Burglary is a risky business....

ohskigod

I dont know guys, thi one can go either way. remember, none of us were there, so it's hard to make a definitive judgement. The burglars made the conscious decision to invade the sactity of another man's home, while the shooter made the desicion to defend it (even if it was a neighbors home, have your neighbors house get broken into and see how safe you feel given how close it was)

I'll say the shooter might very well have dropped the ball legally in terms of application, but I wont morally fault the guy. I think home invasion is a terible crime, and those who choose to partake in it deserve whatever they get. turned to swiss cheese by a shotgun wielding neighbor with an itchy trigger finger? oh well, I ain't losing sleep.

when someone feels the sactity of there home, or neighborhood is in peril, it can make people do crazy ****, and this guy falls into that category. Also, none of us know what hapenned when they were face to face, so lets just let the justice system handle it.

ND13

"Don't go outside the house," the 911 operator pleaded. "You're going to get yourself shot if you go outside that house with a gun. I don't care what you think."

"You want to make a bet?" Horn answered. "I'm going to kill them."

If this is the actual 911 call, he's toast.

ohskigod

In a non castle doctrine state, you'd be right, but this is going to be the first real test of the castle doctrine, which I believe is in effect in that state.

this is a case I'm going to follow with interest

Demiurge

ND13 wrote: »

If this is the actual 911 call, he's toast.

Yep, it is. Unfortunately I don't know where to get the audio of it. I heard it on the radio on Friday morning on a local station that talked about it. The quote I posted is from a Fox News article.

Demiurge

ohskigod wrote: »

when someone feels the sactity of there home, or neighborhood is in peril, it can make people do crazy ****, and this guy falls into that category. Also, none of us know what hapenned when they were face to face, so lets just let the justice system handle it.

Nobody is advocating the justice system not handle it on their own, which they will do. This discussion will hopefully prevent any other Jason Bourne wannabes from thinking these situations are cool and that they want to take a bad guy out as soon as they get the opportunity. It is **** like this that gives responsible gun owners a bad name.

As far as being there...what does that have to do with anything? The guy was in his house. There's no gray area here. The perps had NO idea he was there until he decided to leave his house and take the law into his own hands after a 911 dispatcher told him to stay put.

He left his house with the intent to kill these men and they have it on tape. There's no doubt of his motives and he'll pay for it.

I have actually been in a similar situation. I was in my Condo a 5 years ago and saw my neighbors place get robbed. Scary as hell, but I had the lights off and was just watching TV with my girlfriend. I called the cops and tipped them off and then they did their thing. Turns out it was an inside job -- they had their place robbed and tried to cover up the tracks and commit insurance fraud.

ND13

ohskigod wrote: »

In a non castle doctrine state, you'd be right, but this is going to be the first real test of the castle doctrine, which I believe is in effect in that state.

this is a case I'm going to follow with interest

But it wasn't his castle, Lou. Sounds as if he really just wanted to shoot at live targets.

disneyjoe7

I think it's a sad day when a thief can rob someone or something and not worry about this maybe the last F^cking time I may ever do this again.

To me that was needs to be in the mind of a low life as shooting one dead should be a case for a medal, and not a discussion on who and why he shouldn't have done it.

In fact if an illegal immigrant the Federal Government should send a bonus check of at least 5k, just for the savings to all of us.

BaggedLancer

Interesting, would the law be any different for him if who he shot were illegal immigrants?

disneyjoe7

Can everyone PM your address please, I'm planning a road trip so to speak.


I changing my career. I now Steal from houses while you work. Real nice I set my own hours can be home when I want, I'm my own boss.

I like the feeling in this country so most likely I would be not shoot and if I did one or two things would happen.

One wounded I sue you now it's mine legally or

Two I get shoot dead not bad gone quick fairly painless.

I have all the time to tan up some.. So I can change my name for my new doctor office just any emergency room in America, no insurance paperwork or bill ever.



Not bad when you think about it, good by rat race....

See you all real soon

disneyjoe7

Hmmm

Is it best to work West then North to go East. Or North to go West then South. Just planing my road trip.

sucks2beme

disneyjoe7 wrote: »

Can everyone PM your address please, I'm planning a road trip so to speak.


