Burglary is a risky business....

wingnut4772

disneyjoe7 wrote: »

Well if I start my new "Business" do I need to be strung out on something. :eek:


May need to rethink this if this requires needles at all, anyone know me I don't like needles.

It helps if you're coked up and as far as 'carrying' don't worry about it. We'll just 'give' you a throwdown!

Sami

sucks2beme wrote: »

We're happy the two thugs are dead.

Didn't know them so I can't say. Stealing isn't enough to convince me I want them dead.

sucks2beme wrote: »

We hope the guy gets off.

Nope, I hope he gets what he deserves.

sucks2beme wrote: »

The guy could of handled it better. Telling 911 you're going out to shoot them
wasn't the smartest idea.

At least make enough noise so they turn around, so you can shoot them
from the front.

These last two I agree with.

shack

sucks2beme wrote:

A couple things we can all agree on :

We're happy the two thugs are dead.

We hope the guy gets off.

The guy could of handled it better. Telling 911 you're going out to shoot them
wasn't the smartest idea.

At least make enough noise so they turn around, so you can shoot them
from the front.

The only thing I agree with is the guy could have handled it better.

SKsolutions

I'm going to karma my drug addict-starter-kit to DisneyJ. No sharps!
Good luck on your new enterprise! Can you tailor kevlar?

disneyjoe7

Not sure if I should I be looking forward to such a thing

SKsolutions

Well **** someone take it, I hear sirens. .

shadowofnight

Absolute best book PERIOD if you own a gun in Calif ( They make other state by state versions...this one is Calif's..updated every year ) to make sure you know the most up to date laws when owning/transporting/shooting/and even capping perps...worth its weight in gold.

ohskigod

always good to know your self defense laws across the board in your state. this type of thing for gun owners seems near invaluable

dorokusai

That information is also available online.

disneyjoe7

There maybe a disclaimer in that book on keeping the lead out of anyone's body.

shadowofnight

disneyjoe7 wrote: »

There maybe a disclaimer in that book on keeping the lead out of anyone's body.

Nope, they discuss what would be considered a legal lethal self defense with a firearm..as well as what would not be considered a legal use of a firearm. Again , its particular to one years law in one particular state...which really makes it valuable.

I bought my first one back when the assault weapon bill passed and my next one when the .50BMG laws were added...those are tricky here in Calif and you have to know them to a T to stay legal and still have those types of weapons.

The sections on lethal force pertaining to self defense are really nice to know...but I still would rather be wrong law wise and still alive with a dead SOB on the ground.

disneyjoe7

Ok when you PM your Addy for me can you state when you're at work. I wouldn't like to run into you when your home and I'm not knocking at the front door to get in.

exalted512

ohskigod wrote: »

ding ding ding!

I believe this hapenned in Florida, correct me if I am wrong. Castle doctrine extends to any place you have a legal right to be. If the shooter went over there, and the robbers showed a hint of hostile intent (actually, I believe in FL, home invasion pretty much encompasses hostile threat) there is a bigger window of this guy getting off then some are giving credit too.

would I have handled it different? yeah. I for one want to see this guy get off as a deterrent to home invasion, since as I mentioned, consider a more heinous crime than most people do (whether occupant is home or not)

call me insensitive or whatever, but an aquital here will give home invaders (at least in the state where it hapenned) serious pause before breaking into a house when even the housesitter can plug your ****.

you gotta look at it this way, if the shooter and neighbor were very good friends, its like that house is almost an extension of his, forget about the fact its right nest to his house in the first place. people doing very bad **** near your house can skew your sense of moral judgement.

best way to avoid this, DONT BREAK INTO PEOPLE's HOUSES!!!!!!

how about this....your looking next store, see someone coming out of the house next store with stuff, after they disappear, are you absolutely sure there gone? wanna talk about a sleepless night?

and if the cops come, lets say the robbers get desperate and come into your house.....NOT GOOD.

the shooter took action responding to what her perceived is a threat. he's gonna need an attorney that can build a case in court that he felt threatened. Bad **** happening near your house leaves a window for that argument. Like I said, I wasn't there, so I am holding off judgment. that said, if he is acquitted, oh well :rolleyes:

everyone assumes these guys breaking in were just interested in stuff, not hurting people. granted, it seems about 85% possible of that being the case, but are you going to take a chance with your life...or a loved one's with the other 15?

omg!!!!! Are you a mind reader? Exactly my feelings.


