Armstrong, RC, Tiger, they proved more than once they were the best but never rest on their laurels and somehow stay motivated to train and sacrifice to be the best, EVER.

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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 18,994
    edited March 2008
    Nobody changed Nascar like Sr. did. Thought I'd throw that out there as well.

    If you don't know who Sr. is, look at the # in my username. If you still don't get it.....never mind.
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  • CAvolleyballguy
    CAvolleyballguy Posts: 156
    edited March 2008
    Demiurge wrote: »
    Nope, not even a lock within his own sport.

    have you been hitting the crack pipe again?

    I already said it... not only was he "the lock" in his sport, he is the definition of the best in any other sport.

    someone eluded to this a little but this is a little off topic, but for those of you that know...MJ is a scratch golfer as well. He plays religiously, and for big money in private cash games... he is a big time gambler, poker etc, but he wins a lot on the golf course.

    I guarantee you tiger couldn't play bball the way MJ plays golf. Best athlete period is MJ.

    ps. POLK USER said he was cheating or whatever... real simple... the day you are worth a hundred million, most famous athlete of your era, and an underwear model... with every woman you meet throwing themselves at you talk to me about being faithful... to have the ability to get it that easy...is something I doubt any man would refuse... and you can profess your love for the wifey, but until you walk in those shoes, I dont believe a word... look at the response that mediocre looking chick in the other thread got from the guys on here... give me a break... one word... HIPOCRIT..
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,726
    edited March 2008
    I'm glad CAVolleyballguy is not on my side...
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited March 2008
    On TSN tonight(Canada's ESPN)they asked "The Great One" Wayne Gretzky about Tiger Woods.He said the best athlete he had ever seen was MJ ,but Tiger has now taken it to a completely new level.
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