I changing my career. I now Steal from houses while you work. Real nice I set my own hours can be home when I want, I'm my own boss.


See you all real soon

Sure. But I do home office, so that would make it a bit interesting.

The issue isn't shooting the ****, but when. The rules are clear
on when they're in the house.
Polkies need to know when to shoot and when not to. I'm damn glad he shot them, and also damn glad it wasn't me doing the shooting.
He did it all in such a way as to make it real hard to look the other way.
I live in Texas, and if there's anywhere in the U.S. he gets a break it will be here. I wish he hadn't of talked as much with 911. IF your gonna do it, just do it.

Systems

disneyjoe7 wrote: »

I think it's a sad day when a thief can rob someone or something and not worry about this maybe the last F^cking time I may ever do this again.

To me that was needs to be in the mind of a low life as shooting one dead should be a case for a medal, and not a discussion on who and why he shouldn't have done it.

I don’t think a single person posting here doesn’t think a home robber should get what’s coming to him but I for one don’t think its death and I’m absolutely sure any home robber has it in the back of his mind that the coppers can show up any time and blaze them down for it. Most home invasion (and crime in general) is committed for the acquisition of fast cash to swap for drugs. Throw them in jail a few years get them off the drugs and they may come back out of it as good tax paying people.

We can save the death sentences for child molesters and 1st degree premeditated murderers.

wingnut4772

obieone

Will somenoe please explain to me, how 2 indivduals, that are here ILLEGALLY, are protected under OUR LAWS?

disneyjoe7

obieone wrote: »

Will somenoe please explain to me, how 2 indivduals, that are here ILLEGALLY, are protected under OUR LAWS?

May even have more rights dead then the American citizen who shoot them. Who in my mind called 911 to get the police involved which was taking to long to respond to, due to the fact there most likely not enough police to get the job done. So what is a home owner to do?



How that's right ... I forgot I rob houses now Love it.

wingnut4772

disneyjoe7 wrote: »

May even have more rights dead then the American citizen who shoot them. Who in my mind called 911 to get the police involved which was taking to long to respond to, due to the fact there most likely not enough police to get the job done. So what is a home owner to do?



How that's right ... I forgot I rob houses now Love it.

You burglarize houses. You have to get it correct if that is to be your new profession.

Sami

obieone wrote: »

Will somenoe please explain to me, how 2 indivduals, that are here ILLEGALLY, are protected under OUR LAWS?

If you have to ask a question that stupid I'm afraid no explanation in the world is going to make you understand.

disneyjoe7

wingnut4772 wrote: »

You burglarize houses. You have to get it correct if that is to be your new profession.

If I speak like an ID10T to the judge when I get time off with meals it maybe less time off, to get back to my profession. :rolleyes:

disneyjoe7

I know this county the rules of shooting so my new business would work here nicely. But I wonder if I expanded on this area of work and say traveled into say Canada or Mexico would they view my new business with open arms, as much as this county?

ohskigod

exalted512 wrote: »

If the neighbors gave him consent, hes still within his rights, even if no immediate threat was posed to him.
-Cody

ding ding ding!

I believe this hapenned in Florida, correct me if I am wrong. Castle doctrine extends to any place you have a legal right to be. If the shooter went over there, and the robbers showed a hint of hostile intent (actually, I believe in FL, home invasion pretty much encompasses hostile threat) there is a bigger window of this guy getting off then some are giving credit too.

would I have handled it different? yeah. I for one want to see this guy get off as a deterrent to home invasion, since as I mentioned, consider a more heinous crime than most people do (whether occupant is home or not)

call me insensitive or whatever, but an aquital here will give home invaders (at least in the state where it hapenned) serious pause before breaking into a house when even the housesitter can plug your ****.

you gotta look at it this way, if the shooter and neighbor were very good friends, its like that house is almost an extension of his, forget about the fact its right nest to his house in the first place. people doing very bad **** near your house can skew your sense of moral judgement.

best way to avoid this, DONT BREAK INTO PEOPLE's HOUSES!!!!!!

how about this....your looking next store, see someone coming out of the house next store with stuff, after they disappear, are you absolutely sure there gone? wanna talk about a sleepless night?

and if the cops come, lets say the robbers get desperate and come into your house.....NOT GOOD.