HERES A HINT, DONT BREAK INTO SOMEONES HOUSE AND YOU WONT GET SHOT.

And for the ones saying to go outside and try to contain them, go right ahead and tell them to stop and turn around, not knowing if they have a gun in their hand. You might get one, but chances are you wont be faster than the other.
-Cody

shack

Stay in your house, call the police, let them do their job...DON'T GO RAMBO like this guy. This is exactly the type of situation that gets more and more gun laws passed. If he wants to protect someone else's house and kill the bad guys...pass the test and join the police force. He is no hero.

Airplay355

So if killing them for robbing a house is ok, should we just stick any robber that gets caught in the electric chair? Robbing a house is definitely not acceptable, but the old guy going out there with a shotgun with the intention of killing someone isn't either. He didn't need to get involved and he didn't need to kill them. I just don't think killing is a justified reaction to a robbery where no ones life was in danger.

Think about if it was your kid, doing something stupid because kids do stupid things sometimes. Would it be ok for him to go out there and blow away your kid? Don't respond with something like "my kid would never do that" blah blah, it's hypothetical just think about it.

The fake race issue brought up by Quannel X or whoever he is ridiculous. He's the equivalent of an ambulance chaser, looking for any situation he can exploit and turn into racism. I'm pretty sure I read he was trying to get the government to give money to families who's ancestors were slaves. Geeze...

Demiurge

exalted512 wrote: »

HERES A HINT, DONT BREAK INTO SOMEONES HOUSE AND YOU WONT GET SHOT.

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So....lets extend this line of thinking. Is it a good idea to walk the streets at night killing burglars in your city? I mean, one could argue they're your neighbors, right? :rolleyes:

This isn't even an argument. The guy was wrong and this has nothing to do with gun rights or anything else. I doubt there's a bigger gun enthusiast on the forum than myself save for possibly I-SIG and Steveinaz.

The idea is to avoid trouble, not look for it. If the guy shoots at these guys and they get away he's a hunted man. It's best to let LEOs deal with it unless a direct threat is upon you or your family.

The answer to detering crime is stiffer penalties, which is where we need to start......not with rampant vigilantism.

Demiurge

Airplay355 wrote: »

So if killing them for robbing a house is ok, should we just stick any robber that gets caught in the electric chair? Robbing a house is definitely not acceptable, but the old guy going out there with a shotgun with the intention of killing someone isn't either. He didn't need to get involved and he didn't need to kill them. I just don't think killing is a justified reaction to a robbery where no ones life was in danger.

Think about if it was your kid, doing something stupid because kids do stupid things sometimes. Would it be ok for him to go out there and blow away your kid? Don't respond with something like "my kid would never do that" blah blah, it's hypothetical just think about it.

I think I knew what you meant, but I will argue the other side on this. If this was your house with your family inside I do think death is an acceptable outcome for a person burglarizing you. Why? Simple, you have no idea what they're thinking or planning to do to you.

The people that burglarized Sean Taylor's house had no intention of killing him, but he was home and they had guns just in case and they killed him.

What I don't support is leaving your private property to go play police man, and that is why this guy is dead wrong.

disneyjoe7

Gun control is to use both hands.

ohskigod

Airplay355 wrote: »

I just don't think killing is a justified reaction to a robbery where no ones life was in danger.

a valid point.....but

if you weren't there, how do you know his life wasn't in danger, even if he stayed in the house. in that type of dynamic situation, you don't know.

I see a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking here

this guy saw a breaking and entering happening a short rock's throw away from his house (stifling Demi's walk around the neighborhood argument ) He might have genuinely thought he was in danger, and that he was next. we can say we knew what he was thinking, or that he was not in danger from the relative safety of your computer desk and keyboard, but none of us know what he was faced with, and what he was truly thinking.

faced with unknowns, i throw the benefit of the doubt to the guy who woke up in the morning without a preconceived idea of breaking the law and invade someone's home.

our opinions aren't going to mater in the courtroom, the prosecution will have to prove that the shooters intention was just to stone cold kill, with no feeling of threat or danger. thats going to be harder than some of you think given the circumstances

Airplay355

Demi I said when no ones life was in danger. He knew no one was home.

I agree, I'm definitely Monday night quaterbacking.

But how can you argue he felt threatened if he went out there, shot them and said "Boom, you're dead".

Listen to the 911 conversation, it's quite clear he was not threatened, he felt "it wasn't right" and the police were taking too long so he needed to do something about it.

