Burglary is a risky business....

exalted512

http://www.khou.com/video/?nvid=193240

Accompanying article:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/5301872.html
-Cody

audiobliss

Wow. Just. Wow.

I guess life can change just like THAT *snaps fingers*.

exalted512

Moral of the story, dont rob houses.
-Cody

John in MA

I'd say a second moral would be don't shoot folks in defense of property, especially someone else's property, in states that don't allow that sort of thing.

audiobliss

I didn't get that from the video...though I did kinda 'zone out' a few times...:p...was that illegal?

PolkThug

Pwn3d

shadowofnight

They wont be robbing anybody anymore ... I was just surprised they were black.....

exalted512

John in MA wrote: »

I'd say a second moral would be don't shoot folks in defense of property, especially someone else's property, in states that don't allow that sort of thing.

He said they were on his property when he shot one of them, in Texas as of a couple months ago, perfectly legal.

If the neighbors say they gave him permission to use force to protect their property, legally, hes not held accountable.
-Cody

John in MA

Sorry, I saw Pasadena and thought of Kali.

BaggedLancer

Having had my car robbed twice on my own property and my garage door attempted to be broken down to gain entry while I was home I can tell you this man felt like he was being violated even though it wasn't even his property.

Unfortunately very few states allow the protection of personal property by lethal force and Massachusetts never will. I hope they prove the guy was defending himself and property and he walks.

dorokusai

If I did that in Maryland, I'd be in jail for a long time.

phuz

I love Texas.

Reminds me of this story:

ARLINGTON, Texas — Darrell Roberson came home from a card game late one night to find his wife rolling around with another man in a pickup truck in the driveway. Caught in the act with her lover, Tracy Denise Roberson — thinking quickly, if not clearly — cried rape, authorities say. Her husband pulled a gun and killed the other man with a shot to the head. On Thursday, a grand jury handed up a manslaughter indictment — against the wife, not the husband.

In a case likely to reinforce the state's reputation for don't-mess-with-Texas justice, the grand jury declined to charge the husband with murder, the charge on which he was arrested by police. "If I found somebody with my wife or with my kids in my house, there's no telling what I might do," said Juan Muniz, 33, who was having lunch today with one of his two small children at a restaurant in the middle-class suburban Dallas neighborhood where the Robersons lived. "I probably would have done the same thing."

Tracy Roberson, 35, could get two to 20 years in prison in the slaying of Devin LaSalle, a 32-year-old UPS employee. Assistant District Attorney Sean Colston declined to comment on specifics of the case or the grand jury proceedings but said Texas law allows a defendant to claim justification if he has "a reasonable belief that his actions are necessary, even though what they believe at the time turns out not to be true."

Mark Osler, a Baylor University law school professor and a former federal prosecutor, said the grand jurors evidently put themselves in the husband's place: "I can see one of them saying, 'I would have shot the guy, too. I was just protecting my wife.'" The December night before the shooting, Tracy Roberson sent LaSalle a text message that read in part, "Hi friend, come see me please! I need to feel your warm embrace!" according to court papers. LaSalle apparently agreed.

Darrell Roberson, a 38-year-old employee of a real estate firm, discovered the two, his wife clad in a robe and underwear. When Tracy Roberson cried that she was being raped, LaSalle tried to drive away and her husband drew the gun he happened to be carrying and fired several shots at the truck, authorities said. Darrell Roberson's attorney did not immediately return a call for comment.

His wife also was charged with making a false report to a police officer — for allegedly saying she was raped — and could get up to six months behind bars on that offense. It was not immediately clear whether she had a lawyer. She had not been arrested as of this afternoon.

wingnut4772

There is no way he will get away with that. I will be shocked if he does.

beardog03

God I love Texas !

Ya git t carry guns, and friggin use em...!!!!

exalted512

wingnut4772 wrote: »

There is no way he will get away with that. I will be shocked if he does.

Im pretty sure he will. Texas is like a whole other country, if he gets prosecuted, that entire town will be in an outrage, as well as a lot of other people in Texas. And if they were found to be on his property at one point or the other, then he def. will not be prosecuted. Probably helps that hes an older gentlemen as well.

Besides the fact that I hope it sets an example for all thieves.
-Cody

m00npie

dorokusai wrote: »

If I did that in Maryland, I'd be in jail for a long time.

If I even thought of doing it in NY, the Minority report police would come and take me away.

BaggedLancer

Im suprised Texas is still a part of the United States.

phuz

wingnut4772 wrote: »

There is no way he will get away with that. I will be shocked if he does.

He will probably beat all criminal charges, or get a slap on the wrist.

Civil charges, that's a different story.

BaggedLancer

If anyone in Texas comes across an update on this please post it. Thanks

McLoki

BaggedLancer wrote: »

Im suprised Texas is still a part of the United States.