the shooter took action responding to what her perceived is a threat. he's gonna need an attorney that can build a case in court that he felt threatened. Bad **** happening near your house leaves a window for that argument. Like I said, I wasn't there, so I am holding off judgment. that said, if he is acquitted, oh well :rolleyes:

everyone assumes these guys breaking in were just interested in stuff, not hurting people. granted, it seems about 85% possible of that being the case, but are you going to take a chance with your life...or a loved one's with the other 15?

ohskigod

Silverti wrote: »

Most home invasion (and crime in general) is committed for the acquisition of fast cash to swap for drugs. Throw them in jail a few years get them off the drugs and they may come back out of it as good tax paying people.

Dude, you don't live in the real world. Dont get me wrong, it must be a great world you live in, but it just aint real.

disneyjoe7

Is anyone going to answer my very serious life threatening questions here. Would it be best to carry or not? I'm thinking not, that way if I'm shoot in my "Line of Duty" they can't state we're in a gun fight.

SKsolutions

Silverti wrote: »

Most home invasion (and crime in general) is committed for the acquisition of fast cash to swap for drugs. Throw them in jail a few years get them off the drugs and they may come back out of it as good tax paying people.

The first part may be more often then not, correct, the second . . not so much. Prison is a big business, and it's not in the business of fixing people. After release, the convict has been fully trained in how to be a criminal, and has lost any compassion for anybody but himself. It's graduate school for f'ups, that creates a worse animal.

Systems

ohskigod wrote: »

Dude, you don't live in the real world. Dont get me wrong, it must be a great world you live in, but it just aint real.

Then people break into homes for? Don’t counter the argument with a personal assault, keep it real... refuting that comment by telling me I don’t live in the real world doesn’t hack it. Post up you’re references.

Every study I have ever seen relates drug use specifically with most crime and the current meth crisis across the country has been increasing the problem lately as drug user seek their next fix.

We are in a nasty meth area and mini-store robberies are going nuts around here. Why do you think a guy takes a gun into a 7-11 and robs it of $50? Really, we can analyze that, lets think of a few things:

1) He just needs some extra cash to buy an Xbox?
2) He needs cash to pay off his mortgage?
3) He’s just a bad guy who likes to do it?
4) He was actually just going for that box of Cigs?
5) He considers it his 9-5 job and does it all day long.
6) His buddies "double dog dared" him to do it?
7) He’s strung out looking for another $50 to get his next hit of meth?

hmmm....


Oh, and heres what the department of justice says about it:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/dcf/duc.htm

ohskigod

certainly wasn't a "personal assault", please try not to be so sensitive.

I wasnt referencing the reason for home invasion persay, so there's really nothing for me to reference in that regard just your notion that a couple years of jail and "get them off drugs" being such an easy task.

You can live in a "nasty meth area" all you like. you really have to stare face to face with what drugs can do to a person and what it can make that person do (for reasons far more reaching than just getting drug money)to understand my point, and it is a point, not a personal assault. If you want to regard it that way, thats fine, I would just politly ask you not refer it to a moderator as such.

disneyjoe7

Well if I start my new "Business" do I need to be strung out on something. :eek:


May need to rethink this if this requires needles at all, anyone know me I don't like needles.

ohskigod

Don't worry bud, its not like people don't do crime just for the money sometimes

disneyjoe7

Ok but did you PM your address yet

Sami

disneyjoe7 wrote: »

Ok but did you PM your address yet

You didn't save my address did you? Even if you did, remember it's Texas. I can shoot you if you even look at me funny...

sucks2beme

ohskigod wrote: »

ding ding ding!
would I have handled it different? yeah. I for one want to see this guy get off as a deterrent to home invasion, since as I mentioned, consider a more heinous crime than most people do (whether occupant is home or not)
call me insensitive or whatever, but an aquital here will give home invaders (at least in the state where it hapenned) serious pause before breaking into a house when even the housesitter can plug your ****.

A couple things we can all agree on :

We're happy the two thugs are dead.

We hope the guy gets off.

The guy could of handled it better. Telling 911 you're going out to shoot them
wasn't the smartest idea.

At least make enough noise so they turn around, so you can shoot them
from the front.