If he thought he was next, he should have waited until they were coming towards his house. There was no threat to him, until he went outside I suppose. Either way, he went out there with a shotgun with the clear intention of killing someone. Someone who feels threatened doesn't go hunting.

exalted512

Airplay355 wrote: »

So if killing them for robbing a house is ok, should we just stick any robber that gets caught in the electric chair? Robbing a house is definitely not acceptable, but the old guy going out there with a shotgun with the intention of killing someone isn't either. He didn't need to get involved and he didn't need to kill them. I just don't think killing is a justified reaction to a robbery where no ones life was in danger.

Wont hurt my feelings one bit if someone who robbed a house got the electric chair. Now I understand that kids are more susceptible to be influenced by others to do this, so lets make it the chair if youre 21 or over unless you have a damn good reason, what that reason might be would be up to the jury.

This would help cure over crowding of prisons, less pollution as they guys wont be driving, less trash to put in land fills, more than likely lower taxes because we wont be paying for as many prisoners, lower home insurance rates, feel more comfortable about being in your home and not worrying about potential burglars, I could go on.

By my theory, if my son was 21 and got caught burglarizing a house, off him, plain and simple.
-Cody

exalted512

Demiurge wrote: »

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So....lets extend this line of thinking. Is it a good idea to walk the streets at night killing burglars in your city? I mean, one could argue they're your neighbors, right? :rolleyes:

This isn't even an argument. The guy was wrong and this has nothing to do with gun rights or anything else. I doubt there's a bigger gun enthusiast on the forum than myself save for possibly I-SIG and Steveinaz.

The idea is to avoid trouble, not look for it. If the guy shoots at these guys and they get away he's a hunted man. It's best to let LEOs deal with it unless a direct threat is upon you or your family.

The answer to detering crime is stiffer penalties, which is where we need to start......not with rampant vigilantism.

Walking down the streets shooting burglars, if it were that easy, more would be caught. The fact of the matter is he never left his yard, youre comparing apples to oranges.

Would I have gone about this differently? Hell yes, I never wouldve gone outside. Do I see wrong in shooting them? No, and like I've said before, I'd sure hope my neighbor would do the same.

And again, I will state that Texas law, as of Sept. 1st, 2007, states that with consent, your neighbor can use deadly force to stop a burglary, even if they werent in immediate or direct danger.
-Cody

Airplay355

So if they will turn 21 in 3 months, then no chair?

If your son (over 21) robbed a house to get money for drugs because of a severe drug addiction you'd agree with killing him instead of a punishment which involved helping him overcome a physical addiction?

exalted512

21 in 3 months, no chair.

And yes. I'm not one to **** either. I had some very close relatives of mine get hooked on drugs, people that were like brothers to me, 2 are dead now, and I firmly believe they got what they deserved. Maybe that makes me a bad person, but I'm a firm believer in Darwinism.
-Cody

Demiurge

exalted512 wrote: »

And again, I will state that Texas law, as of Sept. 1st, 2007, states that with consent, your neighbor can use deadly force to stop a burglary, even if they werent in immediate or direct danger.
-Cody

Cite the law please.

exalted512

Its Texas Senate Bill 378, I couldnt find the full text online again.
-Cody

ND13

exalted512 wrote: »

21 in 3 months, no chair.

And yes. I'm not one to **** either. I had some very close relatives of mine get hooked on drugs, people that were like brothers to me, 2 are dead now, and I firmly believe they got what they deserved. Maybe that makes me a bad person, but I'm a firm believer in Darwinism.
-Cody

:rolleyes:

MSALLA

I belive the big issue being delt with is the fact that his naighbors left the house in his care making him responsable for the house. If someone breaks into my house I'm shooting if they come inside. But I think this guy is going to do some time. I don't feel sorry for the robbers but you can't kill someone they is no thret to you or others. There is also talk on the news that on of the robbers got it in the back.

disneyjoe7

MSALLA wrote: »

I don't feel sorry for the robbers but you can't kill someone they is no thret to you or others.

Thinking like this needs to change because this is what the burglars feel also. If the thinking was this guy who shot them in the act is a hero, the Feds should cut him a check in saving all of us green $, we would have less of this BS.

I beginning to feel I work for it, just to store it safely for them one day. NICE.

george daniel

disneyjoe7 wrote: »

Gun control is to use both hands.

+1 ,,,oh yeah..keep both eyes open.