Surprised they still claim us??

phuz

Other info from another local channel. Different perspectives as well.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=local&id=5766452

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=local&id=5766455

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=local&id=5761173

shadowofnight

Just make sure that the FIRST arriving officers know your life was threatened and a move made to secure that threat....a verbal threat to kill and a move in your direction is enough even in my law challenged state of CA. They dont have to have a gun or knife... " I am going to grab that HOE ( ) right there and cut your head off " Is a perfectly legitiment threat to use lethal force...and most guys have hoes around the house.

It's between you and god if that threat was really ever made....just dont do 2 things.....never plant evidence anymore...the day of the throw down weapon is long past with forensics as good as they are now...you will get busted. Two, do NOT shoot them in the back UNLESS they threatened a family member and are moving in their direction ( As in up the stairs towards your sleeping childrens rooms ) . A lot of my family are in law enforcement ( I wanted too as well...hate paperwork...so I didnt ) and also living in Calif and a gun owner I took classes on this to know my rights when faced with this situation.

I have had to use a firearm 3 times in my lifetime on other persons.....all 3 times I did not have to actually pull the trigger...all 3 times were outdoors...all 3 times the officers told me I would have been justified in using the firearm...all 3 were armed ( The funniest was in 1985 I caught 3 guys stealing my BRAND new motorcycle...the 2 in the vehicle peeled out leaving one guy with a huge screwdriver in the ignition with a large visegrips clamped onto it ....told him to get his **** on the ground..he did .....my buddy pulls up...army sargent no less..tells me to have him stand up and we can both swear he was coming at us with the huge screwdriver and that I should kill him then...he physically peed his pants while in the prone position. I, being dead serious told him to yell at his wife to call the police ( Its 1985...not many cell phones around ) ...that was the funny part...I remember her yelling on the phone " The big guy in the red shirt with the gun is the good guy...dont shoot him "

The cops arrived...asked me to put down the weapon...one secured the guy...other looked at the bike...said it had been " Popped " ? They were 2 motorcycle cops...the guy had 3 phoney id's on him...later found out he was on parole for M/C theft. One cop joked that he would have killed him if it had been his bike...and they told the guy they should throw him in the trunk cause he smelled like piss. I became good friends with one of the officers. With the description of the vehicle they got the other 2 guys as well.

Now, one step towards me with the screwdriver....dead guy....IF he would have been smart...he would have turned and run...I would NOT have shot at him and he would have made a clean getaway.

steveinaz

He'll do time for that HUGE mistake.
1. They were unarmed.
2. He confronted them, they didn't confront him.
3. He would have never been in any immediate danger had he remained in his house.

People like this make responsible gun owners look like morons. Most states that have a "castle doctrine" (your right to protect your home with lethal force) still require that you never fire on anyone attempting to flee the scene, that they are armed, and that they had actually entered your home. You will have to prove that you feared for your life, and present evidence that supports this.

As for the goons---too bad so sad, being a criminal is risky business. As for the "cowboy," this shooting was clearly unjustified.

hypertone

How ironic. He ended up committing a more serious crime than the robbers. I can understand why he would be pissed and want to shoot those guys, but what he did is just idiotic.

SKsolutions

Like Michael Douglas in Falling Down, he had had enough.

brettw22

SKsolutions wrote: »

Like Michael Douglas in Falling Down, he had had enough.

Wow........what a stupid movie......<<shudders>>

exalted512

steveinaz wrote: »

He'll do time for that HUGE mistake.
1. They were unarmed.
2. He confronted them, they didn't confront him.
3. He would have never been in any immediate danger had he remained in his house.

People like this make responsible gun owners look like morons. Most states that have a "castle doctrine" (your right to protect your home with lethal force) still require that you never fire on anyone attempting to flee the scene, that they are armed, and that they had actually entered your home. You will have to prove that you feared for your life, and present evidence that supports this.

As for the goons---too bad so sad, being a criminal is risky business. As for the "cowboy," this shooting was clearly unjustified.

In Texas, as of a couple months ago, you can shoot them if theyre on your property, trying to gain access to your car, or in youre business, its fair game.
-Cody

mrbigbluelight

No property is worth killing over. I'll agree with that.

But the right to feel absolutely secure in your home and surroundings is worth defending to the extreme.

The two burglars died ?
That's regrettable, on their part. It's regrettable that they chose to burglarize a person's home.

That they lost their lives in the process is too bad, but that choice was made by them.

SKsolutions

brettw22 wrote: »

Wow........what a stupid movie......<<shudders>>

There wasn't any Donnie and Marie on, and my fourth wife likes it.

BaggedLancer

mrbigbluelight wrote: »

No property is worth killing over. I'll agree with that.

But the right to feel absolutely secure in your home and surroundings is worth defending to the extreme.

The two burglars died ?
That's regrettable, on their part. It's regrettable that they chose to burglarize a person's home.

That they lost their lives in the process is too bad, but that choice was made by them.

Agreed x100

brettw22

SKsolutions wrote: »

There wasn't any Donnie and Marie on, and my fourth wife likes it.

I think you can catch them a lot on Dancing with the Stars..........and I don't have the "wife" problem........lucky me.......:D